4LIfe Transfer factor and Formula 560

[Guest guest]

Well, I guess I will try Formula560 if people are really seeing results. I

heard from one person who is seeing results on this product-are there any

more of you out there who like this product or don't like it??

Also, has anyone tried the 4life transfer factor? Did it help, not help?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/00 1:41:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

moores@... writes:

<< are you going to get tested first?

steve

>>

tested for what? karen

[Guest guest]

are you going to get tested first?

steve

lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> Well, I guess I will try Formula560 if people are really seeing results. I

> heard from one person who is seeing results on this product-are there any

> more of you out there who like this product or don't like it??

>

> Also, has anyone tried the 4life transfer factor? Did it help, not help?

> Thanks,

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/00 4:45:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

moores@... writes:

<< The reason for spending all that money on 4life TF is to get rid of

HHV6(although it may also help with general immune function).

Steve >>

You mean its specifically for HHV6?

[Guest guest]

Steve:

The HHV6 test has been around for a couple years now. I think what Dr. B was

referring to was the fact they are working on a new and improved HHV6 test

which will show whether you have an active HHV6A and/or HHV6B infection. At

least that is what he has told me.

I too have had the test and it wasn't until the THIRD time that it tested

positive. Then it was HIGHLY positive. My NK cell count was a " 6 " .

I was in the first double blinded study back in April of 1999. Turns out I

was on the EBV Tf's. I was really sick for a couple of weeks then felt

better than I had in years. It was during that time my HHV6 went negative

and my NK cell went up to 70. The EBV Tf's are not available to buy,

however, they are working on it.

I then started on the HHV6 Tf's back in July of 1999. Went from one to two

bottle per month. I am now on the 3 a day. To be honest, I feel HORRIBLE.

My last HHV6 was positive and my NK cell count was " 15 " . My next apt is

Friday.

I've also had the HEMEX labwork done. Turns out I have " thick " blood. The

nurse told me he has a note in my file to talk to me about anticongulauant

(sp?) therapy. Would guess it will be Lovenox injections.

One of these days, I'll get around to formally introducing myself to the

group. My name is Debbie and I was diag. with CFS back in 1987 (or as it was

called back then, Chronic Ebstein Barr Virus Syndrome) then with Chronic Lyme

Disease in 1995. As of my last lyme test back in fall of 1999, it was

negative. So now I'm just dealing with this CFS stuff. I'll have to give

you all more history when I have the time/energy to do it. I know you all

understand.

I look forward to hearing all of the different treatments out there. Surely,

we will be well someday!

Take care,

Debbie D.

[Guest guest]

The reason for spending all that money on 4life TF is to get rid of

HHV6(although it may also help with general immune function).

Steve

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/00 8:00:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jrobinso@... writes:

<< specific against the A strain - most often when companies do claim

anything

they refer to HHV6 without reference to the strain.

Here is the answer to my question to Immunity Today (which was badly

phrased because I referred to HHV6 generically instead of HHV6a, but I

assumed they took it this way) :

-------response from Immunity today-----

b. Formula 560 has enhanced activity to a number of microorganisms to which

the cow has natural immunities. It is through the cow's natural immunity

and the manufacturer's proprietary processes, that the product has immune

enhancing activity against several viruses in the herpes family, including

CMV and HHV6.

---------------------------------------- >>

Thanks so much n for answering my question. One thing, Immunity Today

didn't refer to HHV6a when they answered your question...are you sure they

have HHV6a in there TF? ALso, are you taking it? Thanks, karen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/00 8:26:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, QBee1115@...

writes:

<< group. My name is Debbie and I was diag. with CFS back in 1987 (or as it

was

called back then, Chronic Ebstein Barr Virus Syndrome) then with Chronic

Lyme

Disease in 1995. As of my last lyme test back in fall of 1999, it was

negative. So now I'm just dealing with this CFS stuff. I'll have to give

you all more history when I have the time/energy to do it. I know you all

understand.

I look forward to hearing all of the different treatments out there.

Surely,

we will be well someday!

Take care,

Debbie D. >>

Debbie, so you seemed to have done great on the EBV tf but bad on HHV6 one??

That is very interesting. I guess you have more of a problem with EBV stuff

then you do with HHV6. When will they be out with EBV TF? Ya know, I think

Chisolm bio lab has a great EBV TF(I am taking it now and I believe EBV is in

it)...have you tried that yet? Which one are you taking now? The one from

Formula560? Has anyone else tried the Immunfactor from Chisolm? I am

actually trying it now. Anyone?

[Guest guest]

Yes Dr. Brewer told me that they inject the cow with HHV6 and that is what is

being transferred the immunity to HHV6 (at least in theory) because the product

is being sold as a supplement in cannot

make this claim. I just had my blood sent off to wisconsin today. Dr. Brewer

said there is hope that there will be an test for active HHV6 6 in the next few

months. I do not mean to be preaching

the Brewer gospel & he is the first to admit that it is all theory. He also say

for certain folks the tf factor will not work well without heparin. So you

should get berg test too. Right now I am

betting on this horse but I do not know if this is the right picture or not.

steve

lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/24/00 4:45:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> moores@... writes:

>

> << The reason for spending all that money on 4life TF is to get rid of

> HHV6(although it may also help with general immune function).

> Steve >>

>

> You mean its specifically for HHV6?

>

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[Guest guest]

,

All TF's carry immunity info regarding a range of bugs, and thus will

enhance a part of the immune process to increase the body's ability to

fight those particular bugs. This will include ONLY those bugs to which

the animal from which the TF was originally derived was exposed (or bugs

which have enough in common to be seen similarly by this part of the immune

system). I believe that most cows are not exposed to HHV6a naturally, so

the TF derived from them will not help against HHV6a unless the cows have

previously been specially inoculated with HHV6a. For a while TF companies

were claiming to do this.

My understanding is that the Immunity Today product Formula 560 IS specific

to HHV6A, but only because of the implications of Dr Brewer and his trial

of this product. The 4-life product I have seen no evidence of it being

so. Trouble is there is a lot of politics going on re TF, and all

companies are being very guarded about making claims because of legal

reasons. This means that you can not get straight answers to straight

questions.

The other confusion is between HHV6A and HHV6(unstated). It needs to be

specific against the A strain - most often when companies do claim anything

they refer to HHV6 without reference to the strain.

Here is the answer to my question to Immunity Today (which was badly

phrased because I referred to HHV6 generically instead of HHV6a, but I

assumed they took it this way) :

-------response from Immunity today-----

b. Formula 560 has enhanced activity to a number of microorganisms to which

the cow has natural immunities. It is through the cow's natural immunity

and the manufacturer's proprietary processes, that the product has immune

enhancing activity against several viruses in the herpes family, including

CMV and HHV6.

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I can find nothing on the 4-life website about HHV6a and they have not yet

answered my question on this.

n

><< The reason for spending all that money on 4life TF is to get rid of

>HHV6(although it may also help with general immune function).

> Steve >>

>

>

>You mean its specifically for HHV6?

n

Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

Canberra, Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie

Glad you have taken the step to talking on this list!

>You wrote: I was in the first double blinded study back in April of

>1999. Turns out I

>was on the EBV Tf's. I was really sick for a couple of weeks then felt

>better than I had in years. It was during that time my HHV6 went negative

>and my NK cell went up to 70. The EBV Tf's are not available to buy,

>however, they are working on it.

Can you tell me if this is the same test series as is now being discussed?

Have any results been released of this test? Do you know what products

were being trialled - is it just EBV specific and HHV6a specific?

>I then started on the HHV6 Tf's back in July of 1999. Went from one to two

>bottle per month. I am now on the 3 a day. To be honest, I feel HORRIBLE.

>My last HHV6 was positive and my NK cell count was " 15 " . My next apt is

>Friday.

This is a bit depressing! Do I read this right - you have been taking

HHV6a specific TF for nearly a year now at twice the usual dose and feel

bad or worse than when you started?

Have you tried any other significant therapies or other TF's?

n

n

Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

Canberra, Australia

[Guest guest]

> wrote: Thanks so much n for answering my question. One thing,

>Immunity Today

>didn't refer to HHV6a when they answered your question...are you sure they

>have HHV6a in there TF? ALso, are you taking it? Thanks, karen

- no I am not sure at all, but I think so! That's why I put the

actual quote in... I do THINK they do, my reason being that I cannot

imagine that Dr Brewer would be doing trials on something that did not. I

know this is not much help, maybe one of the people who have been on the

trials of this product can help?

I am not trying it yet - still trying the Transfactor product that I wrote

about earlier.

It is possible of course that the trialled product is not the same as the

one you and I can buy, so I also asked them:

--------------to Immunity Today--------------------

>2) re the trial with D Brewer - can you confirm that the TF used in the

trial is the SAME as that in your retail product - dose and type of TF?

Answer: 2. The product is virtually the same with the addition of vitamin

C and CoQ10.

----------------------------------------------------

---------------earlier email to them----

> 1 Can you tell me the results of any trials on your TF product?

There was a study done on this product last fall by a Dr. ph Brewer in

Kansas City, Missouri. The results of that study have not been published to

date. We have been told that the results were positive. We also know that,

individuals in the study, experienced diminished sypmtoms as early as 7 to

14 days on the product. We understand however that the vast majority

experienced this within 6 to 8 weeks on the product.

> 2 What viruses is your product specific against (which STRAINS of Herpes

> Virus, not just Herpes Viruses)?

The product is effective in individuals that are HHV6 positive.

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Any wiser?!

n

n

Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

Canberra, Australia

[Guest guest]

n

n of course you are right but everything we take in relation to CFS has the

same problems with scientific credibility. Immunopro, kutapressin, abx -- all of

it. It almost go without saying

that any supplement is a gamble. You rightly point out the failure to

differentiate between HHV6 a & b. No one knows for sure that this is even a cause

of CFS (or a cofactor) for that matter. The

same holds true for Bergs stuff. It is all a gamble. When I have quoted Brewer

or anyone else lately I do not mean to imply that these are scientific trues.

But the reason one would buy 560 is

because the cows have been given HHV6, If I am negative on HHV6 then that would

mean there is less of a possibility that 560 would help and spending my money on

it would be even more of a gamble.

Steve

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/00 8:26:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, QBee1115@...

writes:

<<

I was in the first double blinded study back in April of 1999. Turns out I

was on the EBV Tf's. I was really sick for a couple of weeks then felt

better than I had in years. It was during that time my HHV6 went negative

and my NK cell went up to 70. The EBV Tf's are not available to buy,

however, they are working on it.

I then started on the HHV6 Tf's back in July of 1999. Went from one to two

bottle per month. I am now on the 3 a day. To be honest, I feel HORRIBLE.

My last HHV6 was positive and my NK cell count was " 15 " . My next apt is

Friday. >>

Debbie, aren't you so frustrated that you can't back on the EBV TF? I would

be trying to get on again so bad. I think you should stop the HHV one, or do

you think it might still help?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/00 8:26:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, QBee1115@...

writes:

<< I was in the first double blinded study back in April of 1999. Turns out

I

was on the EBV Tf's. I was really sick for a couple of weeks then felt

better than I had in years. It was during that time my HHV6 went negative

and my NK cell went up to 70. The EBV Tf's are not available to buy,

however, they are working on it.

I then started on the HHV6 Tf's back in July of 1999. Went from one to two

bottle per month. I am now on the 3 a day. To be honest, I feel HORRIBLE.

My last HHV6 was positive and my NK cell count was " 15 " . My next apt is

Friday. >>

Debbie, in light of what you wrote above do you think that the new tf that

you tried and started in July of 1999 actually caused you to have hhv-6?

Just a thought because its kind of strange that your hhv-6 went positive

after starting the hhv-6 tf, if anything it should of went down?? What do

you think and how are feeling these days?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/19/00 8:41:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dlsherman@... writes:

<< hi karen! i'm not debbie d. you're writing to, but just wanted to throw

in my .02.

first of all, it's not possible to " catch " anything from the tf's, so i

hope nobody's worrying about that.

also, the current hhv6 test looks for active virus in the blood. there

seems to be a lot of false negatives. it hides, and isn't always

detectable in the blood. (this test is more reliable on spinal fluid.)

i was tested monthly (blood test) from aug '99 through jan '00, while in

the 560 trial. it was neg/pos/neg/pos, etc., all the way through. >>

Ok, thank you. So did you just go off the formula 560 because it did not

work? Its seems as though it didn't work because you tested positive still??

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

hi karen! i'm not debbie d. you're writing to, but just wanted to throw

in my .02.

first of all, it's not possible to " catch " anything from the tf's, so i

hope nobody's worrying about that.

also, the current hhv6 test looks for active virus in the blood. there

seems to be a lot of false negatives. it hides, and isn't always

detectable in the blood. (this test is more reliable on spinal fluid.)

i was tested monthly (blood test) from aug '99 through jan '00, while in

the 560 trial. it was neg/pos/neg/pos, etc., all the way through.

there's supposed to be a new test available, sometime, not sure how

soon, sorry - but no more false negatives, and it will also show exactly

how much infection.

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