Re: , Dana, Cindy, more info...(Ann)

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Ann,

Here is what I was referring to concerning a " pre-existing " condition:

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From: " Devin Houston " <houstonni@...>

Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 11:16 pm

Subject: Re: Enzymes and Gastritis?

This is one of those " grey " areas. On one hand, there is evidence

that proteolytic enzymes help heal soft tissue wounds and have anti-

inflammatory properties, while removing or debriding dead tissue. On

the other hand, one doesn't want to inflict more discomfort or harm

on a pre-existing condition.

The caveat against using enzymes for chronic gastritis is mostly a

CYA thing (covering your rear!). Companies don't want to take a

chance that someone will litigate because a product caused pain or

discomfort. Whether it is really warranted or not, I'm not sure. I

have just seen the disclaimer, but never really heard of an incident

where proteases have made gastritis worse.

Look at it this way: Proteases can irritate tissues, this is known,

just put bromelain on your moist skin for a few minutes, and it will

itch, and turn red. An open sore would probably feel even more

irritated. But there is one school of thought that the clearing away

of dead tissue from a wound is helpful and promotes healing. Enzymes

were used for debriding wounds caused by burns in the late 1950's.

For your situation, I would suggest trying a low protease enzyme

product. Other enzymes that do not break down proteins, but break

down carbs and fats would probably not be irritating to her, and

could provide a measure of help in her digestion.

Sorry that this is turning out to be a long way of saying " I don't

know for sure " . I will try and find info that can be more definitive

one way or another.

Devin

> Here's some follow up info. from my previous post about whether

> enzymes should be given prior to all eating...

>

> Ben does take 1 HN-ZYME Prime and 1 Peptizyde prior to each meal.

I

> open each capsule, and mix it with about 1/2 jar of baby food,

either

> pears, pears and apples, or, occassionally just applesauce. He

eats

> it right down without a fuss. So, I am assuming that it is in his

> system, ready to go when the meal comes.

>

> Like I said previously, I have not been giving him the enzymes

prior

> to every snack, but his snacks are usually either GFCF pretzels, or

> wheat-free/dairy free Fig Newmans, so I wasn't that concerned.

> However, I am almost thinking that other things like corn and soy

may

> be more of a problem for Ben than the gluten and casein, so I do

> think I am going to try giving the enzymes prior to all eating.

>

> Now, here comes the fun poop talk! LOL! He has never had any

> digestive issues that we can tell. He has always been very

regular,

> but would have swings between harder and softer stools, with some

> minor changes in color, but I always felt it was normal stuff. He

> was never really constipated, and I can count on 1 hand the number

of

> times he's ever had diarrhea. With starting the enzymes, his

stools

> are consistently, let's say, smooth, not wet, but not really

formed.

> They have also lightened up in color considerably, and are much

more

> yellow than ever before. Does this mean anything to anyone?

>

> Also, according to the Great Plains Lab OAT testing, Ben does not

> have any yeast problems, or other metabolites. His test was

> essentially normal. I am considering a probiotic anyway, just to

be

> sure. Could this make a difference?

>

> Also, could the L-glutamine in the Pep be causing any reactions?

> With 50 mg per capsule, 3-4 caps a day, is that too much?

>

> , you mentioned that Devin addressed a pre-existing condition,

> what is it? I could not search the archives because I wasn't sure

> what to search for. Could you give me more information?

>

> Also, the hand flapping on the legs started right with the enzymes

> from day 1, and has been going on ever since (at least 3 weeks

now).

> It has not increased or decreased, but it is there everyday.

>

> I should probably note that he started an in-home therapy program

> provided through the state around the same time. They are doing

> mostly play therapy right now, because they are still establishing

> their relationship with Ben. He has therapy about 4 hours a day,

and

> for the most part seems to be enjoying it. They are working on his

> attending skills first, then will get into a more structured

program.

>

> I so want to believe that these enzymes can help Ben! His blood

> allergy work showed IgG antibodies to 28 foods, including all the

> gluten grains, corn, rice, soy, chicken, eggs, canola oil, all

kinds

> of fish, tomatoes, coconut, pineapple, among others. Eliminating

all

> of that would be near impossible for us, especially because he has

> such oral-sensory issues, and just flat out refuses anything that

is

> not what he is used to. Do you all think that if we ultimately

> decide that the enzymes are not working/helping, that an

elimination

> diet is still worth trying? Shouldn't the enzymes be doing

> essentially what an elimination diet would do? I am really

> struggling with this question. Also, I do think phenols are an

> issue, just to keep things interesting!

>

> The entire other thing is that it has been suggested to me by more

> than one doctor, INCLUDING the lab who did Ben's blood allergy work

> and our Natropathic Doctor, that these tests are not totally

> accurate. They said that I could eliminate all of these foods and

> have a completely different child, or I could eliminate all of

these

> foods and nothing would change. ly, I hate that as an

answer!

> It seems that is the answer to so many of these treatments,

> supplements, therapies, etc. Just once it would be nice for all of

> us if something helped ours kids across the board! I know you all

> understand.

>

> Thanks for the listening to my LONG rant. I'm having kind of a bad

> day. My very NT 2.5 year old threw the tantrum of his life this

> morning, and I am still recovering!!! Any and all advice/input

would

> be appreciated, as always.

>

> Ann