IInfo but also question re K-Mag Aspartate!

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Jerry was enormously helpful in response to my concern about a

certain form of oral magnesium lactate--a question I raised because it

turns out that Medicaid will cover it but won't cover mag glycinate (and

the kind I can tolerate and find helpful of the later is expensive: the

powder gives me the runs, but the amino chelated one from Metagenics

works fine, but it COSTS!)

Then when I told my doc that the Slow-Mag I'd been on (and he knew it!)

contained huge amounts of calcium carbonate, which I mustn't take but his

predecessor had put me on disregarding the presence of the calc carb and

which the new doc didn't say anything about until I saw it myself, and

then told him about how expensive the mag glycinate was, and asked him

about the mag lactate--duh--(this is sooooo boring and tedious) what does

he tell me?.. . .That the best way to take oral mag is as potassium-mag

aspartate.

Why? As usual he was greatly rushed and I don't always pick up on this

stuff on first hearing it orally, but I did hear him say that it is this

form that best either affects or is absorbed by the mitochondria (my ears

perk up) and thus most beneficial for us. (I don't know why this is the

case, but as I've said before, he is not someone whose ideas I dismiss

though I don't always end up accepting them).

And it turns out that even though Medicaid won't pay, it's VERY CHEAP.

Much more so than the mag glycinate.

However, I now have another question before I order it and try it. I

never told the doc that the sweetener Aspartame gives me severe migraines

(a problem for lots of people with Aspartame). So of course I

worry/wonder if aspartate could have a similar effect, as I suppose they

are different forms of the same amino acid.

Does anyone know about this? Again, ordinary I'd call the doc's office

but I am still not at all comfortable doing so and don't see him till

after my current mag glycinate supply runs out.

Thanks in advance for any comments. (I did my shopping at

vitaminshoppe.com , which has several brands. Their website doesn't,

alas, give the elemental mag amounts so I'll have to check with the

manufacturers to see which has how much and thus which is the best

bargain re amt of mag--there's the store brand, Vitaline, and

/Amni, and I have a feeling the store brand is made by the latter

but not sure. Both are good companies in my experience.

Judith

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Judith,

When my doctor started using Cal/Mag Aspartate with his patients, I had a

reaction to it. It started slowly, so I didn't notice it at first, but

gradually noticed that I was becoming nervous, agitated and got irritated

far too often. Then it dawned on me that this is what happens to me when I

take L-Glutamine. Somehow in my body, glutamine is inappropriately converted

to glutamate, and somehow the aspartate creates the same symptoms. Perhaps

the more chemically proficient people on the list can explain this

phenomena. My doctor said it wasn't common, but he had a few people with

this reaction. there are several people on the metals list with similar

reactions - to either the glutamine or aspartate or both. I too have

migraines with aspartame the sweetener, and that's probably what made me

think about it. Use it cautiously if you choose to.

Donna in NC

IInfo but also question re K-Mag Aspartate!

> Jerry was enormously helpful in response to my concern about a

> certain form of oral magnesium lactate--a question I raised because it

> turns out that Medicaid will cover it but won't cover mag glycinate (and

> the kind I can tolerate and find helpful of the later is expensive: the

> powder gives me the runs, but the amino chelated one from Metagenics

> works fine, but it COSTS!)

>

> Then when I told my doc that the Slow-Mag I'd been on (and he knew it!)

> contained huge amounts of calcium carbonate, which I mustn't take but his

> predecessor had put me on disregarding the presence of the calc carb and

> which the new doc didn't say anything about until I saw it myself, and

> then told him about how expensive the mag glycinate was, and asked him

> about the mag lactate--duh--(this is sooooo boring and tedious) what does

> he tell me?.. . .That the best way to take oral mag is as potassium-mag

> aspartate.

>

> Why? As usual he was greatly rushed and I don't always pick up on this

> stuff on first hearing it orally, but I did hear him say that it is this

> form that best either affects or is absorbed by the mitochondria (my ears

> perk up) and thus most beneficial for us. (I don't know why this is the

> case, but as I've said before, he is not someone whose ideas I dismiss

> though I don't always end up accepting them).

>

> And it turns out that even though Medicaid won't pay, it's VERY CHEAP.

> Much more so than the mag glycinate.

>

> However, I now have another question before I order it and try it. I

> never told the doc that the sweetener Aspartame gives me severe migraines

> (a problem for lots of people with Aspartame). So of course I

> worry/wonder if aspartate could have a similar effect, as I suppose they

> are different forms of the same amino acid.

>

> Does anyone know about this? Again, ordinary I'd call the doc's office

> but I am still not at all comfortable doing so and don't see him till

> after my current mag glycinate supply runs out.

>

> Thanks in advance for any comments. (I did my shopping at

> vitaminshoppe.com , which has several brands. Their website doesn't,

> alas, give the elemental mag amounts so I'll have to check with the

> manufacturers to see which has how much and thus which is the best

> bargain re amt of mag--there's the store brand, Vitaline, and

> /Amni, and I have a feeling the store brand is made by the latter

> but not sure. Both are good companies in my experience.

>

> Judith

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Judith wrote

> Then when I told my doc that the Slow-Mag I'd been on (and he knew

it!)

> contained huge amounts of calcium carbonate, which I mustn't take.

Hi Judith,

Why can't you take the calcium carbonate. Do you have kidney

stones? Beyond-a-Century has good prices on the mag glycinate.

[Guest guest]

,

Yes--because I had one hugely awful attack of kidney stones and developed

hydronephrosis (which if it last can be dangerous). Though my doc never

was able to " catch " the stones we don't know what they were made of, but

calc carbonate is best to avoid re kidney stone production (I was

switched to calc citrate, which it is claimed actually can via the

citrate part reduce the likelihood of stones.

I still haven't check beyond a century but must. My problem is finding

mag glyc that's chelated to amino acids (as Metagenics is). For, when I

took the Pure Encapsulation brand (from NEEDS) it caused diarrhea. So I

gotta find out if behond a century has this chelated form.

Interestingly, for years I took Mag Citrate by Thorne, and it didn't

cause diarrhea either. But it's costly also.

Thanks. Because after what Donna said when I " worried " about the

aspartate form that my doc said is so good (with potassium) I want to

avoid it until I can speak to him about it, and that won't be for a bit,

my wondrously inaccessible doc except for the 20 minutes every 6 to 8

weeks, when I have about 3 hrs worth of things to discuss .

If I find a chelated mag glycinate cheaper than Metagenics at NEEDs I'll

report.

Judith

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:16:30 -0000 clemsonjk@... writes:

>> Hi Judith,

>

> Why can't you take the calcium carbonate. Do you have kidney

> stones? Beyond-a-Century has good prices on the mag glycinate.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

> in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes--because I had one hugely awful attack of kidney stones and developed

hydronephrosis (which if it last can be dangerous). Though my doc never

was able to " catch " the stones we don't know what they were made of, but

calc carbonate is best to avoid re kidney stone production (I was

switched to calc citrate, which it is claimed actually can via the

citrate part reduce the likelihood of stones.

I still haven't check beyond a century but must. My problem is finding

mag glyc that's chelated to amino acids (as Metagenics is). For, when I

took the Pure Encapsulation brand (from NEEDS) it caused diarrhea. So I

gotta find out if behond a century has this chelated form.

Interestingly, for years I took Mag Citrate by Thorne, and it didn't

cause diarrhea either. But it's costly also.

Thanks. Because after what Donna said when I " worried " about the

aspartate form that my doc said is so good (with potassium) I want to

avoid it until I can speak to him about it, and that won't be for a bit,

my wondrously inaccessible doc except for the 20 minutes every 6 to 8

weeks, when I have about 3 hrs worth of things to discuss .

If I find a chelated mag glycinate cheaper than Metagenics at NEEDs I'll

report.

Judith

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:16:30 -0000 clemsonjk@... writes:

>> Hi Judith,

>

> Why can't you take the calcium carbonate. Do you have kidney

> stones? Beyond-a-Century has good prices on the mag glycinate.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

> in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Judith F Wisdom wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Yes--because I had one hugely awful attack of kidney stones and developed

Hi. I searched but either sites are not up to par? or are down. What

is this hydrophronesis thing? thanks. MA

[Guest guest]

MA,

My laptop broke totally and because I do much of my email and some

wordprocessing during my often lay-down times I am and will be way behind

in my email until and if I find a way to get a new one.

Hence the delay in this an other posts.

Hydronephrosis (sp?) is when something (usually stones) impedes the flow

of the urine and it backs up into the kidney, making the kidney

overloaded with urine. That's the lay answer. But what I don't know is

how long the body can tolerate this. I know it was over a week before

they put the stent in to open up the ureter. But it's possible the urine

drained from the kidney before that as a result maybe of the cause of the

blockage possibly being broken up, as I was drinking tons of water.

But while interesting (and I SHOULD get my kidneys and bladder and

ureters ultrasounded) my main concern was to not take the calcium that is

most connected to kidney stone production (calcium carbonate) and instead

take the one that is least likely to an in fact might even reverse it

(calcium citrate). They also say lemon juice but I get migraines from

citrus!

And they never succeeded in capturing any of the stone material

visualized on the CAT scan when I had the attack, so we don't know if the

stones were calcium stones. My doc says when I eat green vegetables to

take one or two calcium pills with it, for that will bind the oxcilate

(sp?) (which I thought was only in spinach-but he said no it's in all

greens), since many stones are from oxylate whose relation to calcium I

dunno.

Judith

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:47:36 -0800 Ann

<thunderchicken57@...> writes:

> Judith F Wisdom wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Yes--because I had one hugely awful attack of kidney stones and

> developed

>

> Hi. I searched but either sites are not up to par? or are down.

> What

> is this hydrophronesis thing? thanks. MA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Judith F Wisdom wrote:

>

> MA,

WOW! Thanks for all the info. I am changing to calcium citrate when I

shop tomorrow. I guess beceause carbonate is so cheap, that's why they

can get away with selling it? makes no sense to me. have a good

weekend.