Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 I am trying to make sure I eat a lot of high protein foods to help with my hypoglyceima......anyone know if there is such a thing as soy bread at health food stores? I know I can make it myself but do they sell soy bread? I have checked local health food stores and nobody seems to have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 RE': your question on soy bread, there's a lot of negative info on soy out now, especially for women and Hormonal problems. Check out www.mercola.com and use the search to look up soy. There's a lot of links and negative publicity on it there for a starting place. If you need protien meat is hard to beat. If you are a vegetarian (I was but am cured now : )) your really fighting an uphill battle to get enough quality protien. Eat eggs with the yolks runny (try cracking into boiling water and cooking till the white is just done and then drizzle with olive oil) and dairy. I don't tolerate lactose so I eat all my dairy well fermented- yogurt, good cottage cheese, and fermented cheeses seem OK. We make our own yogurt, it's easy to make. But, honestly, my wife usually ends up making it. E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 , I think the n Bakery located in La Jolla makes a soy bread. All of their breads are expensive and only available off the shelf in S. Calif. but they ship it UPS. Try information for area code 858 if your interested in contacting them. There was another bakery making soy bread in S. Cal. but I can't remember their name. I haven't seen it up here in N. Cal. Steve B. Soy bread > I am trying to make sure I eat a lot of high protein foods to help with my > hypoglyceima......anyone know if there is such a thing as soy bread at health > food stores? I know I can make it myself but do they sell soy bread? I have > checked local health food stores and nobody seems to have it. > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 In a message dated 1/16/01 3:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, paleotechnics@... writes: << If you need protien meat is hard to beat. If you are a vegetarian (I was but am cured now : )) your really fighting an uphill battle to get enough quality protien. >> This is a myth perpetuated by, among others, the meat and dairy industries. I've been a vegetarian for 15 years. Getting enough protein has never been a problem. Look at the animal kingdom and specifically the non-carnivores. Ever see a horse? An ox (as in strong as..), an elephant. All vegetarians. 'Nuff said. Andy W. awigner@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 Andy, Horses, oxen, and elephants have significantly different digestive systems than ours including extra stomachs; ours being much closer to a dogs. Ever seen a dog eating much besides meat, that is untill man domesticated him and forced him to eat something else, which could explain a lot of the illnesses of modern dogs (and humans)? I kind of look at a cow as a sort of predigesting food for me, which is not ideal for me, and converting it into a food form which is. I beleive that we are all a bit different, but some people, including myself, quite clearly cannot function as well on anything but a high protein (meat diet). This has been the single most effective therapy I have tried to date. In my surfing as well as posts to this list, it is much more common to find, as and I have experienced, that giving up carbohydrates or at least restricting them, has helped more pwcs than the other way around. This is very difficult to do unless you resort to processed soy, etc. B12, something that most of us are trying to supplement in hideous doses, is almost wholely absent in a vegetarian diet, unless one plans very carefully or supplement. If you are on this list because you suffer from CFS, saying that you have been a vegetarian for fifteen years is not really a convincing arguement as to its effectiveness. However, it could well be right for you, as I do beleive that this is an area in which we all differ. I just want to make this point for others who have not looked into it. Matt > This is a myth perpetuated by, among others, the meat and dairy industries. > I've been a vegetarian for 15 years. Getting enough protein has never been a > problem. Look at the animal kingdom and specifically the non- carnivores. Ever > see a horse? An ox (as in strong as..), an elephant. All vegetarians. 'Nuff > said. > > Andy W. > awigner@a... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 I have to respond to this, because I was vegetarian for 25 years, and I've been on both sides of the issue, and listened to both sides. One of the arguments that the vegetarians were using was this very argument; that there are vegan animals that manage just fine to get enough protein, without consuming animal products. The counter argument to that is that horses and cows do not have the same type of digestive system that people do. Their systems are designed to handle the high fiber diet from grazing. They also consume a lot of insects and insect eggs and bacteria in the foods that they consume. They also have to graze for long periods of time every day in order to get adequate nourishment. They also have large abdomens that can accommodate large amounts of vegetation. People don't go out grazing all day. They don't have the right kind of digestive system or anatomy. Using cows and horses as examples doesn't fit. Neither are elephants. Want to eat like an elephant? Want to look like an elephant? Want to have the intellect of an elephant? Another argument is that primates are vegans, and they survive just fine. However, this isn't true. It's been found that primates are not vegans. They consume insects, small rodents, and sometimes larger animals in their diets. They also eat a lot of bacteria in their diets. They also have to eat almost constantly, all day long, in order to get adequate nourishment from their primarily vegetation diet. As a consequence, they have large, distended abdomens, something which humans don't have. They also have a life-span that's half or less of humans, and have a lot lower intellect, so their brains don't need as much protein as a humans. So using primates as comparisons doesn't fit. Some other myths that vegetarians promote is that vegetarians have longer life-spans. The truth is that the longest lived people include some meat and dairy in their diets. The shortest life-spans are vegans in southern India. Vegetarians may have a longer life-span than people who consume the typical western diet that is high in animal products, low in fruits and vegetables. But people from other cultures who still eat animal products, often have longer life-spans than people who eat traditional western diets. Vegetarianism is not the reason for the longer-life spans. Eating more fruits and vegetables is. Vegans have a higher percentage of miscarriages, have a higher percentage of children that fail to thrive, have more neurological disorders, with lower I.Q.'s. A lot of people experience an improvement in their health when they first become vegans, simply because they are consuming more fruits and vegetables. But in the long run, many lose that improvement, and begin to suffer other health problems. There is a high percentage of people who drop out of being vegan because they can't deal with the health problems. And these facts aren't presented by vegetarians, because it makes them look bad. Just like the meat and dairy industry is trying to make people eat more meat and dairy (which isn't good for you), the vegetarians are also trying to promote vegetarianism with myths and are misleading people in the process. About 20% of people are unable to metabolize the Omega 3 fats from vegetarian sources. They have to consume animal products that contain Omega 3 fats that are already metabolized in order to avoid some types of health problems. They simply lack the genetics to allow them to metabolize Omega 3 fats from foods like flax, walnuts and green leafy vegetables. No amount of vegetarian diet changes can correct the genetic defect. People of northern European descent tend to be in this category. Apparently their ancestors had ample access to fish and sea food that is high in Omega 3 fats, and they simply lost the ability to be able to metabolize their own over the centuries. I'm in this category. I ate a lot of flax oil, walnuts and green leafy vegetables, and I still suffered major problems from lack of Omega 3 fats. I was a vegetarian for 25 years, a vegan for the last six months of that, and when I first became vegetarian, my health began to fail. It slowly went down hill. But when I became vegan, it went downhill very quickly. I became very protein deficient, in spite of eating a lot of legumes, and nuts. And I suffered with hormonal imbalances, skin disorders, joint problems, and depression and anxiety because of the vegetarian/vegan diet that I was on. I spent 25 years studying nutrition. I'm a very intelligent person, and I tried very hard to make it work. I didn't do it blindly. I ate a very healthy diet, but I just don't have the genetics to be able to survive on a vegetarian diet. I'm not alone with this problem. There are a lot of people who face the same kinds of difficulties in being vegetarian. And unfortunately, people who promote vegetarianism fail to mention this. Many of them aren't even aware of this because nobody has told them about it. There are a lot of other arguments that I can get into - protein requirements, availability of protein from vegan sources, ecological soundness of eating vegan, etc. If we're going to be discussing myths, we need to address both sides of the issues, because vegetarians are promoting as many myths as the meat and dairy industry. lindaj@... Re: Soy bread > In a message dated 1/16/01 3:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > paleotechnics@... writes: > > << If you need protien meat is hard to beat. If you are a vegetarian (I > was but am cured now : )) your really fighting an uphill battle to get enough > quality protien. >> > > This is a myth perpetuated by, among others, the meat and dairy industries. > I've been a vegetarian for 15 years. Getting enough protein has never been a > problem. Look at the animal kingdom and specifically the non-carnivores. Ever > see a horse? An ox (as in strong as..), an elephant. All vegetarians. 'Nuff > said. > > Andy W. > awigner@... > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 > Andy, > > Horses, oxen, and elephants have significantly different digestive > systems than ours including extra stomachs; ours being much closer to > a dogs. Ever seen a dog eating much besides meat, that is untill man > domesticated him and forced him to eat something else, which could > explain a lot of the illnesses of modern dogs (and humans)? I kind of > look at a cow as a sort of predigesting food for me, which is not > ideal for me, and converting it into a food form which is. It is my inderstanding that humans are the only meat eaters with a 24 foot small intestine. Other carnivores have much shorter intestines (relative to their sizes). If I had leaky gut, I think I would rather have a vegetable leaking into my bloodstream than a piece of a cow. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 > There are a lot of other arguments that I can get into - protein > requirements, availability of protein from vegan sources, ecological > soundness of eating vegan, etc. If we're going to be discussing myths, we > need to address both sides of the issues, because vegetarians are promoting > as many myths as the meat and dairy industry. > > > lindaj@h... I have enjoyed this thread being a former 'veg' myself. However, if we don't take it back channel, I believe one of our esteemed moderators will tell us to since the subject is not an experimental tx for CFS. Differrent diets are acceptable posts, but not the veg/carnivore debate in general. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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