Venous blood too red

[Guest guest]

Everyone,

Seaton (who's on this list) reported today on the research list

that his doctor observed that blood taken from his antecubital vein

(inside the elbow) was " too red. " (He gave me permission to discuss

this on other lists.) I would like to know if any of you on this list

have had a similar observation. I'm interested because I think it

fits in with Dr. Cheney's alkaline blood theory. The idea would be

that the lowered production of carbon dioxide because of the partial

blockades in the intermediary metabolism would cause the pH of the

blood to become more alkaline than normal. This would cause the

hemoglobin saturation curve to shift according to the Bohr effect, so

that the hemoglobin hangs on the oxygen more tightly. As a result of

the lowered metabolic rate, which presents a lowered oxygen demand,

and the tighter binding of the hemoglobin for oxygen because of the

alkaline pH, the venous blood would end up having a higher oxygen

content. This would produce a redder color of venous blood in PWCs.

I'm wondering if this holds true in others, and if it would be useful

diagnostically.

Rich

[Guest guest]

Rich - I don't know if you know about the Buteyko breathing technique, but

this technique is relevant to your words...

a) it works for me and many people to alleviate allergies including asthma

nasal blockage etc and also reduces general cfs symptoms, and

is predicated afaiu on increasing partial pressure/concentration of

blood CO2, thus reversing the Bohr effect you mention.

The technique teacher I had suggested that blood ph was a key factor in

allergies (maybe through Th2 predominance?) and was strongly associated

with cfs symptoms.

I found the technique which basically increases the blood CO2 concentration

to be very powerful but short lived in its effects, but then again I do not

use it regularly - only for acute situations. It requires a bit of

discipline which I often lack.

re red colour - I don't know what other people's blood looks like, mine

taken for samples looks " dark-ish red " whatever that means to you.

n

At 10:02 12/04/01, Rich wrote:

> Seaton (who's on this list) reported today on the research list

>that his doctor observed that blood taken from his antecubital vein

>(inside the elbow) was " too red. " (He gave me permission to discuss

>this on other lists.) I would like to know if any of you on this list

>have had a similar observation. I'm interested because I think it

>fits in with Dr. Cheney's alkaline blood theory. The idea would be

>that the lowered production of carbon dioxide because of the partial

>blockades in the intermediary metabolism would cause the pH of the

>blood to become more alkaline than normal. This would cause the

>hemoglobin saturation curve to shift according to the Bohr effect, so

>that the hemoglobin hangs on the oxygen more tightly. As a result of

>the lowered metabolic rate, which presents a lowered oxygen demand,

>and the tighter binding of the hemoglobin for oxygen because of the

>alkaline pH, the venous blood would end up having a higher oxygen

>content. This would produce a redder color of venous blood in PWCs.

>I'm wondering if this holds true in others, and if it would be useful

>diagnostically.

[Guest guest]

n,

Thanks for the comments. If your venous blood is " darkish red, " I suspect that

the oxygen level in it is more or less normal.

That would be consistent with the breathing technique giving only a short-lived

benefit. I suspect that people who have " bright red " blood may benefit for a

longer time from the breathing technique, because they probably have more oxygen

in their venous hemoglobin, and they may have more alkaline venous blood. This

is all pretty speculative and nonquantitative at this point, but I think there

may be some value in it.

Rich

> > Seaton (who's on this list) reported today on the research list

> >that his doctor observed that blood taken from his antecubital vein

> >(inside the elbow) was " too red. " (He gave me permission to discuss

> >this on other lists.) I would like to know if any of you on this list

> >have had a similar observation. I'm interested because I think it

> >fits in with Dr. Cheney's alkaline blood theory. The idea would be

> >that the lowered production of carbon dioxide because of the partial

> >blockades in the intermediary metabolism would cause the pH of the

> >blood to become more alkaline than normal. This would cause the

> >hemoglobin saturation curve to shift according to the Bohr effect, so

> >that the hemoglobin hangs on the oxygen more tightly. As a result of

> >the lowered metabolic rate, which presents a lowered oxygen demand,

> >and the tighter binding of the hemoglobin for oxygen because of the

> >alkaline pH, the venous blood would end up having a higher oxygen

> >content. This would produce a redder color of venous blood in PWCs.

> >I'm wondering if this holds true in others, and if it would be useful

> >diagnostically.