Guest guest Posted July 28, 2001 Report Share Posted July 28, 2001 Have you tried magnets? I used to get very tired from being in the flourescent lights in the shop where I used to work. I would have to come home and lie down for an hour and what I was doing was not strenuous. My chiropractor suggested a magnet chain around my neck. The difference was amazing. The magnets reflect the electrical fields away from you instead of letting them sap your energy. My daughter wears one as well and said it helped tremendously with headaches. My husband carried a magnet pen with him in work. It slips onto the pocket of his lab coat and looks like a pen. I can tell when he's forgotten it as he comes home exhausted and drained. This is also helpful if you have to work at a computer for long hours. Joan [ ] Re: Reply to what to do with a screaming child? Here is a link on my site you might find interesting. I am not giving it to you for the main purpose of the link, but for her description of her life. http://home.pacbell.net/cscomp/ritalin.htm I also have difficulty with flourescent lights, I can hear them and the light itself gives me a migraine. I don't know much about sound therapy, but I personally do not know how it would affect how I hear the lights. But I do not believe it would affect the headaches, because they are from the sound and the light itself. I can also see the computer monitor refresh several times each second, very distracting. --- In @y..., " Tim & s " <gfcf4taryn@w...> wrote: > Kaye- > > Have either of you done sound therapy. I've heard the humming lights story before and it can be taken away with the proper sound therapy. You never know what frequencies sound like to someone who's ears aren't processing right. My favorite story from our ND- She asked an adult autistic " what's the most irratating sound of all to you " Answer- " Falling Snow, it sounds the same a shattering glass " . That gave me a whole new perspective on whats happening when Taryn covers her ears and gets stiff on us. > > We are working with an at home program through Samonas website is vwww.vitallinks.com/ , very reasonable cost compared to similar programs. They have a few case stories on there which shows how much audio processing can effect behavior. > > - > we went to the grocery > store or Wal-Mart. I figured out later (when I got the same way) that > the flouresent lights were the problem. Aside from them hurting my > eyes, the humming sound they make reverberates through my whole body. > I get an instant headache from them too. I don't go to the store > anymore unless it's just a quick trip. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Sounds like ballasts to me. Best is replace it with nonfluorescent. They radiate the frequency of all elements they are made with, mercury, fluorine, phosphorous, etc. besides the electric current. It destroys vitamin A in your body, and ??gentian something in your eyes. I think I'm getting gentian violet confused with another item, but something necessary in your eyes. ~ Snoshoe > > Hi all, > > Can anyone tell me what is going on when a flourescent light makes a very loud humming noise, and you can actually see waves running down the tubes? What kind of fields would be emanating from this, and, should the lights be changed? > Thanks, Audy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 > It is clear to me that the major contributor of the EMF is the > flourescent lights that are EVERYWHERE. Yes, many people here have problems with flourescent lights. If you can get them to unscrew some wherever she spends most of her time, that might help. I don't know if there are any kinds of flourescent lights that are better than others, as people here typically just tend to avoid them. There do exist LED light tubes intended to be placed in flourescent light fixtures, that might be worth checking out. I've also had good luck with EMF protection devices around flourescent lights -- quantumproducts.com had the most effective devices to make me feel better around flourescent lights. Also, I found improvement by supplementing with H-Minus (an antioxidant), and I think some kinds of Vitamin A (even eating carrots!) helps. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 > It is clear to me that the major contributor of > the EMF is the flourescent lights that are EVERYWHERE. Oh, and if there are the compact flourescent lights near where she spends lots of time, replacing those with incandescent or LED lights might help. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Apparently there exist (or used to exist) special fluorescent tubes that had a conductive layer for use in places where electronic interference was a problem. I've never seen them but have not really looked. It's not obvious they would solve the problem as the newer ballasts put out so much dirty power. But if the wiring is all in metal conduit, it might be worth a try. Sometimes there are metal cages put over the lights, and if those are grounded it would at least minimize the electric field. I think those LED tubes are designed to work with existing ballasts, which is too bad. Stetzer filters close to the ballasts might help, or simpler, just make sure there are no power cords near this person. Do you have a link to the WHO report? Bill On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote: > > > > It is clear to me that the major contributor of > > the EMF is the flourescent lights that are EVERYWHERE. > > Oh, and if there are the compact flourescent lights near > where she spends lots of time, replacing those with > incandescent or LED lights might help. > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Thank you all for the information. I will keep poking around and learn what I can. Here's the link to the WHO report. http://rds./_ylt=A0oGkijaWWZKDCQBMkpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyaWE3cmwwBHNlYwNz\ cgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0Y2NjZfODM-/SIG=130hrv5ba/EXP=1248308058/**http%3a/\ /www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/reports/EHS_Proceedings_June2006.pdf > > > > > > > > It is clear to me that the major contributor of > > > the EMF is the flourescent lights that are EVERYWHERE. > > > > Oh, and if there are the compact flourescent lights near > > where she spends lots of time, replacing those with > > incandescent or LED lights might help. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Unscrewing the lights may not help as it is likely that the electronics and not the tubes are the problem. Also these circumstances are often in office settings where employees don't have the luxury of modifying the lighting conditions; and unfortunately you're unlikely to get any sympathy or understanding from fellow workers. L. > > > It is clear to me that the major contributor of the EMF is the > > flourescent lights that are EVERYWHERE. > > Yes, many people here have problems with flourescent lights. If you can > get them to unscrew some wherever she spends most of her time, that > might help. I don't know if there are any kinds of flourescent lights > that are better than others, as people here typically just tend to avoid > them. There do exist LED light tubes intended to be placed in > flourescent light fixtures, that might be worth checking out... > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 > Unscrewing the lights may not help as it is likely that the electronics > and not the tubes are the problem. Also these circumstances are often in > office settings where employees don't have the luxury of modifying the > lighting conditions; Actually I have personal experience with this -- unscrewing the light tubes above my desk at work does indeed help! Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 I'd agree that often disconnecting the bulbs helps. If there are high magnetic field readings all around one also has to consider power lines and possible wiring errors. Any case where the same lights are controlled by more than one switch there's a good chance of a wiring error, and with fluorscents on the circuits the result is very bad. Check if turning off the lights lowers the field. Then try to find an electrician who understands neutral loops and magnetic interference. This is all in Ed Leeper's book. It is usually a very quick and cheap fix, but in some cases one ends up with just one working switch unless new wires are run. Bill On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote: > > > > Unscrewing the lights may not help as it is likely that the electronics > > and not the tubes are the problem. Also these circumstances are often in > > office settings where employees don't have the luxury of modifying the > > lighting conditions; > > Actually I have personal experience with this -- unscrewing the > light tubes above my desk at work does indeed help! > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 In a message dated 26/07/2009 22:04:40 GMT Daylight Time, wbruno@... writes: The state of the science doesn't make it clear whether the electric field or magnetic fields is the greater concern. It may depend on the person. Differential mode electric fields tend to cancel pretty quickly with Uk replies - for the record electric feilds give me more skin symptoms and Emfeilds tend to get to my whole system cuasing great nausea. I would hazzard a guess that the EMF gives deeper cellular effects where as efeild gives skin level effects. puk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I've commented on these products before. They can help in some cases, but they can also make things worse. The meter measures the voltage in the medium frequency range. The filter converts the voltage to current, and hence magnetic field. So the wiring between the filter and the source of the problem becomes an even worse problem. They also don't help with common mode noise. The state of the science doesn't make it clear whether the electric field or magnetic fields is the greater concern. It may depend on the person. Differential mode electric fields tend to cancel pretty quickly with distance anyway, though not always. I think cases where these filters are most likely to help are cases where fixing wiring errors and getting rid of sources of AC magnetic fields will help even more. In cases where that's not possible it is worth trying them, and keeping them as close to the sources as possible. Bill On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Ehrhart2h <bill10600@...> wrote: > > > > Hi All > > It has been interesting following the discussion about Fluorescent > Lights and the Magnetic fields they create. > > What I have not seen mentioned is the problem of microsurges on the > power line or dirty electricity. This can cause a lot of problems for > people who are sensitive to things like this. > > Graham Stetzer makes a meter to measure the power line Microsurges. > They also have filters to reduce the Microsurges. I suggest you go to > their website: http://www.stetzerelectric.com/filters/meter_sheet.html > <http://www.stetzerelectric.com/filters/meter_sheet.html> > > On the left hand side of the page go to: Graham-Stetzer Research > <http://www.stetzerelectric.com/filters/research/> to read about the > problems Microsurges can cause and the benefits received from doing the > correction. > > I have their meter and my house had readings as high as 1000 at some of > the outlets. After installing the filters the outlets now read no more > than 60. It is still a bit too high as 25 is considered ideal. I am > happy with what I have. > > I live in a retirement community where there is an apartment building. > I checked the readings at some outlets in the building, yesterday. The > lowest was 400 and over half of the outlets were beyond the 1999 range > of the meter! Wow! I do not spend a lot of time in that building! > > I hope this is some help to you. > > Bill E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unscrewing the lights may not help as it is likely that the > electronics > > > > and not the tubes are the problem. Also these circumstances are > often in > > > > office settings where employees don't have the luxury of modifying > the > > > > lighting conditions; > > > > > > Actually I have personal experience with this -- unscrewing the > > > light tubes above my desk at work does indeed help! > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Your guess is probably right. Electric fields usually don't penetrate much beyond the skin, although at higher frequencies (~ 1GHz) the electric and magnetic penetrate together. When you get up higher still in frequency the penetration of the millimeter waves is reduced... it heats the skin before it can get much deeper. Bill On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, <paulpjc@...> wrote: > > > > In a message dated 26/07/2009 22:04:40 GMT Daylight Time, wbruno@...<wbruno%40gmail.com> > writes: > > > The state of the science doesn't make it clear whether the electric field > or magnetic fields is the greater concern. It may depend on the person. > Differential mode electric fields tend to cancel pretty quickly with > > Uk replies - > for the record electric feilds give me more skin symptoms and Emfeilds tend > > to get to my whole system cuasing great nausea. I would hazzard a guess > that the EMF gives deeper cellular effects where as efeild gives skin level > > effects. > > puk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 One more thing with the lighting: in an office building, the floor below you will, of course, have their ceiling lights located just under your feet and possibly closer than the ones overhead. L. > > > Actually I have personal experience with this -- unscrewing the > > light tubes above my desk at work does indeed help! > > > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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