Enzymes and Cancer

[Guest guest]

Here is a site that has information, clinical studies and whatnot on

how enzymes are used to treat various ailments such as cancer,

tinnitus, joint disease and inflammation. Kd.

http://www.wobenzymonline.com/

[Guest guest]

Yesterday, after reading a 'report' regarding Enzymes and one particular

company's information I started thinking.

It is a bit disconcerting to me to have to enter a 'negative' aspect to a lot of

what I read. For example, would I suspect the people 'making' the enzymes to be

as biased as the drug companies in America questioning the validity of their

claims? Yes--- simply because we are regularly warned that too many so-called

'trials' are biased by the very people benefiting from the studies for which one

can often find contrary studies.

Here's one paragraph that rang the caution bell:

" The MUCOS group has since been purchased by Atrium Innovations, Inc, Canada. A

number of early studies sponsored by MUCOS, not all of them published, are

summarized in a 1996 publication.1 Leipner and Saller reviewed clinical studies

of oral systemic enzymes in oncology in

2002 and they were allowed access to the MUCOS corporate files to obtain details

of some of these trials. A number of the trials sponsored by MUCOS are in

non-English journals, and this review has made useful details of these studies

more accessible. "

An ending paragraph reads:

" There is certainly a history of mechanistic theories about enzyme activity that

are not in keeping with current understandings of cancer treatment. However, as

recent work has shown, including the articles in this special issue, there is

much more to be learned about oral enzyme therapy. "

What on earth does that mean? What is sad is our trend to 'question' everything

we read when we observe that so much corruption takes place in the field of

'research reporting' that we may be doubting very beneficial information or

accepting as gospel information that is biased in favor of profit.

As for me the jury is out and it is prudent for me to stick with the things that

seem to have unbiased reporting behind it. For example one can find supporting

data by the scientific community and the Alternative Community for things such

as Curcumin, NAC and other often used Alternative products including herbs. An

example is the herb Stinging Nettles, a medical study indicates it is pretty

much equal to compression stockings to help people with Lymphodema. It seems

to be working for my wife and imagine the benefit compared to wearing those

medieval torture devices called Compression Stockings?

Joe C.

A quote for today:

" Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing

just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said

in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine

origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what

you yourself test and judge to be true " .: Buddha - Hindu Prince Gautama

Siddharta

Not easy in practice but the message is clear. Think! jc

[Guest guest]

, I think you completely misread us. I don't think anyone is livid or

adversarial regarding the enzyme issue. Instead, I think many of us are scared

an confused.

Scared because we have been taking enzymes, and you are the first source we've

heard that says " well, hey, you are ushering in your own death sentence in a

hurry " . And confused for the same reason.

Just like you, we have no choice but to run on pure empirical observation and

(unfortunately) to a large degree on andecdotal evidence. All of the sudden,

out of the blue, we hear something that completely contradicts everything we've

heard. Of course it hits like a bombshell. How else could it be received????

And, of course, we sit here and want more information, and more evidence to the

degree possible! I mean, we're not talking about a discussion of a substance

between good and neutral or bad and neutral, we are talking about the discussion

of a substance that is either very much life saving or very much a killer!!! So

of course we want to talk about it some more and to have further discussions!

>

> There are too many on the list who want to take an adversarial or

> gnostic approach to enzyme discussions. A more rational approach

> would be a reflective approach. I think some list members became

> livid when I made a simple observation of an apparent association of

> unexplained metastasis and high doses of enzymes among patients who

> have come my way. This is consistent with much of the research on

> MMPs in both alternative and conventional research. Examples of

> alternative approaches would be the entire focus of Mathias

> Rath. That is, the primary danger of cancer is metastasis. The

> fibronectins and other stromal tissues prevent metastasis. So it

> would make sense to use almost any means possible to protect and

> build on these tissues.

>

[Guest guest]

Joe, first of all, you underwent treatment by , right? You talk about

avoiding bias factors, but wouldn't that be a big bias factor on your part?

Second, as far as non-conflicting evidence regarding alternatives, there is a

ton of conflict regarding NAC, which boils down to " should one take

anti-oxidants or not when fighting cancer with alternative methods " , and also on

whether it is good or bad to raise one's glutathione levels. There are big

arguments surrounding both issues!!!

Regarding 's statements on enzymes -- I have been studying alternative

methods intensely for a year now (we're talking hours a day) and I have NEVER

heard anything bad about enzymes until raised the issue. NEVER! Now, if

was just some average Joe on this list, I'd dismiss the statement

offhand. But he carries a lot of weight, and therefore I am now completely

confused and trying to find out who is right -- , or all the other stuff

I've read. And it is not a trivial issue -- my life may depend on it.

> As for me the jury is out and it is prudent for me to stick with the things

that seem to have unbiased reporting behind it. For example one can find

supporting data by the scientific community and the Alternative Community for

things such as Curcumin, NAC and other often used Alternative products including

herbs. An example is the herb Stinging Nettles, a medical study indicates it

is pretty much equal to compression stockings to help people with Lymphodema.

It seems to be working for my wife and imagine the benefit compared to wearing

those medieval torture devices called Compression Stockings?

>

> Joe C.

>

[Guest guest]

At 09:07 AM 4/5/2009, you wrote:

>- I have been studying alternative methods intensely for a year now

>(we're talking hours a day) and I have NEVER heard anything bad

>about enzymes until raised the issue. NEVER!

Jim, I'm loathe to say that anything is good or bad. You must ask

yourself if a medicine or strategy would help you meet your

goals. One list respondent gave consistent evidence that enzymes

might well add months of life to those who choose chemotherapy. If

enzymes contribute to metastasis then the patient might well die

before the mets become apparent. Keep in mind that the doubling of

mass time for most cancers is about three months.

This research is of no value to those who are trying to harness the

body's own healing mechanisms. These are the patients who know that

if they are clever enough and attentive enough they might just cure

themselves. We evolved to eat enzymes in our food and utilize them

to our benefit. We did not evolve to take massive amounts of enzymes

on an empty stomach. Some of these enzymes either find their way to

the tumor sites, or they don't. If they don't the question is

probably moot. If they go to the tumor site then most modern

research is highly suggestive that this could be a problem in that

they can digest stromal tissue and encourage metastasis. Billions of

research dollars are now being spent to find ways to stop enzyme

processes in tumors -- no scientist thinks metastasis is a desirable outcome.

Joe Castronovo found a fascinating, highly suggestive report that the

main company that sells enzymes to cancer patients knows full well

that there is a downside. Several years ago I talked to Nick

about my concerns. He was adamant that I was wrong without

giving any evidence or rationale. There is no room in real science

for adamant attitudes. I do want to say that several years ago Doug

Brody (RIP) in Reno asked me to make some injectable enzymes for him

for intraperitoneal use in ascites patients. The company in Germany

had stopped making it.

Your best bet in fighting cancer is to begin by paying obsessive

attention to the wisdom of nature and the foibles of human nature.