Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 n What is your source for Arginine? Ho Email: justinho@... RE[ Lysine Question>n > > Nutrients particularly needed by the immune system when a viral > infection > > is present include thymus extract, glutamine, arginine (overbalanced by > > lysine to discourage the herpes family of viruses), zinc, selenium, > > Vitamins A (or beta carotene), C, and E.. The various plant-based > > antioxidants are also helpful (grapeseed extract, pycnogenol, > > bioflavonoids, etc.). > n, > Thanks this little recap came very a propos here in winterous Paris! I have > a revolting viral respiratory infection which I am finding very hard to > shake. I had forgotten the arginine/lysine balance concept. > BUT, apart from this, I am staying much improved on my high dose abx re what > I call my major sx (like my night cardiac pauses, my vertigo attacks). > Jacques is even better now that we are not taking breaks in abx, he has so > much more stamina, no more mental fatigue, no more memory or concentration > pbs. The road is long but we will hopefully get there. > How are you doing? > Nelly > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 I read on a website that Immunocal is being tested as a Lyme treatment by Immunocal. I think it was at : www.immunocal.com or www.immunotec.com . Al RE[ Lysine Question>n > > Nutrients particularly needed by the immune system when a viral > infection > > is present include thymus extract, glutamine, arginine (overbalanced by > > lysine to discourage the herpes family of viruses), zinc, selenium, > > Vitamins A (or beta carotene), C, and E.. The various plant-based > > antioxidants are also helpful (grapeseed extract, pycnogenol, > > bioflavonoids, etc.). > n, > Thanks this little recap came very a propos here in winterous Paris! I have > a revolting viral respiratory infection which I am finding very hard to > shake. I had forgotten the arginine/lysine balance concept. > BUT, apart from this, I am staying much improved on my high dose abx re what > I call my major sx (like my night cardiac pauses, my vertigo attacks). > Jacques is even better now that we are not taking breaks in abx, he has so > much more stamina, no more mental fatigue, no more memory or concentration > pbs. The road is long but we will hopefully get there. > How are you doing? > Nelly > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Hi Nelly, Glad to hear you are holding out - in fact, positively upwards. And Jacques. But still I guess frightening on continuous abx, although not as frightening as the alternative? Me - in a confused state at the moment having tried HGH at the end of last year for 3 months and feeling in many ways better. Now have stopped due to concern about the right/best way to handle HGH arising from Carol's experience and discussions with Cheney. SInce I don't know what his protocol is, and he has many warnings about consequences of doing it " wrong " , I am kind of stuck doing nothing and feeling not so good at the moment. No HGH >> feeling poorly. Not a good sign I think. Haven't had any cycles of abx for some months now and not feeling as though I need to. Might have another just in case in the next week or two. Some of my improvements may be due to continued ingestion of many $$$ of Chisolm's TF (type 2 for CFS etc). I am pretty sure it is good stuff for me. Onwards... n PS viral? - or chlamydia / mycoplasmas???? My old doc still reckons that there is a plague of mycoplasmas that affects immune compromised people all over. Started or got much worse in late 80's he says. People affected get chronic or recurring respiratory infections. Go to warm sub-tropical coastal places is his only remedy. >Thanks this little recap came very a propos here in winterous Paris! I have >a revolting viral respiratory infection which I am finding very hard to >shake. I had forgotten the arginine/lysine balance concept. >BUT, apart from this, I am staying much improved on my high dose abx re what >I call my major sx (like my night cardiac pauses, my vertigo attacks). >Jacques is even better now that we are not taking breaks in abx, he has so >much more stamina, no more mental fatigue, no more memory or concentration >pbs. The road is long but we will hopefully get there. >How are you doing? >Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Thanks Al, still a pb having things like immunocal sent to France (kept by customs for ages), having to go and get it personally from them, package all wrecked etc. so I'm on another path at the moment. but will keep my ear to the ground Nelly RE[ Lysine Question>n > > > > > Nutrients particularly needed by the immune system when a viral > > infection > > > is present include thymus extract, glutamine, arginine (overbalanced by > > > lysine to discourage the herpes family of viruses), zinc, selenium, > > > Vitamins A (or beta carotene), C, and E.. The various plant-based > > > antioxidants are also helpful (grapeseed extract, pycnogenol, > > > bioflavonoids, etc.). > > n, > > Thanks this little recap came very a propos here in winterous Paris! I > have > > a revolting viral respiratory infection which I am finding very hard to > > shake. I had forgotten the arginine/lysine balance concept. > > BUT, apart from this, I am staying much improved on my high dose abx re > what > > I call my major sx (like my night cardiac pauses, my vertigo attacks). > > Jacques is even better now that we are not taking breaks in abx, he has so > > much more stamina, no more mental fatigue, no more memory or concentration > > pbs. The road is long but we will hopefully get there. > > How are you doing? > > Nelly > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Hi Nelly, > > Glad to hear you are holding out - in fact, positively upwards. And > Jacques. But still I guess frightening on continuous abx, although not as > frightening as the alternative? Exactly! When are you getting your butt over to Sydney to see Hudson at RNSH, the only infectious person worth seeing. You have spent so much time assiduously frequenting Nature in an intimate kind of fashion, that I rekon you're a high risk Lyme person. And don't believe that crap about " no Lyme in Oz " that's bull! I know I already told you all this but if you knew what I now know re Lyme and the Lyme conspiracy (yes conspiracy!) around the planet, you'd try and save YOUR skin regardless of the dysinformation that we all get fed from very heavy handed health authorities who go as far as to go after the licenses of the only decent, honest, courageous doctors who are really dxing and treating very sick, chronic Lyme sufferers. Two of them are going through investigations now, 2 have already lost their licenses. The others are scared. Here in France there's only one doctor who has courageously taken this on, with a bit of help from his very Lyme Litterate patients (yours truly for eg), he is a Prof of Infectious Diseases in a Paris hospital and he is well respected (was?), he is on TV whenever there's a legionella outbreak, and he's a very honest guy, but he's overworked. So many patients have started to pour into his consulting rooms, he can't cope. There's a lot of Lyme in Germany and a war is rageing there too.Some real heavies there. Actually the main pb with Lyme is that you just cannot rely on tests. None are reliable especially if you are immune deficient and/or if you took abx and therefore might've suppressed production of antibodies. > > Me - in a confused state at the moment having tried HGH at the end of last > year for 3 months and feeling in many ways better. Now have stopped due to > concern about the right/best way to handle HGH arising from Carol's > experience and discussions with Cheney. SInce I don't know what his > protocol is, and he has many warnings about consequences of doing it > " wrong " , I am kind of stuck doing nothing and feeling not so good at the > moment. No HGH >> feeling poorly. Not a good sign I think. Well, I haven't really looked into it, have you tried DHEA? > > Haven't had any cycles of abx for some months now and not feeling as though > I need to. Might have another just in case in the next week or two. Try to go on continuous just for experiment's sake. > > Some of my improvements may be due to continued ingestion of many $$$ of > Chisolm's TF (type 2 for CFS etc). I am pretty sure it is good stuff for me. Yes, you've been saying that for years, didn't someone said they have a Lyme specific TF? > > Onwards...CFIDS soldiers..... > > n > > PS viral? - or chlamydia / mycoplasmas???? My old doc still reckons that > there is a plague of mycoplasmas that affects immune compromised people all > over. Started or got much worse in late 80's he says. People affected get > chronic or recurring respiratory infections. I know, I've been plagued by repiratory infections for years, this one seems pure viral (no green muck) but very tenacious, week 3 and I am still coughing hard and feeling like shit. Go to warm sub-tropical > coastal places is his only remedy. Any suggestions? We are unfortunately going to have to stick with France for about another 18 months, to get the most out of our wonderful doctors and free flowing abx (we don't pay anything for them) and also it is so reassuring to be able to discuss things with a rational, well-meaning infectious dis specialist. Also I managed to get a long illness status from the Education Nationale (on the basis of depression) and so I am getting my salary for the time being, so not a good time to leave. Jacques is still working for MS and he's happy there, especially now that he can function normally brainwise, he's even travelling quite a bit through Europe and Africa. So, any plans for trips to Europe, gum boots with long pants tucked in the whole time when even treading on a piece of grass! Nelly in France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 > Hi Nelly, > > Glad to hear you are holding out - in fact, positively upwards. And > Jacques. But still I guess frightening on continuous abx, although not as > frightening as the alternative? > > Me - in a confused state at the moment having tried HGH at the end of last > year for 3 months and feeling in many ways better. Now have stopped due to > concern about the right/best way to handle HGH arising from Carol's > experience and discussions with Cheney. SInce I don't know what his > protocol is, and he has many warnings about consequences of doing it > " wrong " , I am kind of stuck doing nothing and feeling not so good at the > moment. No HGH >> feeling poorly. Not a good sign I think. n, as you may have read, Dr. Sharp in Ft. Worth is going to be 'on board' on the Hgh protocol, hopefully soon, so there may be a LOT more info. about the proper protocol soon. I would be concerned too, I am even concerned about taking abx for one week!!!!!! You can always fly to DFW when Dr. Sharp is up to speed and see him. You will have a place to stay if you come. Hey group, did anyone hear about Carol S. and her disability review. Doesn't sound good. I don't think she has posted here about it so I hope I haven't done something wrong by bringing it up. But she has been so good in relaying the Cheney info., it would be a shame if she couldn't afford to do it anymore. Obviously, the worst part is that her recovery may be affected. (sorry in advance). Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Mike - thanks for this I wasn't aware of Dr Sharp. If more info does come out that you know of, I would be grateful if you'd post it here in big letters, as I often only have time to skim. I am not sure if my Australian dollar finances would let me get through a US doctor's door let alone actually have an appointment! Still, obviously I'd do it if I thought the odds were good enough. Thanks again, n At 12:26 01/02/01, you wrote: >n, as you may have read, Dr. Sharp in Ft. Worth is going to be >'on board' on the Hgh protocol, hopefully soon, so there may be a LOT >more info. about the proper protocol soon. I would be concerned too, >I am even concerned about taking abx for one week!!!!!! You can >always fly to DFW when Dr. Sharp is up to speed and see him. You will >have a place to stay if you come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Does anyone know if eggs have a lot of lysine in them? And cashew nuts? and avocadoes? and almonds? I'm sure this info can be got some place, but just in case someone happened to know! Thanks Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Nelly, Check out this link for amounts and ratios of lysine and arginine in common foods. http://herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml matt > Does anyone know if eggs have a lot of lysine in them? > And cashew nuts? and avocadoes? and almonds? I'm sure this info can be got > some place, but just in case someone happened to know! > Thanks > Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 thanks Matt, so in short it's dairy products have a high Lysine/arginine ratio plus papaya and mangoes, and nuts have a high arginine/lysine ratio, with eggs being somewhere in the middle. Nelly Re: RE[ Lysine Question>n > Nelly, > > Check out this link for amounts and ratios of lysine and arginine in > common foods. > > http://herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml > > > > matt > > Does anyone know if eggs have a lot of lysine in them? > > And cashew nuts? and avocadoes? and almonds? I'm sure this info can > be got > > some place, but just in case someone happened to know! > > Thanks > > Nelly > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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