Re: pesticides and choline

[Guest guest]

,

I have been doing the choline and C for a month now, and I actually do think

I am feeling slightly better. But then, it's very hard to tell at this

point, especially since TONS of pesticides have just been dumped out here on

the East Coast for West Nile Virus, and in the study pesticide levels

actually rose during the first month of treatment. The more I read, however,

the more I think this makes sense - acetylcholine is an essential brain

chemical, and does seem to be depleted by pesticides. Interestingly, a

recent study someone passed on to me found that CFIDS patients might benefit

from l-carnitine, which also helps raise acetylcholine levels. I'm going to

do the treatment for the full 8 or 9 months and see what happens. I say it's

worth a try - it is one of the cheapest treatments I have tried, has caused

zero side effects, and might actually be doing some good. Peggy

<< Subject: Pesticides and Choline

A while back many of us where talking about trying choline and Vit C for

pesticide removal....just wondering if anyone had ended up trying it and how

it was working out? Any good reactions? Any bad reactions? I am thinking

of trying that combination since I live in the a city who uses incredible

amounts of pesticides every day. >>

[Guest guest]

: Be careful using Choline. I used it 20+ yers. ago while in college

because it was supposed to improve short-term memory (it did this and I was

able to raise my grades from 2.8 to 3.8 gpa using Choline and DMAE.

However, one or both of these products interfered with my sleep patterns.

Steve B.

Pesticides and Choline

>

> A while back many of us where talking about trying choline and Vit C for

> pesticide removal....just wondering if anyone had ended up trying it and

how

> it was working out? Any good reactions? Any bad reactions? I am

thinking

> of trying that combination since I live in the a city who uses incredible

> amounts of pesticides every day.

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/3/2000 2:08:39 AM Central Daylight Time,

lbinujrsy@... writes:

>

> A while back many of us where talking about trying choline and Vit C for

> pesticide removal....just wondering if anyone had ended up trying it and

how

>

> it was working out? Any good reactions? Any bad reactions? I am

thinking

> of trying that combination since I live in the a city who uses incredible

> amounts of pesticides every day.

>

,

I started Choline three days ago in the following formula:

Phosphatidyl Choline 1725 mg

Phosphatidyl Inositol 1050 mg

Phosphatidyl Ethanolamine (Cephalin) 1500mg

Essential Fatty acids (as Lincoleic Acid) 2195 mg

Phosphorus 225mg

Potassium 150mg

Choline* 270mg

Inositol* 165mg

*Expressed as free (unbound) Choline and Inositol

So far so good and I am taking 3 times that dosage in powder form, once a

day. I hope to work up to at least 3 times that dosage in powder form, twice

or three times a day.

No bad reactions. The good are strange. Within 5 hours of first dosage I

could feel the balls and soles of my feet and the skin between my toes when I

rubbed them. Even with Heparin I haven't had quite that level of sensation

in the feet. The next dose, my right foot felt warm and tingled as though it

was awakening from being asleep. On my third dose, six hours later, I feel

reved up, clear headed. My sight seems clearer also. Yesterday, after

second dose, I did one exercise, repeated twenty times just to see if I would

be sore or have constricted muscles today. I did not, so I added five more

light ones and did all twenty times. If I feel good tomorrow, I will

continue forward with the exercise. Usually, I hurt and tend to relapse due

to toxins. So, so far so good.

Oh, almost forgot. I feel stronger, that my body has more substance.

As far as vit. C. I take 1000mg, once a day along with my Bs, my calcium and

my multi.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

on 9/03/00 3:25 AM, Peggomatic@... at Peggomatic@... wrote:

The more I read, however,

> the more I think this makes sense - acetylcholine is an essential brain

> chemical, and does seem to be depleted by pesticides. Interestingly, a

> recent study someone passed on to me found that CFIDS patients might benefit

> from l-carnitine, which also helps raise acetylcholine levels.

Peggy et al.,

If you want to just raise acetylcholine (ACh) levels in the brain then

lecithin's probably your best bet (cheap too). The refrigerated dry

lecithin granules are the best, from personal experience. Other things

which raise ACh: DMAE (very cheap at immunesupport.com), Piracetam,

pyroglutamic acid, Hydergine, other nootropics....

Again, I think lecithin (phosphatidyl-choline, phosphatidyl-inositol...) is

the best thing to use to raise brain ACh. Taking around 30 g per day is

said to be the most effective way to increase ACh levels and thus improve

memory. Some doctors have even had good results giving high doses of

lecithin to mentally retarded children and actually raising their I/Q's

significantly.

Hud

[Guest guest]

Hud,

Where do you get your lecithin (phosphatidyl-choline, phosphatidyl-inositol)

granules?

If it has the same strengths I use in the powder, it might be a better bet

for me...meaning maybe I can get more than I am taking into my system at one

time.

Oh, a nice by-product of the lecithin that I noticed yesterday is that my

hypoglycemia is gone... and I am eating less often because I have no need and

so far I am suffering no consequence later (a crash). The inositol works in

various areas.. beside chemical poisoning and now I know that when I take

22.5grams a day my insulin resistence quickly wanes.

Ruth

In a message dated 9/4/2000 1:56:45 AM Central Daylight Time,

hudr@... writes:

>

> Again, I think lecithin (phosphatidyl-choline, phosphatidyl-inositol...) is

> the best thing to use to raise brain ACh. Taking around 30 g per day is

> said to be the most effective way to increase ACh levels and thus improve

> memory. Some doctors have even had good results giving high doses of

> lecithin to mentally retarded children and actually raising their I/Q's

> significantly.

>

> Hud

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 4:29:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

RGray80533@... writes:

<< Hud,

Where do you get your lecithin (phosphatidyl-choline, phosphatidyl-inositol)

granules?

If it has the same strengths I use in the powder, it might be a better bet

for me...meaning maybe I can get more than I am taking into my system at one

time.

Oh, a nice by-product of the lecithin that I noticed yesterday is that my

hypoglycemia is gone... and I am eating less often because I have no need

and

so far I am suffering no consequence later (a crash). The inositol works in

various areas.. beside chemical poisoning and now I know that when I take

22.5grams a day my insulin resistence quickly wanes.

Ruth >>

Isn't Lecithin most soy, or made of soy? Also, someone mentioned that

Choline might interupt sleep patterns....is anyone noticing that yet?

[Guest guest]

,

The product I take says it is Soy Lecithin. And under other nutrition

information it states: Natural Soybean Oil 2%

As far as sleep patterns, right now, for me, I couldn't say if it is

disturbing my sleep patterns. At this time of year, allergies run high and

the histamines take their toll on my system. My estrogen levels drop and I

have hot flashes. This all resolves itself by Decemeber when allergy season

is behind me again. This is the third year in a row that I have encountered

this... and I have just begun the hot flashes again and they are known to

wake up one in the middle of the night anyway. I am hoping that I can get

enough inositol--not the soy-- into my body to counter this reaction.

The lecithin I take is from SeaCoast Natural Foods -San Diego.Ca... it's Pure

Powdered Lecithin --- 97% Phosphatides... the purest and strongest I have

found -- in the right combinations for my usage.

Ruth

In a message dated 9/4/2000 7:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time,

lbinujrsy@... writes:

>

> Isn't Lecithin most soy, or made of soy? Also, someone mentioned that

> Choline might interupt sleep patterns....is anyone noticing that yet?

>

> In a message dated 9/4/00 4:29:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> RGray80533@... writes:

>

> << Hud,

> Where do you get your lecithin (phosphatidyl-choline,

phosphatidyl-inositol)

>

> granules?

> If it has the same strengths I use in the powder, it might be a better

bet

> for me...meaning maybe I can get more than I am taking into my system at

> one

> time.

> Oh, a nice by-product of the lecithin that I noticed yesterday is that my

> hypoglycemia is gone... and I am eating less often because I have no need

> and

> so far I am suffering no consequence later (a crash). The inositol works

> in

> various areas.. beside chemical poisoning and now I know that when I take

> 22.5grams a day my insulin resistence quickly wanes.

> Ruth >>

>