Re: Vegetable Juicing--A Substitute for Supplements?

[Guest guest]

> Hi all--still trying to figure out how to detox.

>

> I want to go off all supplements for awhile to give my

> body, especially my liver, a rest.

>

> Does anyone think that raw vegetable juice (with or

> without the pulp) would be an acceptable substitute

> for supplemental vitmins, minerals, enzymes, and

> antioxidants?

>

> Short term? Yes or no

> Long term? Yes or no

>

> Thanks,

> Hope

Yes, yes, yes for short term especially. I started a juice fast about

two years ago, and that is when my recovery really started after six

years of CFS. I haven't had a major relapse in one year and they are

getting farther between. When I do have one, it is milder.

My thoughts are that there has to be some really bad stuff in the

large and small intestines for PWCs to feel really bad. Like

fibrogen builds up in blood vessels, food can stay in your intestines

for years. Yes, it is gross, but it is the truth. A juice fast

allows your digestive system to purge almost everything, while at the

same time getting most of the nutrition you need.

Furthermore, I believe that whatever virus or bacterial or mycoplasma

infection that causes CFS, your body will try to overcome the pathogen

on it's own without large doses of vit C, magnesium, CoQ 10 etc. etc.

However, you can't just keep eating the same foods that allowed your

immune system to weaken to the point where the CFS pathogen was able

to make you sick. The juice fast at least will give you the peace of

mind to know that you are letting your body try to heal itself without

adding drugs and supplements that may or may not be helping. Just the

elimination of refined sugar may be enough to boost your immune

system to the point where you feel better.

My suggestion is to do the juice fast and then *slowly* add back in

some supplements like vit C, whey or whatever you think works. You

may also lose some weight on the fast if that is a problem.

Personally, I didn't start to get better until I lost about 20 pounds

from my pre-CFS weight. Again, I think a lot of bad stuff had built up

in my gut as well as toxins were being stored in my fat cells. The

fewer fat cells you have, the less toxins.

OK, that is it. You have to take the fast seriously. It is like

training for an olympic event. It requires disipline. For me, it

was well worth it.

Mike and do it without the pulp-pulp is just harder to digest.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike!

Could you please tell us exactly what you did for your juice fast?

Please share as many details as you can, as I have never done one

before. How long were you on it for? (Do you know if it is okay for

diabetics to do this type of a fast?)

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 25

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:36:29 -0000

From: kmcamp22@...

Subject: Re: Vegetable Juicing--A Substitute for Supplements?

Yes, yes, yes for short term especially. I started a juice fast about

two years ago, and that is when my recovery really started after six

years of CFS. I haven't had a major relapse in one year and they are

getting farther between. When I do have one, it is milder.

My thoughts are that there has to be some really bad stuff in the

large and small intestines for PWCs to feel really bad. Like fibrogen

builds up in blood vessels, food can stay in your intestines for

years. Yes, it is gross, but it is the truth. A juice fast

allows your digestive system to purge almost everything, while at the

same time getting most of the nutrition you need.

Furthermore, I believe that whatever virus or bacterial or mycoplasma

infection that causes CFS, your body will try to overcome the pathogen

on it's own without large doses of vit C, magnesium, CoQ 10 etc. etc.

However, you can't just keep eating the same foods that allowed your

immune system to weaken to the point where the CFS pathogen was able

to make you sick. The juice fast at least will give you the peace of

mind to know that you are letting your body try to heal itself without

adding drugs and supplements that may or may not be helping. Just the

elimination of refined sugar may be enough to boost your immune

system to the point where you feel better.

My suggestion is to do the juice fast and then *slowly* add back in

some supplements like vit C, whey or whatever you think works. You

may also lose some weight on the fast if that is a problem.

Personally, I didn't start to get better until I lost about 20 pounds

from my pre-CFS weight. Again, I think a lot of bad stuff had built up

in my gut as well as toxins were being stored in my fat cells. The

fewer fat cells you have, the less toxins.

OK, that is it. You have to take the fast seriously. It is like

training for an olympic event. It requires disipline. For me, it was

well worth it.

Mike and do it without the pulp-pulp is just harder to digest.

[Guest guest]

> Hi Mike!

>

> Could you please tell us exactly what you did for your juice fast?

> Please share as many details as you can, as I have never done one

> before. How long were you on it for? (Do you know if it is okay

for

> diabetics to do this type of a fast?)

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

There are dozens of books on juice fasting at any book store. I

basically alternated carrot/apple juice with fruit juice in the

morning. You can use just about any fruit; orange, peach, pear,

apple, kiwi etc. Same thing for vegies; carrots, cabbage, bell

pepper, celery. I bet you can even find some good recipes online.

I got the idea from Akers' website. I have no idea about

juicing for diabetics. I don't know if the fructose in the fruit is

the same as refined sugar as far as being off limits for diabetics.

I really don't know much more, I juice fasted religiously for 30

days, and then off and on for another year. I grew to enjoy it. The

fruit juice is *really* good, and if you just put half an apple in

with the carrots (and celery), it isn't bad at all. Then, when your

stomach starts doing so much better, you don't mind even the

vegie juice and it becomes enjoyable as well.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike!

Thanks for sharing this info with us. Now, does a person need to have

a different type of blender for vegetables than for fruit. I just

purchased a blender last week, but I think that it is for veggies. I

rememeber seeing one specifically for fruit.

Kind regards,

Trudy

> There are dozens of books on juice fasting at any book store. I

> basically alternated carrot/apple juice with fruit juice in the

> morning. You can use just about any fruit; orange, peach, pear,

> apple, kiwi etc. Same thing for vegies; carrots, cabbage, bell

> pepper, celery. I bet you can even find some good recipes online.

> I got the idea from Akers' website. I have no idea about

> juicing for diabetics. I don't know if the fructose in the fruit is

> the same as refined sugar as far as being off limits for diabetics.

> I really don't know much more, I juice fasted religiously for 30

> days, and then off and on for another year. I grew to enjoy it.

The

> fruit juice is *really* good, and if you just put half an apple in

> with the carrots (and celery), it isn't bad at all. Then, when your

> stomach starts doing so much better, you don't mind even the

> vegie juice and it becomes enjoyable as well.

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

FWIW I have been juicing 4 times a day for the past year and I take alot of

supplements beside. Still my magnesium, potassium and zinc levels fall way

below normal. I have had severe hair loss due to zinc being low and that was

only corrected by large doses of zinc piccolinate over time w/ careful

monitoring of blood levels. I know that for me juicing is great but could

never substitute the supplements. I need both. a

[Guest guest]

Mike wrote:

>I juice fasted religiously for 30

>days, and then off and on for another year. I grew to enjoy it. The

>fruit juice is *really* good, and if you just put half an apple in

>with the carrots (and celery), it isn't bad at all.

Mike (or anyone here), what kind of juicer do you use? I am interested in

one that will:

-Juice veggies well, esp. green leafy ones, but also carrots

-Be easy to clean

Any recommendations greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Corina

[Guest guest]

> Hi Mike!

>

> Thanks for sharing this info with us. Now, does a person need to

have

> a different type of blender for vegetables than for fruit. I just

> purchased a blender last week, but I think that it is for veggies.

I

> rememeber seeing one specifically for fruit.

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

A blender is no better than just chewing food up real well in your

mouth before swallowing. I bought a Champion juicer. A juicer

extracts almost all of the nutrients from the vegie/fruit, but lets

you consume the nutrients without having to digest the pulp.

As far as what vegetables, buy whatever you like. Carrots are the

most popular, they are cheap and they last a long time in the fridge.

But try whatever you like, mix and match. I hate beets but they are

really good juiced with carrots. I think you can find some good

recipes on the net or just go to a book store and copy a few. THe

more variety, the better nutrition you are getting.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> FWIW I have been juicing 4 times a day for the past year and I

take alot of

> supplements beside. Still my magnesium, potassium and zinc levels

fall way

> below normal. I have had severe hair loss due to zinc being low and

that was

> only corrected by large doses of zinc piccolinate over time w/

careful

> monitoring of blood levels. I know that for me juicing is great but

could

> never substitute the supplements. I need both. a

I also don't see any reason to stop supplements when juicing. Don't

take them with the juice, wait an hour or so and take w/ spring

water. Of course everyone is different, so some may not need sups.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike!

Actually, I meant juicer instead of blender, but I guess you don't

read minds! ;-) LOL

Thanks for the suggestion regarding the juicing books. I went to

Chapters this evening and there were several different books

available. I plan to go back and look them over when I have a little

more time--and energy!

I am going to check with my ND to see if I could start a fast with my

diabetes. I did notice that in some of the juicing books that I

looked through they did have juices specifically for diabetes. So I

will do a little bit more research on this before I take the big

plunge! ;-)

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 20

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:32:08 -0000

From: kmcamp22@...

Subject: Re: Vegetable Juicing--A Substitute for Supplements?

> Hi Mike!

>

> Thanks for sharing this info with us. Now, does a person need to

have

> a different type of blender for vegetables than for fruit. I just

> purchased a blender last week, but I think that it is for veggies.

I

> rememeber seeing one specifically for fruit.

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

A blender is no better than just chewing food up real well in your

mouth before swallowing. I bought a Champion juicer. A juicer

extracts almost all of the nutrients from the vegie/fruit, but lets

you consume the nutrients without having to digest the pulp.

As far as what vegetables, buy whatever you like. Carrots are the

most popular, they are cheap and they last a long time in the fridge.

But try whatever you like, mix and match. I hate beets but they are

really good juiced with carrots. I think you can find some good

recipes on the net or just go to a book store and copy a few. THe

more variety, the better nutrition you are getting.

Mike

[Guest guest]

I don't have the energy to do juicing and clean the juicer - an Acme. So I've

been stuffing my blender with romaine, parsley, cilantro, and whatever greens

on hand. Then adding fresh carrot juice or frozen veg juice from the health

food store to dilute. I can also add a few garlic cloves and a spoon of kelp.

Blending for a minute or two makes a juice almost as fine as the juicer. Its

been working fine as a substitute for juicing and better then no veg juice at

all - and much, much easier to do.

macey