Warning / HGH+bGF (long post)

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To all list members considering HGH or HGH/bGF protocol:

After reading Rita Ralston's recent posting about Cheney's suggested use of HGH

to treat CFS I immediately understood that the long interval between injections

was meant to prevent blunting the HGH component of the HPA-axis. It is similar

to Dave 's old every third day therapy using hydrocortisone. If you

space the dosing so that you revert to your weakened condition for a period you

can prevent further blunting of the dynamic hormone response, whether Cortisol

or HGH. Consequently, I decided to reduce the frequency of my HGH injections

and bGF oral doses usually given the day after the HGH. I'm going to reduce the

frequency to once every 7-10 days. My last HGH injection was Friday morning.

Monday and Tuesday night my sleep pattern reverted to it's pattern prior to my

use of Somatomed more than a year ago. I woke up at 4 AM both days and only

slept sporadically thereafter. Today I began to notice a decline in my

cognitive function similar to what I experienced before adding Somatomed to my

regimen. The Somatomed is apparently not working without the HGH injections.

This confirms what Cheney has said about the GH stimulants - that they stop

working after about a year. The reduced cognitive function is not permanent but

the result of what is currently only a minor sleep deficit.

At this point I'm not sure whether the HGH/bGF protocol is providing any lasting

benefit. All of the significant benefit I have experience to date may be coming

from the HGH alone and may only continue as long as the HGH is used. The

mesenchyme and CNS GF's do provide a short term cognitive boost but I am not

sure if the benefits are permanent and will not know until I've spent some time

with the less frequent HGH injections or have completed the protocol. I should

know fairly soon if I begin to feel weaker with the HGH given only every 7-10

days. If my activity level reverts to my " pre-protocol " condition then the

HGH/bGF protocol has probably failed in my case. I plan to get a cotrosyn

stimulation test soon to see if my dynamic cortisol response is less blunted.

If so, then at least I will have gotten some benefit.

I suggest anyone planning to start either HGH injections or the HGH + bGF

protocol administer the HGH no more than once every 7-10 days with the bGF's (if

included) given either the day of or after the HGH. This will stretch out the

term of the protocol considerably but may prevent blunting or further blunting

(assuming deficiency exists) of your current HGH baseline and/or dynamic

response. I think Cheney may be considering this scenario (after reading post

from Rita) and may be why he has halted the formal HGH/bGF protocol (if it is

true that he has). In conclusion, it is probably a good idea to wait for the

results of Cheney's trial later this year before beginning the HGH / bGF

protocol. I think it is pretty safe to use the HGH alone as long as you space

the doses as suggested by Cheney in Rita's post. Steve B.

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Steve B,

I must say I was a little taken back by your post regarding HGH and

bGF...unless I misunderstood it because I am feeling really bad

today(brainfog, etc). First, I was under the impression that Cheney

recommends intervals of HGH every 4 to 5 days, not 7-10 days?? Also is this

all correct, my questions and comments:

1) You have been on HGH and bGF almost a year

2) you have gained 90% of your health back from HGH or have you gained it

back in your opinion from the HGH and bGF combined?

3)After almost a year on this therapy you are now going to reduce your

injections of HGH from 2 units three times a week to 2 units every 7 to 10

days? You are going to take the bGF every 7 to 10 days as well instead of

three times a week?

4)You are starting to notice that your sleep isn't as good because you aren't

taking the HGH as often or because you stopped the somatomed?

5) You think the protocol helped you regain 90% of your health back but at

this point you are not sure if it will last unless you keep taking HGH or

both HGH and somatomed?

6) It seems as though sometimes you might think that the bGF's aren't really

helping you or didn't help as much as you wanted them to. You have been on

them for a while now and I asked you once before if you think that they

helped you and you said yes,,,but in the post you posted it seems as though

you mention that your return to good health was/is mainly from the HGH and

not the bGF's at all. Just wanted to get a better clarification on this

before many of us go and spend so much money on the bGF's.

7) Lastly, do you even recommend the intervals of 7 to 10 for people who are

just beginning the protocol? Just wondering because you went almost a year

doing the HGH three times a week and you got great success, meaning it didn't

mess up your HPA axis, did it? As you know I am starting it now and I am now

fully confused as to take it three times a week or every 7 to 10 days.

Thank you for helping us all with this protocol and for sharing your opinions

and for keeping us updated on your progess and treatment regimen. You really

have been a big help to this list.

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Evan,

I've heard the same thing about the amplifying of the affect when taking

multiple hormones. I think if your taking HGH you can probably reduce or

eliminate doses of other hormones but it's such an individual thing that you

may have to have all the levels tested again after beginning HGH. I think

your dose frequency is safe. I would try to keep it at once a week. It is

dissapointing that we are both losing the sleep improvement benefits a

couple days after the injections. Steve B.

Re: Warning / HGH+bGF (long post)

> Dear :

>

> Thanks for this interesting and important post. I'm on the

> injection every five or six days and i have also noticed that aftter 2

> or 3 days I'm not sleeping quite as well, and may also be a little

> more vulnerable to morning sore throats, etc..

>

> But as you say, that, long term, may be a good thing. At least

> among the anti-agers, there is a bit of a cult surrounding rHGH

> use, and for many of them the more the merrier. I hope they are

> all rich. Don't know what wil happen with them when they stop

> their daily or 5 days a week injections.

>

> Going once a week is respectful of the body. I've also read that

> taking multiple hormones with hgh therapy multiplies the effect.

> Any comment? DHEA or 7-keto DHEA, melatonin, pregnenolone

> and thyroid are among those suggested as possible amplifiers.

> One doc (for what that title may be worth on the internet) said

> taking multiple hormones has a doubling effect, that is taking

> two is like taking four, etc.

>

> Thanks again,

>

> -evan

>

>

>

>

> > To all list members considering HGH or HGH/bGF protocol:

> >

> > After reading Rita Ralston's recent posting about Cheney's

> suggested use of HGH to treat CFS I immediately understood

> that the long interval between injections was meant to prevent

> blunting the HGH component of the HPA-axis. It is similar to

> Dave 's old every third day therapy using hydrocortisone.

> If you space the dosing so that you revert to your weakened

> condition for a period you can prevent further blunting of the

> dynamic hormone response, whether Cortisol or HGH.

> Consequently, I decided to reduce the frequency of my HGH

> injections and bGF oral doses usually given the day after the

> HGH. I'm going to reduce the frequency to once every 7-10 days.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

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Dear :

Thanks for this interesting and important post. I'm on the

injection every five or six days and i have also noticed that aftter 2

or 3 days I'm not sleeping quite as well, and may also be a little

more vulnerable to morning sore throats, etc..

But as you say, that, long term, may be a good thing. At least

among the anti-agers, there is a bit of a cult surrounding rHGH

use, and for many of them the more the merrier. I hope they are

all rich. Don't know what wil happen with them when they stop

their daily or 5 days a week injections.

Going once a week is respectful of the body. I've also read that

taking multiple hormones with hgh therapy multiplies the effect.

Any comment? DHEA or 7-keto DHEA, melatonin, pregnenolone

and thyroid are among those suggested as possible amplifiers.

One doc (for what that title may be worth on the internet) said

taking multiple hormones has a doubling effect, that is taking

two is like taking four, etc.

Thanks again,

-evan

> To all list members considering HGH or HGH/bGF protocol:

>

> After reading Rita Ralston's recent posting about Cheney's

suggested use of HGH to treat CFS I immediately understood

that the long interval between injections was meant to prevent

blunting the HGH component of the HPA-axis. It is similar to

Dave 's old every third day therapy using hydrocortisone.

If you space the dosing so that you revert to your weakened

condition for a period you can prevent further blunting of the

dynamic hormone response, whether Cortisol or HGH.

Consequently, I decided to reduce the frequency of my HGH

injections and bGF oral doses usually given the day after the

HGH. I'm going to reduce the frequency to once every 7-10 days.