Re: raw foods diet

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

You asked about special diets and I'd like to say that

I agree about the amount of effort wiping out any

benefits.

I have had ME for 18 years and during the first

5(approx) years tried many diets - stone age, diets,

raw food, blended/juices, anti-candida and

rotation/low allergy. Too numerous to mention and most

long forgotten.

Apart from the obvious hassle of carrying home all the

heavy ingredients and the extra preparation time

chopping it all up there were financial considerations

such as purchasing blenders etc. Of all the things I

have attempted to try and cure the ME diets (for me)

were the single largest waste of my time, energy and

resources.

I kept trying them as people were swearing by them.

However they were a huge drain on me and badly

affected what quality of life I have left.

In the end I just stopped doing them BUT took what

small benefits I had gained and incorporated them into

my normal diet.

Regards,

Annette

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/11/00 11:22:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Peggomatic@... writes:

> Has anyone ever gone on a raw foods diet?

Yup, I have, and I have to say it is really the single thing which has helped

me the most of anything I have done, from traditional medicines to

alternative treatments. It has not cured me as yet, but it has greatly

increased the quality of my life. I should say it is the simplest diet to

prepare, too, (much easier than that candida and rotation diets I did!!!)

since there is no cooking involved!! : ) It took me a while to discover that

my body needed animal foods though, as vegetarian raw diets did not help me.

I now eat fresh fruit, very little veggies (yay - no chopping!) - although I

do juice sometimes, and raw fish, meat, fresh raw dairy, cheeses and eggs.

Sounds wierd, I know, but turly it has helped. There's info on the web on

raw or " primal " diets which include the raw meats, for anyone curious.

B.

[Guest guest]

My opinion, along with my doctor's, is that the more raw foods you eat the

better, but it gets difficult with cravings for normal food, if you spend

time away from home, and its just a hassle sometimes. Thats interesting that

a woman with CFIDS claims it made her better. I read that a man with MS

actually put it into remission with the raw foods diet. I first saw my

doctor 7 months ago, and in addition to supplements and herbs he put me on

that diet, (I could cook yams and brown rice and meat though). Within

several days my brain fog was improved and I didnt have that severe morning

lag; this was a result of the diet and nystatin getting rid of yeast. I've

since gotten about 1/3 of the way back to normal; we think its a combo of the

diet and supplements; but that the supplements take the most credit.

What you have to remember is that if you eat a raw foods diet you will

get several times the vitamins/minerals/fiber/etc as from a typical processed

& cooked diet. This is what our bodies have been designed to run on through

millions of years of being perfected by nature. IN my case i try and do it

80% of the time; being on it all the time is unrealistic. It seems rare that

food alone would cure someone, unless their only cause is food allergy; but

if its not too much hassle, eating well for a PWC is especially important

since our bodies are engaged in such a profound and perpetual struggle.

Giving it optimal fuel can only be a good thing.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I was on raw food diet for several months BEFORE I got CFIDS. I was careful

about supplementing B12, took Chlorela regularly and Lecithin, B6 etc. - and

in spite of this I got sick. Of course, many people told me " You are sick

because you didn't eat properly " . (BTW - raw meat isn't safe here)

My opinion is that what helps is changing the diet. Veggies often feel

better when they add animal protein, people on " normal " diet may benefit

from switching to a vegetarian diet.

A friend of mine had been eating according the " Blood type " diet - it helped

him but after 4 months he started to feel worse and changed the diet again

(he is very interested in diets, herbs and such and " listens " to his body)

I am not trying to discourage you but when speaking about CFIDS, there might

be a risk of too high ammount of nitrites and nitrates (remember the recent

discussion and cpt.Dave ?)

I am glad the diet and supplements help you.

Take care

Stania

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Komu: egroups <egroups>

Datum: 12. záøí 2000 19:53

Pøedmìt: Re: raw foods diet

>

>My opinion, along with my doctor's, is that the more raw foods you eat the

>better, but it gets difficult with cravings for normal food, if you spend

>time away from home, and its just a hassle sometimes. Thats interesting

that

>a woman with CFIDS claims it made her better. I read that a man with MS

>actually put it into remission with the raw foods diet. I first saw my

>doctor 7 months ago, and in addition to supplements and herbs he put me on

>that diet, (I could cook yams and brown rice and meat though). Within

>several days my brain fog was improved and I didnt have that severe morning

>lag; this was a result of the diet and nystatin getting rid of yeast. I've

>since gotten about 1/3 of the way back to normal; we think its a combo of

the

>diet and supplements; but that the supplements take the most credit.

> What you have to remember is that if you eat a raw foods diet you will

>get several times the vitamins/minerals/fiber/etc as from a typical

processed

> & cooked diet. This is what our bodies have been designed to run on

through

>millions of years of being perfected by nature. IN my case i try and do it

>80% of the time; being on it all the time is unrealistic. It seems rare

that

>food alone would cure someone, unless their only cause is food allergy; but

>if its not too much hassle, eating well for a PWC is especially important

>since our bodies are engaged in such a profound and perpetual struggle.

>Giving it optimal fuel can only be a good thing.

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't helped by a raw foods diet, but then, I couldn't stick to it

for very long.

Possible reasons why a raw foods diet could be helping you:

1) the extra enzymes you get from the food

2) the extra vitamins you get from the food

3) the fact that you're not eating processed food, junk food, etc.

So if you try raw foods and can't handle it, one approach would be to go

to a " pure and simple " diet of regular food, cooked and raw, with

vitamin and enzyme supplementation. This is how I function best. By

" pure and simple " , I mean organic whenever possible, and not processed

food - e.g., you cut up a chicken, sprinkle on some lemon juice and

herbs, and bake it, rather than getting takeout. That kind of thing.

Periodically I realize that I have allowed alot of processed food into

my life over the years (it kind of sneaks up on you ;@).

I don't do well unless I get alot of protein. But I don't have energy

to cook elaborate meals. What works for me is baking or broiling fish,

organic chicken, organic meats; organic eggs, fixed any way; baked yams,

potatoes; occasional rice and sprouted-grain breads;

high-protein/low-carb pasta; lactose-free dairy products; and trying to

eat more fruit and many more veggies.

Your mileage may vary; void where prohibited ;@)

--

el - andrea@...

(IFF " FNORD " appears - remove it from my email address to reply)

" ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the morning brings... "

[Guest guest]

I have also tried just about everything...the blood type diet,

pritikin's diet, the Zone diet, vegetarian, raw food, ayervedic...and

I eat organic as much as possible and prefer to avoid processed

foods.

With each one (except the vegetarian), I felt better for awhile, but

each one was difficult to maintain because of energy constraints.

Before I knew I had CFIDS, I would wonder why I would feel horrible

after preparing a meal, or at some point during the preparation - now

I know it's because I didn't have the energy to do it, so it was hard

to assess whether the food helped me feel better!

I try to pay attention to how my body feels after eating each thing,

but if I'm tired and/or brain fogged, it's rather hard. Our bodies

are all very different IMHO, and I don't believe that " one size fits

all " .

I agree that raw food every day is very important, and I have come to

the conclusion that moderation overall may be the best thing for me.

Simple, whole foods, some of them raw, essential fatty acids each

day, animal protein, a good variety of vegetables, and a minimum of

processed stuff and sweets.

Years ago, a friend of mine told me that her mother made her eat some

raw foods every day when she was a child, because in her mother's

informal surveys of the elderly in a convalescent center, all the

ones who had eaten raw foods regularly were cancer free and all the

ones who never ate raw foods had cancer.

Laurie L.

[Guest guest]

Most people are mising the message with the raw foods or juice

(fast) diets. In addition to getting better nutrients, it is a

way to let your intestines rest and clean out. If you think you

don't have much energy, what about your GI tract? It takes a LOT

of energy to digest a full meal, but RELATIVELY little energy to

digest carrot juice, but you get great nutrition from the juice.

The diet is no cure, but I can't imagine a juice fast not helping

most PWCs just a little. Before I started my juice fast, 1-1-99,

I had little hope. But my relapses became less frequent and the

constipation resolved. You could also propose that a juice/raw

food diet will promote better absorption of vitamins, supplements,

abx, everything you put in your mouth because your GI tract is

more efficient. It will also help leaky gut, as food stays in

the intestine less time. So those who have a big prob w/ leaky gut

MAY

get the most benefit. Robbins has a book(s) about juice fasting

that explains the benefits much better than i can, but hopefully

I have gotten across some of his ideas.

Mike

> In a message dated 9/11/00 11:22:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Peggomatic@a... writes:

>

> > Has anyone ever gone on a raw foods diet?

>

>

> Yup, I have, and I have to say it is really the single thing which

has helped

> me the most of anything I have done, from traditional medicines to

> alternative treatments. It has not cured me as yet, but it has

greatly

> increased the quality of my life. I should say it is the simplest

diet to

> prepare, too, (much easier than that candida and rotation diets I

did!!!)

> since there is no cooking involved!! : ) It took me a while to

discover that

> my body needed animal foods though, as vegetarian raw diets did not

help me.

..

[Guest guest]

I also made a good experience with juice fasting. last time I did it for

about six days and my symptomes significantly improved - but came back again

several weeks later. I find it extremely difficult to find a good long term

diet regimen.

Stania

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Od: Mike <mcamp10139@...>

Komu: egroups <egroups>

Datum: 13. záøí 2000 4:03

Pøedmìt: Re: raw foods diet

>

>Most people are mising the message with the raw foods or juice

>(fast) diets. In addition to getting better nutrients, it is a

>way to let your intestines rest and clean out. If you think you

>don't have much energy, what about your GI tract? It takes a LOT

>of energy to digest a full meal, but RELATIVELY little energy to

>digest carrot juice, but you get great nutrition from the juice.

>The diet is no cure, but I can't imagine a juice fast not helping

>most PWCs just a little. Before I started my juice fast, 1-1-99,

>I had little hope. But my relapses became less frequent and the

>constipation resolved. You could also propose that a juice/raw

>food diet will promote better absorption of vitamins, supplements,

>abx, everything you put in your mouth because your GI tract is

>more efficient. It will also help leaky gut, as food stays in

>the intestine less time. So those who have a big prob w/ leaky gut

>MAY

>get the most benefit. Robbins has a book(s) about juice fasting

>that explains the benefits much better than i can, but hopefully

>I have gotten across some of his ideas.

>

>Mike

>

>

>> In a message dated 9/11/00 11:22:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>> Peggomatic@a... writes:

>>

>> > Has anyone ever gone on a raw foods diet?

>>

>>

>> Yup, I have, and I have to say it is really the single thing which

>has helped

>> me the most of anything I have done, from traditional medicines to

>> alternative treatments. It has not cured me as yet, but it has

>greatly

>> increased the quality of my life. I should say it is the simplest

>diet to

>> prepare, too, (much easier than that candida and rotation diets I

>did!!!)

>> since there is no cooking involved!! : ) It took me a while to

>discover that

>> my body needed animal foods though, as vegetarian raw diets did not

>help me.

>.

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>