Oral Magnesium + Another days work.

[Guest guest]

I think oral magnesium makes perfect sense. Taking magnesium chloride

orally would be no more and much less risky than taking it by injection. I

have been writing up some things for my web page. This was what I did

yesterday. http://www.cfsdoc.org/biological_terrain.htm This analysis

shows why magnesium is important. I think it would be useful to combine it

with glutamine and zinc to reverse oxidative stress done to the body. I am

checking out places to get bulk glutamine and magnesium chloride. I am also

exploring the effects of redox potential in blood. Redox potential is

different than pH. It is a measure of H- and contributes an electron.

Free radicals are neutralized by electrons. Water with more H- forms

smaller clusters and hydrates better. I have been using a water ionizer and

have noticed that I can drink half a tall glass of water quickly, pause 30

seconds, and then drink the other half. I also bought an instrument that

measures pH and redox potential and am able to measure my ionized water at

various settings to determine that the redox potential does actually change.

I am going to try mg chloride or glycinate plus powdered glutamine with a

little zinc dissolved in ionized water every 2 hours.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ! If you are taking it orally, magnesium glycinate is the most

bioavailable form. Also, this is the only kind of magnesium not known to

cause g.i. distress at high amounts. If you look at Cheney's website, or

Carol Sieverling's Dallas/FW site

http://virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids/menu.html you will see this is the kind

of magnesium that he recommends.

Immunesupport.com has it as Magnesium Plus, and vitaminshoppe.com has

it by Vital Life as " Magnesium Complex " . It's not something you are likely

to find in the health food store (don't know why).

Personally, though I like to support immunesupport.com, because they

donate to cfids research, I think the Vital Life is the better product

because it is a capsule as opposed to immunesupport's tablet (capsule less

work for the body to access?? and no binding agents).

p.s. If you want to order from immunesupport.com, sign up for their

email bulletins. Practically every one of these bulletins has a $20 or $25

discount in it (plus they generally have interesting information on cfids).

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

First I want to thank you for all the effort you have put into your

website. Very useful information. I have two questions. How

important is it that RBC Mg be measured vs. plasma? My PCP said that

regardless of the body stores of Mg, we should only be concerned about

the plamsa levels since that is where the " active " level is found?

Regardless of how much I magnesium malate I take, the plasma level is

either outside or near the bottom of the reference range.

Second question: Are you familiar with the work of Pimental et al at

Cedars-Sinai in LA regarding their work on small intestinal bacterial

overgrowth (SIBO)? (Their published article can be seen at

www.immunesupport.com/fame . Search word:SIBO) Drs Pimental and

Wallace presented it at the FAME meeting last May. My rheumatologist

is in touch with them and is preparing to replicate their work. I'd

appreciate any thoughts you may have re their findings as I will

probably be included in the study.

Thanks,

Steve :-D

> I think oral magnesium makes perfect sense. Taking magnesium

chloride

> orally would be no more and much less risky than taking it by

injection. I

> have been writing up some things for my web page. This was what I

did

> yesterday. http://www.cfsdoc.org/biological_terrain.htm This

analysis

> shows why magnesium is important. I think it would be useful to

combine it

> with glutamine and zinc to reverse oxidative stress done to the

body. I am

> checking out places to get bulk glutamine and magnesium chloride. I

am also

> exploring the effects of redox potential in blood. Redox potential

is

> different than pH. It is a measure of H- and contributes an

electron.

> Free radicals are neutralized by electrons. Water with more H-

forms

> smaller clusters and hydrates better. I have been using a water

ionizer and

> have noticed that I can drink half a tall glass of water quickly,

pause 30

> seconds, and then drink the other half. I also bought an

instrument that

> measures pH and redox potential and am able to measure my ionized

water at

> various settings to determine that the redox potential does actually

change.

>

> I am going to try mg chloride or glycinate plus powdered glutamine

with a

> little zinc dissolved in ionized water every 2 hours.

>

>

> http://www.cfsdoc.org

> cfsdoc@p...

[Guest guest]

The magnesium experts I've been in contact with over the years say

that plasma readings are virtually useless. I know mine can be in

the normal range but the RBC be below normal AND I then get relief

from supplementation.

That's not the latest info on how to best test for cellular mag

levels or for the possible mechanism that might explain why they're

low. I've been out of touch with the research of late, and not in

touch with the mag docs and can't get to a medical library to

research it.

A magnesium loading test was what they used with me as even more

basic, but I think that just shows whether your body is wasting

magnesium via the kidneys or not, and needs to be evaluated in light

of intake and retention at the cellular level. That is, for example,

some people take in enough, absorb it intestinally but throw it off

before enough can be retained for good health. But my understanding

was that they felt I wasn't doing this, I was not wasting it, but at

the cellular level something was going on whereby I wasn't retaining

it/holding in the cells long enough.

I think that was deductive thinking. I also know that they couldn't

figure out why someone wouldn't retain it long enough, or just enough

in amount, in the cells.

So while this isn't cutting edge or sophisticated I wanted to let you

know what was said about my situation by two docs who made magesium a

big focus of their work.

Judith

> > I think oral magnesium makes perfect sense. Taking magnesium

> chloride

> > orally would be no more and much less risky than taking it by

> injection. I

> > have been writing up some things for my web page. This was what

I

> did

> > yesterday. http://www.cfsdoc.org/biological_terrain.htm This

> analysis

> > shows why magnesium is important. I think it would be useful to

> combine it

> > with glutamine and zinc to reverse oxidative stress done to the

> body. I am

> > checking out places to get bulk glutamine and magnesium

chloride. I

> am also

> > exploring the effects of redox potential in blood. Redox

potential

> is

> > different than pH. It is a measure of H- and contributes an

> electron.

> > Free radicals are neutralized by electrons. Water with more H-

> forms

> > smaller clusters and hydrates better. I have been using a water

> ionizer and

> > have noticed that I can drink half a tall glass of water quickly,

> pause 30

> > seconds, and then drink the other half. I also bought an

> instrument that

> > measures pH and redox potential and am able to measure my ionized

> water at

> > various settings to determine that the redox potential does

actually

> change.

> >

> > I am going to try mg chloride or glycinate plus powdered glutamine

> with a

> > little zinc dissolved in ionized water every 2 hours.

> >

> >

> > http://www.cfsdoc.org

> > cfsdoc@p...