Re: Some interesting news-CD4/CD8-Bacteria, Viruses

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/01 2:28:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,

janel@... writes:

<< Well, sorry to contradict you but I have a highly positive RNASE-L test and

low CD4/CD8 ratio (>1).

Nelly

>>

I said in my original message that I was not sure if the information was even

accurate, it is something I just read. Having said that, I did do so some

searches on " google " concerning cd4/cd8 ratios and it seemed that mostly

people with viruses had elevated cd4/cd8. PS, do you get colds, flus,

etc?

[Guest guest]

>This

> article said that you can get a good feel as to if you should attack the

> virus first or the bacteria problem first by looking at the CD4/CD8

rations.

> The CD4/CD8 rations are mostly induced by interferon and therefore will

cause

> those of us with elevated rations of CD4/CD8 to not get colds, flues, etc.

> Therefore, it went on to explain, that people with ELEVATED CD4/CD8

rations

> and LOW NK function will most likely have a viral problem that is the main

> problem. The people with LOW CD4/CD8 and LOW NK function will most likely

> have a bacteria problem as there main source of the problem, bacterias

like

> Lyme, myco's etc

,

This is very interesting. I have low CD4/CD8 ratio (always below 1, a high

ratio will be around 2 or 3) and I have Lyme and Rickettsiae and I'm forever

catching colds and flus (bad ones!).

What article is that?

Nelly

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/01 3:13:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,

janel@... writes:

<< ,

Didn't you see my previous post?

Yes, i get lots of severe colds and 'flus several times a year, can't go

anywhere near someone with a cold without getting it.

Nelly >>

No, I did not see it. Well then that explains the low cd4/cd8

[Guest guest]

> Yes, , the article was about RNASE-L. It was mentioning that the

> RNASE-L defect is mostly caused by viruses and that the most of the people

> who tested positive for the RNASE-L defect also tested for elevated

CD4/CD8.

Well, sorry to contradict you but I have a highly positive RNASE-L test and

low CD4/CD8 ratio (>1).

Nelly

[Guest guest]

,

Didn't you see my previous post?

Yes, i get lots of severe colds and 'flus several times a year, can't go

anywhere near someone with a cold without getting it.

Nelly

Re: Some interesting news-CD4/CD8-Bacteria,

Viruses

> In a message dated 3/12/01 2:28:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> janel@... writes:

>

> << Well, sorry to contradict you but I have a highly positive RNASE-L test

and

> low CD4/CD8 ratio (>1).

>

> Nelly

> >>

>

> I said in my original message that I was not sure if the information was

even

> accurate, it is something I just read. Having said that, I did do so some

> searches on " google " concerning cd4/cd8 ratios and it seemed that mostly

> people with viruses had elevated cd4/cd8. PS, do you get colds,

flus,

> etc?

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is the CD4/CD8 reading part of a standard test profile? If this is

something that needs to be specifically ordered as part of some sort of

immune panel, what would prompt a doc to order this test? I hadn't ever

heard of it.

>>Yes, , the article was about RNASE-L. It was mentioning that the

RNASE-L defect is mostly caused by viruses and that the most of the people

who tested positive for the RNASE-L defect also tested for elevated CD4/CD8.

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[Guest guest]

> Yes, i get lots of severe colds and 'flus several times a year, can't go

> anywhere near someone with a cold without getting it.

> Nelly >>

>

> Well then that explains the low cd4/cd8

Yes, but not the Positive RNASE-L test which is suppose to mean " viral

smthng " which according to what you posted goes with HIGH CD 4/CD8 ratio and

no colds and 'flus, but I have Positive RNASE-L and low CD4/CD8 ratio is

meant to imply that I have " smthng bacterial " .

In any case, I KNOW I have Lyme and Rickettsia so my low CD4/CD8 ratio is

spot on! and I don't know about the RNASE-L!

Nelly

[Guest guest]

,

I'm no expert on this at all, but my cd4/cd8 ratios have always been

high, but when they were tested for my doc said to me that all that meant

was confirmation as to why I'm allergic and don't get colds, because the

suppressor cells (denominator) aren't turning off the immune reaction

that's represented by the cd4 number. At the time I had them there was

no talk of bacteria being involved--just candida and viruses.

I don't think hunches are worth a great deal in this matter, but I think

all three are involved with me. Just realize this: most of the time docs

said over the course of our lives that we had a virus that was done on

the basis of a symptom picture not on the basis of any PCR analysis. It

was feeling like you had the flu but not running a high temp, is what I

think they based it on mostly. Maybe I don't know other things they

" saw, " like the throat and maybe if they did white counts. But, again,

I'm out of my league here.

Also, don't HIV pos folks have low counts and HIV is a virus, no?

But with both diseases we are dealing with layers, I believe, of

infection and immune problems, making one marker difficult to be treated

as central, I think.

I , however, just had a repeat, and have " swifter " docs now. So I'll be

curious what the number is and also the interpretation, and will let the

list know.

Judith W

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:53:34 EST lbinujrsy@... writes:

> Hello, I read some interesting news last night that I would like to

> pass on

> to the group. This article said that you can have both activated

> viruses and

> bacteria (like Lyme, Rick., mycoplasma, etc) problems (by the way, I

> have

> both of these problems, some only have one or the other-if I am not

> mistaken

> Ken's problem was mainly bactaria, I don't think he also had

> activated

> viruses because he caught his illness rather quickly) and still not

> know

> which out of the two bacteria or viruses is your REAL

> problem...meaning the

> one to concentrate on first and the most. Meaning, the one that is

> doing

> most of the damage and that started the original onset of your

> illness. This

> article said that you can get a good feel as to if you should

> attack the

> virus first or the bacteria problem first by looking at the CD4/CD8

> rations.

> The CD4/CD8 rations are mostly induced by interferon and therefore

> will cause

> those of us with elevated rations of CD4/CD8 to not get colds,

> flues, etc.

> Therefore, it went on to explain, that people with ELEVATED CD4/CD8

> rations

> and LOW NK function will most likely have a viral problem that is

> the main

> problem. The people with LOW CD4/CD8 and LOW NK function will most

> likely

> have a bacteria problem as there main source of the problem,

> bacterias like

> Lyme, myco's etc. Now let me add that I have no idea if all of this

> is true

> or not. I am going to research what CD4/CD8 is and how it effects

> us....can

> anyone help with this by knowing a little bit about it already?????

> Also, I

> am not so sure if its totally true because I also read someplace

> that an over

> production of yeast can cause us to not get colds.

>

>