RE: Flushing with Niacin.........Ken

[Guest guest]

It is an interesting question as to whether a " normal " person will get

flushing. I had always thought yes, because I had read about it. But Ken

said you get flushing more when you have hypercoagulation, and as that is

reduced you get less. Indeed, I found that to be the case. The more I

have been on heparin the less flushing I get. Now I still sometimes get

red, but never completely itchy and on fire like I used to be.

I don't know the answer to when. One theory would be before the

antibiotic, because the capilaries would be open to move the antibiotic in

deeper. Another would be after to help flush out the dead bacteria.

I would think Niacin would make you warmer, not colder, so I'm not sure

about that.

Cindi

johnu@...

03/05/01 06:35 AM

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Subject: Flushing with Niacin.........Ken

Is there a " best " time to take Niacin (flushing kind). If I am

figuring this out right, and the aim is to open up the capillaries

and so get the bugs out, should the Niacin be taken with the

antibiotics to get the highest concentration of antibiotics in to the

tissues? Its hard to know whether this stuff helps. I have tried

200mg and am " flushing " and burning nicely......but then even non-CFS

people would do that wouldn't they? I am also VERY chilled, shivering

away and my hands are freezing.......now does THAT sound as if this

stuff is doing something? If so should I take the Niacin twice a day

when i take the Doxy?

Anne

[Guest guest]

I think what happens -- for me anyway -- is that because the

capillaries

get dilated and more blood ends up near the surface of the skin, then

you

lose heat far more quickly than normal. So although you're feeling hot

due to the flushing, you also tend to get cold shortly afterwards

because

you're losing so much heat through the skin.

All the best

Chris

Coventry, UK

mailto:chris_rowbury@...

[Guest guest]

Our experience is that Niacin flushes are effective indicators (for

us) if antibiotics are working or not.

We tend to use niacin regularly if we are definitely herxing: it

usually clear the mind and cause us to feel better after the flush.

If we are not herxing, than we would drop to once a week for niacin

to see if there is any significant amount of flushing after a week on

an antibiotic (giving toxins enough time to build up to give a

flush). If there was no flush and no herxing... than we would be

rotated on to the next antibiotic and resume herxing again.

Lately Laurie has been using niacin daily because the lovenox

(heparin) is resulting in more and more herxing each day for her. For

myself, the herxing appears like a sinus infection (which is blocking

the nose alot... so Laurie and I have to sleep apart currently :-(

: my resulting snoring and her herxing/sensistivity are incompatible

for a while.

I got niacin flushes before CFIDS(i.e. when I was normal)... and

stopped taking it because I did not understand what it was. To me a

regular flush (in a normal person) means a chronic infection -- which

has not become severe enough to present as CFIDS etc.... -- just my

opinion.

Best time: If you are herxing badly: 1-2 hrs after whatever causes

the herxing... (to clear the toxins from bacteria being killed), if

not herxing -- take it with the substance (antibiotics or ???) to

allow deeper penetration of the antibiotic into the tissue.

> Is there a " best " time to take Niacin (flushing kind). If I am

> figuring this out right, and the aim is to open up the capillaries

> and so get the bugs out, should the Niacin be taken with the

> antibiotics to get the highest concentration of antibiotics in to

the

> tissues? Its hard to know whether this stuff helps. I have tried

> 200mg and am " flushing " and burning nicely......but then even non-

CFS

> people would do that wouldn't they? I am also VERY chilled,

shivering

> away and my hands are freezing.......now does THAT sound as if this

> stuff is doing something? If so should I take the Niacin twice a

day

> when i take the Doxy?

> Anne

[Guest guest]

Ken, is Nicacinmide the same as Niacin

IF not what is your source for Niacin

I have Nicacinamide in from powder that I make into my own capsules.

Thanks

Ho

Email: justinho@...

Re: Flushing with Niacin.........Ken

> Our experience is that Niacin flushes are effective indicators (for

> us) if antibiotics are working or not.

>

> We tend to use niacin regularly if we are definitely herxing: it

> usually clear the mind and cause us to feel better after the flush.

>

> If we are not herxing, than we would drop to once a week for niacin

> to see if there is any significant amount of flushing after a week on

> an antibiotic (giving toxins enough time to build up to give a

> flush). If there was no flush and no herxing... than we would be

> rotated on to the next antibiotic and resume herxing again.

>

> Lately Laurie has been using niacin daily because the lovenox

> (heparin) is resulting in more and more herxing each day for her. For

> myself, the herxing appears like a sinus infection (which is blocking

> the nose alot... so Laurie and I have to sleep apart currently :-(

> : my resulting snoring and her herxing/sensistivity are incompatible

> for a while.

>

> I got niacin flushes before CFIDS(i.e. when I was normal)... and

> stopped taking it because I did not understand what it was. To me a

> regular flush (in a normal person) means a chronic infection -- which

> has not become severe enough to present as CFIDS etc.... -- just my

> opinion.

>

> Best time: If you are herxing badly: 1-2 hrs after whatever causes

> the herxing... (to clear the toxins from bacteria being killed), if

> not herxing -- take it with the substance (antibiotics or ???) to

> allow deeper penetration of the antibiotic into the tissue.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Is there a " best " time to take Niacin (flushing kind). If I am

> > figuring this out right, and the aim is to open up the capillaries

> > and so get the bugs out, should the Niacin be taken with the

> > antibiotics to get the highest concentration of antibiotics in to

> the

> > tissues? Its hard to know whether this stuff helps. I have tried

> > 200mg and am " flushing " and burning nicely......but then even non-

> CFS

> > people would do that wouldn't they? I am also VERY chilled,

> shivering

> > away and my hands are freezing.......now does THAT sound as if this

> > stuff is doing something? If so should I take the Niacin twice a

> day

> > when i take the Doxy?

> > Anne

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ken and I use Nature's Way Nicin in 100 mg capsules.

The Niacinamide is No-Flush niacin, so you won't flush from it. Our

MD told us not to take no-flush niacin because she said it's hard on

your liver. I don't know the particulars past that.

Laurie