Update on response to stress

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Rich

Is guai a herb? Can it be bought at healthfood stores. What are the

recommended dosages?

Best web sources?

We have no one in Singapore who does the mapping stuff so it will be a shot

in the dark along with Bravo theory

Email: justinho@...

Re: Update on response to stress

> Ken,

>

> Sorry to hear about the major stress episode and the bacterial

> flare, but glad things are back under control. I don't know if you

> have read about Greg Bravo's recent accomplishment, connecting

> glutathione depletion to excess phosphate reabsorption. I know

> that you have taken nondenatured whey protein to boost the

> glutathione, but what about guaifenesin to rid yourself of phosphates?

> I'm wondering whether you may have some abiding high phosphate levels

> in your bones. I'm still hopeful that there will be some way to boost

> your immune system so that the bugs will be permanently under control,

> without having to resort to antibiotics again.

>

> Glad to hear that you're planning to go to the Seattle AACFS

> meeting. I'm sure you meant January, not June. I'm planning to,

> also, and look forward to meeting you " in the flesh " as opposed to " in

> the virtual. "

>

> Rich

>

>

> > The last 10 days has been an experience. A week ago, Saturday, I

> received

> > notice of a criminal charge against me based on a bogus complaint by

> someone

> > who is in need of some serious professional help. The same person

> that is

> > responsible for giving Laurie three TIA (mini-strokes) last April

> from her

> > harassment phone calls.

> >

> > Needless to say, stress went thru the roof with both Laurie and

> myself.

> > Within 12 hours, I had developed a dry stress cough (by Monday AM, I

> was

> > coughing every 5 seconds - literally) that had also preceeded my

> sudden

> > onset 2 years ago, and my earlier mild CFIDS session some 27 years

> ago. This

> > dry cough is typical of community acquired pneunomia (Mycoplasma

> pneumonia,

> > chlamdia pneunomia etc).

> >

> > On Monday, we were in contact with out MD who authorized us both to

> go on

> > antibiotics immediately. The first day on the antibiotics had me

> with dry

> > heaves as the antibiotics apparently finding a large colony of

> bacteria had

> > appear in my stomach. About 6 days later, the dry cough started to

> wane.

> >

> > Laurie had a similar scenario - but with joint and back pain being

> the

> > symptomns.

> >

> > We appear to be over the health issues. Have a seasoned lawyer who

> is

> > handling the criminal charges. Stress level is back to normal.

> >

> > ---------------------------------------------------------------

> > What have we learnt? Well, the recent article about mycoplasma etc

> having a

> > 4000x growth rate in the presence of adreneline appears to be 100%

> correct

> > from our experience. If there is any stressful events in our lives,

> we will

> > likely be quickly on a short course of antibiotics quickly

> (especially since

> > we have a cooperative MD). I know that I am likely to be researching

> > antibiotics that are particularly effective against chronic

> community

> > acquired pneumonia.

> >

> > -------------

> > More later, as an FYI to all, planning to be at the Seattle CFIDS

> > conference (our MD is attending too), on June 26-29th, 2001

> >

> > Ken

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Guaifenesin originally came from the bark of the guaiac tree. Now it is

synthesized and comes in tablet form, as well as an active ingredient in

expectorants such as Robitussin, for helping to clear mucus out of the lungs.

I recommend that you check Dr. St. Amand's web site at www.guaidoc.com He gives

sources for guaifenesin, and also talks about doses.

Rich

> > > The last 10 days has been an experience. A week ago, Saturday, I

> > received

> > > notice of a criminal charge against me based on a bogus complaint by

> > someone

> > > who is in need of some serious professional help. The same person

> > that is

> > > responsible for giving Laurie three TIA (mini-strokes) last April

> > from her

> > > harassment phone calls.

> > >

> > > Needless to say, stress went thru the roof with both Laurie and

> > myself.

> > > Within 12 hours, I had developed a dry stress cough (by Monday AM, I

> > was

> > > coughing every 5 seconds - literally) that had also preceeded my

> > sudden

> > > onset 2 years ago, and my earlier mild CFIDS session some 27 years

> > ago. This

> > > dry cough is typical of community acquired pneunomia (Mycoplasma

> > pneumonia,

> > > chlamdia pneunomia etc).

> > >

> > > On Monday, we were in contact with out MD who authorized us both to

> > go on

> > > antibiotics immediately. The first day on the antibiotics had me

> > with dry

> > > heaves as the antibiotics apparently finding a large colony of

> > bacteria had

> > > appear in my stomach. About 6 days later, the dry cough started to

> > wane.

> > >

> > > Laurie had a similar scenario - but with joint and back pain being

> > the

> > > symptomns.

> > >

> > > We appear to be over the health issues. Have a seasoned lawyer who

> > is

> > > handling the criminal charges. Stress level is back to normal.

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------

> > > What have we learnt? Well, the recent article about mycoplasma etc

> > having a

> > > 4000x growth rate in the presence of adreneline appears to be 100%

> > correct

> > > from our experience. If there is any stressful events in our lives,

> > we will

> > > likely be quickly on a short course of antibiotics quickly

> > (especially since

> > > we have a cooperative MD). I know that I am likely to be researching

> > > antibiotics that are particularly effective against chronic

> > community

> > > acquired pneumonia.

> > >

> > > -------------

> > > More later, as an FYI to all, planning to be at the Seattle CFIDS

> > > conference (our MD is attending too), on June 26-29th, 2001

> > >

> > > Ken

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

Ken,

1. I might have missed this before since I simply am not able to read

all posts, but could you refer me to where I can learn of the

source/reasoning for the term " community acquired " as you use it with

respect to mycoplasma infection.

2. Are you planning to also attent the CFSCC conference being held, I

believe, at the close of the AACFS conference?

Judith

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:52:05 -0800 " Ken Lassesen " <KenL@...>

writes:

> The last 10 days has been an experience. A week ago, Saturday, I

> received

> notice of a criminal charge against me based on a bogus complaint by

> someone

> who is in need of some serious professional help. The same person

> that is

> responsible for giving Laurie three TIA (mini-strokes) last April

> from her

> harassment phone calls.

>

> Needless to say, stress went thru the roof with both Laurie and

> myself.

> Within 12 hours, I had developed a dry stress cough (by Monday AM, I

> was

> coughing every 5 seconds - literally) that had also preceeded my

> sudden

> onset 2 years ago, and my earlier mild CFIDS session some 27 years

> ago. This

> dry cough is typical of community acquired pneunomia (Mycoplasma

> pneumonia,

> chlamdia pneunomia etc).

>

> On Monday, we were in contact with out MD who authorized us both to

> go on

> antibiotics immediately. The first day on the antibiotics had me

> with dry

> heaves as the antibiotics apparently finding a large colony of

> bacteria had

> appear in my stomach. About 6 days later, the dry cough started to

> wane.

>

> Laurie had a similar scenario - but with joint and back pain being

> the

> symptomns.

>

> We appear to be over the health issues. Have a seasoned lawyer who

> is

> handling the criminal charges. Stress level is back to normal.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

> What have we learnt? Well, the recent article about mycoplasma etc

> having a

> 4000x growth rate in the presence of adreneline appears to be 100%

> correct

> from our experience. If there is any stressful events in our lives,

> we will

> likely be quickly on a short course of antibiotics quickly

> (especially since

> we have a cooperative MD). I know that I am likely to be researching

> antibiotics that are particularly effective against chronic

> community

> acquired pneumonia.

>

> -------------

> More later, as an FYI to all, planning to be at the Seattle CFIDS

> conference (our MD is attending too), on June 26-29th, 2001

>

> Ken

>

>

>

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For 'Community Acquired Pneumonia' see

http://uhs.bsd.uchicago.edu/uhs/topics/pneu.html

- What I found very interesting is the range of Etiologic agents (see

table). I suspect CFIDS's Etiologic agents may be a mirror of the

agents in 'Community Acquired Pneumonia' . The term 'Community

Acquired' is a reference to it being 'passable' - thus acquired from

the community [exact same scenario as may happen with CFIDS]

Yes - I will probably attend the CFSCC...

Ken

> Ken,

>

> 1. I might have missed this before since I simply am not able to

read

> all posts, but could you refer me to where I can learn of the

> source/reasoning for the term " community acquired " as you use it

with

> respect to mycoplasma infection.

>

> 2. Are you planning to also attent the CFSCC conference being

held, I

> believe, at the close of the AACFS conference?

>

> Judith

>

[Guest guest]

There are two things called stroke:

* transient ischemic attacks (TIA)- what Laurie had...

* Full Stroke

See

http://www.americanheart.org/Patient_Information/sstroktia.html

The symptoms matched, anticoagulants had a major effect. Our MD have

our Hemex results and knows from talking with Berg that TIA and

Stroke are probable... hence our MD has no problem with the TIA.

TIA, after they occur may leave no physical signs -- they are

transient. If they left permament damage, it becomes a stroke.

> ken how did they no laurie had 3 strokes? i asked my

> neurologist cause my syptoms seem like that but he

> said no they did a mri last month and he said that a

> few more spots should up then 2 years ago but it is

> nothing is this true? michelle

[Guest guest]

There are several classes of antibiotics that will CAUSE many of the

bacteria associated with CFIDS to grow rapidly: Cortisone,

sulfonamides, penicillin

See http://www.folkarts.com/idef/pencillin.htm

Others will surpress these bacteria, many have no effect.

So it is true that 'antibiotics cause cfs' if a MD gives the wrong

one... It is also true that 'antibiotics cures cfs' if a MD gives the

wrong one.

Just as we can say that 'cars kill people' and 'cars saves people's

lives (ambulances)'

Some antibiotics are also anticoagulants and vasciodilators.

> ken when they say antibitics cause cfs is this not

> true? also can this treatment cure your cfs?

>

[Guest guest]

Ken should i take my nerulogists word that the white

spots are nothing and i did not have a stoke our

should i see a different doc if so can you refer me

to one that could help me. alot of other people that

have cfs said they feel like they had stokes to thanks

michelle

--- KenL@... wrote:

> There are two things called stroke:

> * transient ischemic attacks (TIA)- what Laurie

> had...

> * Full Stroke

>

> See

>

http://www.americanheart.org/Patient_Information/sstroktia.html

>

> The symptoms matched, anticoagulants had a major

> effect. Our MD have

> our Hemex results and knows from talking with Berg

> that TIA and

> Stroke are probable... hence our MD has no problem

> with the TIA.

>

> TIA, after they occur may leave no physical signs --

> they are

> transient. If they left permament damage, it becomes

> a stroke.

>

>

> > ken how did they no laurie had 3 strokes? i asked

> my

> > neurologist cause my syptoms seem like that but he

> > said no they did a mri last month and he said that

> a

> > few more spots should up then 2 years ago but it

> is

> > nothing is this true? michelle

>

>

>

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> experiences with each other, not to give medical

> advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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