Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Last Friday (1/26/2001) there was a good discussion about BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) on the Jim L. News Hour; it separated facts from rumors. You can read a summary of the discussion (too short though), listen to it in full, and it also find links to other reliable sites that have plenty of information. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/mad_cow.html# At this point it seems to me that it is a good idea to stay away from all supplements from Europe that are made from animal glands. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 > Last Friday (1/26/2001) there was a good discussion about BSE (bovine > spongiform encephalopathy) on the Jim L. News Hour; it separated facts > from rumors. You can read a summary of the discussion (too short > though), listen to it in full, and it also find links to other > reliable sites that have plenty of information. > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/mad_cow.html# > > At this point it seems to me that it is a good idea to stay away from > all supplements from Europe that are made from animal glands. > > Gail What about milk products such as Immunocal where the milk apparently comes from Europe? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Hey Mike, I am still searching to find more about BSE; if I come across some reliable info, I will let you know. However, keep in mind that the modes of its transfer are far from being all known at this time. I think that if you feel uncomfortable with the idea of taking any milk product from Europe and you think that you can do w/o it then just drop it until more is known. Worrying equal stress and who needs more of that. My understanding though is that Immunocal is made by a Canadian company and I am not aware that they have BSE problem there. The one important q. that bothers me ever since Friday is the carnitine supplement that I take. I have been taking the only prescribed carnitine product on the market, which is Carnitor by the Italian pharmaceutical Sigma Tau. I already found this company's USA HQ (in MD) and I plan to call them on Monday. But for now I stopped taking it until I figure out if it is extracted from animal material or is synthesized from its well-known ingredients. This kind of a question is very relevant for anything where there is a possibility that animal material is used and if the product or the raw material for the product is made in a European country. Gail > > Last Friday (1/26/2001) there was a good discussion about BSE > (bovine > > spongiform encephalopathy) on the Jim L. News Hour; it separated > facts > > from rumors. You can read a summary of the discussion (too short > > though), listen to it in full, and it also find links to other > > reliable sites that have plenty of information. > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/mad_cow.html# > > > > At this point it seems to me that it is a good idea to stay away > from > > all supplements from Europe that are made from animal glands. > > > > Gail > > What about milk products such as Immunocal where the milk apparently > comes from Europe? > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Mike, Immunocal and Imuplus do not come from Europe. It's the Immunepro that has a European dairy source. Steve B. Re: Mad Cow Facts vs. Rumors > > > Last Friday (1/26/2001) there was a good discussion about BSE > (bovine > > spongiform encephalopathy) on the Jim L. News Hour; it separated > facts > > from rumors. You can read a summary of the discussion (too short > > though), listen to it in full, and it also find links to other > > reliable sites that have plenty of information. > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/mad_cow.html# > > > > At this point it seems to me that it is a good idea to stay away > from > > all supplements from Europe that are made from animal glands. > > > > Gail > > What about milk products such as Immunocal where the milk apparently > comes from Europe? > > Mike > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 I meant to say ImmunePro (where the milk comes from Europe). BTW, has anyone been able to contact anyone at IPro to find out for sure where they get their raw materials. I believe the guy's name in CA was Keenan or something like that. Marty Zavala should have his email if she is still around. I swithced ISPs a few months back so I don't have all my old addresses. Mike (moderators: I had to log in again to reply to this message) > > > At this point it seems to me that it is a good idea to stay away > > from > > > all supplements from Europe that are made from animal glands. > > > > > > Gail > > > > What about milk products such as Immunocal where the milk apparently > > comes from Europe? > > > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 I talked to Keenan yesterday at the conference about this (the question was done as a inquiring kidding... ;-). I also asked about HOW he got into the business... The source is range feed (probably certified organic, or close to it), with no antibiotics etc used on the cattle. has sudden onset CFIDS while hiking alone at 14,000 feet. He was an electical contractor in San Diego and owned his own business. He recovered bt his own research into whey and Immunepro was a by- product of his own salvation from CFIDS. By the way, he's FULL of BOUNCE and from the point of view of any person has no signs... he does not consider doing stress (like he had while a contractor).. as he recognizes the linkage there... SOOOOOOOo.... relax, I have confidence in the quality of the product even more now that I've heard the source AND how he got into the " business " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 I just want to put this whole BSE thing into a bit of perspective. Here in Europe, I don't personally know anyone who has given up eating beef because of BSE. I eat beef, yoghurt, etc, every day, and so do millions of people here in Europe. No one in Holland, a land of 15,000,000 people has yet to contact CJV from beef. In fact, from my reading, it is still only a theory that BSE can be passed on to humans and has not been proven and no one knows for sure even how the cows get it. While I do realize that there could be a risk, it is so small if it even exists at all, that it must be very, very much less than the risk of getting killed in a car accident, and yet most of us still ride cars. We have so many other things to worry about with this illness. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Matt, I generally agree with you regarding BSE/nvCJD for people who consume only beef and dairy products, but think anyone who considers going ahead with the HGH /bGF protocol (which includes one month of CNS material extracted from cows) consider the fact that the CNS is where the disease resides, if present, and that the risk, albeit very small (there has not been a case of nvCJD or BSE in N. America), of contracting nvCJD is magnitudes greater than that incurred consuming ordinary meat or dairy products. Steve B. Re: Mad Cow Facts vs. Rumors > I just want to put this whole BSE thing into a bit of perspective. > Here in Europe, I don't personally know anyone who has given up > eating beef because of BSE. I eat beef, yoghurt, etc, every day, and > so do millions of people here in Europe. No one in Holland, a land of > 15,000,000 people has yet to contact CJV from beef. In fact, from my > reading, it is still only a theory that BSE can be passed on to > humans and has not been proven and no one knows for sure even how the > cows get it. While I do realize that there could be a risk, it is so > small if it even exists at all, that it must be very, very much less > than the risk of getting killed in a car accident, and yet most of us > still ride cars. We have so many other things to worry about with > this illness. > > Matt > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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