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I'm not much help except to offer support. I'd suggest working from your chosen

surgeon's office. They know how to get the HMO's to refer to them.

Threats, such as " your decision is causing my husband and our family long and

irrepairable mental and physical harm " may escalate your case to their legal

department, and I've heard you can get action faster that way.

I have a friend that used to work for Pacificare and she said as soon as lawsuit

wording came from their members they rolled it over to their legal department

and they worded toward a resolution.

There have been others here that can help more.

Sandy

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> Hi everyone,

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> I'm ready to scream and so is my husband. After months of waiting, the HMO to

which we belong - Brown & Toland - in SF, finally got back to us on our request

to have an out of network specialist do the myotomy surgery husband needs. They

have refused to let us go out of network even though they have no in network

specialist for the surgery. They referred us to 2 in-network MDs who they claim

are " qualified " to do the surgery, but 2 of the MDs on the list aren't even

surgeons. The other is a general surgeon, and the other a cancer surgeon.

>

> This is all the more crazy making because our insurance company - Blue Cross

-- will cover the surgery if Dr. Patti does it, as they would consider him " in

network. "

>

> I'm so angry and frustrated and scared. We are right back at square one with

all this. Meanwhile, my husband is getting worse, losing more weight, looking

more haggard, feeling more and more depleted.

>

> I had no idea before this how much power an HMO has in the process. For once,

the insurance company is doing the right thing, but the doctors are hanging up

my husband's ability to get the right care.The HMO has been horrible to deal

with. everything has to go through the primary care physician's office. No

email, no names, no phone numbers of anyone we can contact directly at Brown &

Toland. Lots of smoke and mirrors, and we have no idea what to do next, There's

some sort of appellate process but I'm not hopeful.

>

> Has anyone been in a similar predicament? Advice?

>

> Anyone know how much the surgery costs in the event that we decide to suck it

up and pay for a specialist ourselves?

>

> Sorry for the rant. Just feeling so hopeless right now.

>

> Thanks,

> in SF

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Do you have Blue Cross or a HMO? Or is Blue Cross and HMO?

From: Sandy <sandycarroll@...>

Subject: Re: HMO Hell - advice?

achalasia

Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 10:18 AM

 

I'm not much help except to offer support. I'd suggest working from your

chosen surgeon's office. They know how to get the HMO's to refer to them.

Threats, such as " your decision is causing my husband and our family long and

irrepairable mental and physical harm " may escalate your case to their legal

department, and I've heard you can get action faster that way.

I have a friend that used to work for Pacificare and she said as soon as lawsuit

wording came from their members they rolled it over to their legal department

and they worded toward a resolution.

There have been others here that can help more.

Sandy

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm ready to scream and so is my husband. After months of waiting, the HMO to

which we belong - Brown & Toland - in SF, finally got back to us on our request

to have an out of network specialist do the myotomy surgery husband needs. They

have refused to let us go out of network even though they have no in network

specialist for the surgery. They referred us to 2 in-network MDs who they claim

are " qualified " to do the surgery, but 2 of the MDs on the list aren't even

surgeons. The other is a general surgeon, and the other a cancer surgeon.

>

> This is all the more crazy making because our insurance company - Blue Cross

-- will cover the surgery if Dr. Patti does it, as they would consider him " in

network. "

>

> I'm so angry and frustrated and scared. We are right back at square one with

all this. Meanwhile, my husband is getting worse, losing more weight, looking

more haggard, feeling more and more depleted.

>

> I had no idea before this how much power an HMO has in the process. For once,

the insurance company is doing the right thing, but the doctors are hanging up

my husband's ability to get the right care.The HMO has been horrible to deal

with. everything has to go through the primary care physician's office. No

email, no names, no phone numbers of anyone we can contact directly at Brown &

Toland. Lots of smoke and mirrors, and we have no idea what to do next, There's

some sort of appellate process but I'm not hopeful.

>

> Has anyone been in a similar predicament? Advice?

>

> Anyone know how much the surgery costs in the event that we decide to suck it

up and pay for a specialist ourselves?

>

> Sorry for the rant. Just feeling so hopeless right now.

>

> Thanks,

> in SF

>

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Thanks for your support and advice Sandy. We have Blue Cross coverage and the

physicians' network is an HMO, Brown & Toland.

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to which we belong - Brown & Toland - in SF, finally got back to us on our

request to have an out of network specialist do the myotomy surgery husband

needs. They have refused to let us go out of network even though they have no in

network specialist for the surgery. They referred us to 2 in-network MDs who

they claim are " qualified " to do the surgery, but 2 of the MDs on the list

aren't even surgeons. The other is a general surgeon, and the other a cancer

surgeon.

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-- will cover the surgery if Dr. Patti does it, as they would consider him " in

network. "

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all this. Meanwhile, my husband is getting worse, losing more weight, looking

more haggard, feeling more and more depleted.

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> > I had no idea before this how much power an HMO has in the process. For

once, the insurance company is doing the right thing, but the doctors are

hanging up my husband's ability to get the right care.The HMO has been horrible

to deal with. everything has to go through the primary care physician's office.

No email, no names, no phone numbers of anyone we can contact directly at Brown

& Toland. Lots of smoke and mirrors, and we have no idea what to do next,

There's some sort of appellate process but I'm not hopeful.

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Reading your post really brought back the nightmare of funding this disease to

us. My daughter was diagnosed six years ago at 12. At the time we were in

private practice with minimal insurance. The insurance did not want to pay for

dr snap at cal-pacific, chose the cheapest, not the best surgeon, and we had to

wait several months for treatment. On the way to her surgery, blue cross called

us to say they wouldn't cover her surgery. We remortgaged our house to pay the

bill. Remortgaged again when she needed further treatment, went through our

entire retirement savings, and finally my husband took a job at high desert

state prison, 2 hours from home, to ensure her insurance coverage and rebuild

our retirement. He is gone 4 days a week, working with murderers and pedophiles

so she can have insurance coverage . Her last series of tests and dilation at

cal pacific cost us out of pocket 2200 and that was with high end insurance. I

feel for you. You will have to make some hard sacrifices, you are not alone.

This disease defines the whole family, and you tend to pawn the future to pay

for today.

Helene

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- I was in the same boat as u in 2009. Hmo in va didn't want us going to

cleveland. And in the mean time my son became weaker and weaker. Horrible. U can

read my experience posted in archives on this site from sept 2008 to feb 2009.

We fought and with the help of the angels on this site we won! U will win also.

Please search my archive..ANGELA BAKER...I capped everything because I was

screaming too..problem with that is now I don't know how to uncap it. Haha. If u

want to talk to me please e mail me at kotacj@.... I will send u my phone

number. U will win. I remember I just kept telling the insurance company who was

trying to force us to go with their inexperienced surgeon, I'm sorry we r not

comfortable with that surgeon. They cannot make u comfortable u have to b

comfortable. Not to say surgeon wasn't nice, he was. I wasn't comfortable with

his level of experience in dealing with achalasia. Has he done 300 myotomies or

more? If the answer is no then u may dear woman r not comfortable....angela

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HMO Hell - advice?

Hi everyone,

I'm ready to scream and so is my husband. After months of waiting, the HMO to

which we belong - Brown & Toland - in SF, finally got back to us on our request

to have an out of network specialist do the myotomy surgery husband needs. They

have refused to let us go out of network even though they have no in network

specialist for the surgery. They referred us to 2 in-network MDs who they claim

are " qualified " to do the surgery, but 2 of the MDs on the list aren't even

surgeons. The other is a general surgeon, and the other a cancer surgeon.

This is all the more crazy making because our insurance company - Blue Cross --

will cover the surgery if Dr. Patti does it, as they would consider him " in

network. "

I'm so angry and frustrated and scared. We are right back at square one with all

this. Meanwhile, my husband is getting worse, losing more weight, looking more

haggard, feeling more and more depleted.

I had no idea before this how much power an HMO has in the process. For once,

the insurance company is doing the right thing, but the doctors are hanging up

my husband's ability to get the right care.The HMO has been horrible to deal

with. everything has to go through the primary care physician's office. No

email, no names, no phone numbers of anyone we can contact directly at Brown &

Toland. Lots of smoke and mirrors, and we have no idea what to do next, There's

some sort of appellate process but I'm not hopeful.

Has anyone been in a similar predicament? Advice?

Anyone know how much the surgery costs in the event that we decide to suck it up

and pay for a specialist ourselves?

Sorry for the rant. Just feeling so hopeless right now.

Thanks,

in SF

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Sorry to hear your issues. Try to make an appt to see his PCP, then tell him

that the doc who is familiar with Achalasia is out of netwrk. What they do is

write a referral to see those 2 in network MD's then those MD will refer you to

the real doc who specialize with " A " .  This is the only real good way to get

paid in-network. Also did you ever try to call your insurance CASE MGR? Try to

call  your insurance PRE-AUTH area and explain your case but really your PCP

shd

be calling your insurance and explain that those 2 in-netwk docs are not

THORACIC doc who does MYOTOMY.... Good luck!

________________________________

From: M. <lisa.anne.m@...>

achalasia

Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 10:53:37 AM

Subject: HMO Hell - advice?

 

Hi everyone,

I'm ready to scream and so is my husband. After months of waiting, the HMO to

which we belong - Brown & Toland - in SF, finally got back to us on our request

to have an out of network specialist do the myotomy surgery husband needs. They

have refused to let us go out of network even though they have no in network

specialist for the surgery. They referred us to 2 in-network MDs who they claim

are " qualified " to do the surgery, but 2 of the MDs on the list aren't even

surgeons. The other is a general surgeon, and the other a cancer surgeon.

This is all the more crazy making because our insurance company - Blue Cross --

will cover the surgery if Dr. Patti does it, as they would consider him " in

network. "

I'm so angry and frustrated and scared. We are right back at square one with all

this. Meanwhile, my husband is getting worse, losing more weight, looking more

haggard, feeling more and more depleted.

I had no idea before this how much power an HMO has in the process. For once,

the insurance company is doing the right thing, but the doctors are hanging up

my husband's ability to get the right care.The HMO has been horrible to deal

with. everything has to go through the primary care physician's office. No

email, no names, no phone numbers of anyone we can contact directly at Brown &

Toland. Lots of smoke and mirrors, and we have no idea what to do next, There's

some sort of appellate process but I'm not hopeful.

Has anyone been in a similar predicament? Advice?

Anyone know how much the surgery costs in the event that we decide to suck it up

and pay for a specialist ourselves?

Sorry for the rant. Just feeling so hopeless right now.

Thanks,

in SF

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Dear Helene! 

We too have an HMO... Healthnet.  They have been amazing.  Cameron was

diagnosed about 5 1/2 years ago. Like you on the way to our surgery the day

before surgery, they called to say they would not authorize.  Our specialist,

and the Dr. we picked and pushed for... Cameron's specialist, Dr Patti, had an

amazing assistant. He along with the Peds specialist from the UCSF children's

called to have a telephone meeting with the board who makes the decisions for

healthnet.  They were more than happy to have that telelphone conference with

our surgeon who explained to them the delicate nature of the surgery especially

with a child, and of the long term results and costs including other courses of

treatment  and their viability. They relented and approved. They have never

balked at the cost again. His surgery was well over $110K, due to complications.

Anyone who is having problems with their insurance needs to know that they can

be pushed to " insure " and provide for you. There are people who can help

advocate for you regarding insurance. There are key words to be used by doctors,

and there are newspapers, tv etc to help get them to cover you..

Additionally, you are entitled to at least 2 opinions.  get at LEAST 2

opinions.. 

most insurance companies today insist you get 2!  You are entitled to the best,

no matter where he is, too!!!!!

My code of motherhood is this.... " Don't mess with me.. and my child deserves

the best medical care money can buy and insurance is gonna pay for it! "

Carolyn Holmes

mom of Cameron..

now celebrating 5 years of happy swallowing..

May 20, 2005

From: stovall.h@... <stovall.h@...>

Subject: Re: HMO Hell - advice?

" achalasia " <achalasia >

Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 11:10 AM

 

Reading your post really brought back the nightmare of funding this

disease to us. My daughter was diagnosed six years ago at 12. At the time we

were in private practice with minimal insurance. The insurance did not want to

pay for dr snap at cal-pacific, chose the cheapest, not the best surgeon, and we

had to wait several months for treatment. On the way to her surgery, blue cross

called us to say they wouldn't cover her surgery. We remortgaged our house to

pay the bill. Remortgaged again when she needed further treatment, went through

our entire retirement savings, and finally my husband took a job at high desert

state prison, 2 hours from home, to ensure her insurance coverage and rebuild

our retirement. He is gone 4 days a week, working with murderers and pedophiles

so she can have insurance coverage . Her last series of tests and dilation at

cal pacific cost us out of pocket 2200 and that was with high end insurance. I

feel for you. You will

have to make some hard sacrifices, you are not alone. This disease defines the

whole family, and you tend to pawn the future to pay for today.

Helene

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Haha amen sister...angela

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Re: HMO Hell - advice?

" achalasia " <achalasia >

Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 11:10 AM

 

Reading your post really brought back the nightmare of funding this

disease to us. My daughter was diagnosed six years ago at 12. At the time we

were in private practice with minimal insurance. The insurance did not want to

pay for dr snap at cal-pacific, chose the cheapest, not the best surgeon, and we

had to wait several months for treatment. On the way to her surgery, blue cross

called us to say they wouldn't cover her surgery. We remortgaged our house to

pay the bill. Remortgaged again when she needed further treatment, went through

our entire retirement savings, and finally my husband took a job at high desert

state prison, 2 hours from home, to ensure her insurance coverage and rebuild

our retirement. He is gone 4 days a week, working with murderers and pedophiles

so she can have insurance coverage . Her last series of tests and dilation at

cal pacific cost us out of pocket 2200 and that was with high end insurance. I

feel for you. You will

have to make some hard sacrifices, you are not alone. This disease defines the

whole family, and you tend to pawn the future to pay for today.

Helene

Sent from my iPhone

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> ... The HMO has been horrible to deal with. everything has to go

> through the primary care physician's office. ...

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In my case, I got approval to go see the out of network surgeon for a

consult. I actually did that on my own. Then I decided to have the

surgery there and went to may PC to get it set up. His office, with some

input from the surgeons office dealt with the insurance to get approval.

I also needed another manometry test by the surgeon which needed its own

approval. A letter of approval came which seemed to be for the surgery

though it wasn't clear. Remember that manometry and myotomy can sound a

lot a like if you are not familiar with them. I was, but people we

talked to on the phone probably were not. All indications from the

hospital and the insurance company were that I was covered for the

surgery. I wondered what happened to the manometry approval but not

enough to pursue it. At the hospital, every time I was asked about the

approval I showed them the letter and they copied the info from it and

accepted it for the surgery. I woke up the next day after my surgery,

still hooked up to a morphine pump, for a phone call asking how I wanted

to pay the $30,000 for my " unapproved " surgery. More phone calls were

made. Depending on who was asked, I had been approved, or had not been

approved. Then we were told I was approved but it was not yet official

but soon would be. A couple days latter a letter of approval arrived at

home. It was a bit different form the first but still not very clear.

The first letter was of course for the manometry test. The next shock

was when the insurance company told us that $30,000 did not fit their

ideas of Usual, Customary and Reasonable (UCR) rates and so they would

only pay a fraction of the total. After a few months we found out that

there was an insurance liaison person through work. She told us not to

pay another cent and she got the insurance company to pay the total in

full.

> Anyone know how much the surgery costs....

It depends. Insurance companies get a volume discounts so what is " usual

and customary " for them is often not the price you get or they get out

of network where no volume is applied. Sometimes you can get a discount

by bargaining with the hospital or surgeon before hand. You may get the

same deal they give to insurance. Your cost may be as low as $10,000 or

as high as $60,000 but if there are complications the sky is the limit.

notan

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- I'm sorry you're going through this :(

I can tell you my insurance was billed $25k for the entire procedure including

the surgeon, but I can also tell you that my hospital stay was one day longer

than it had to be. The surgeon said I'd be in 23 hours, I was in for 2 days.

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm ready to scream and so is my husband. After months of waiting, the HMO to

which we belong - Brown & Toland - in SF, finally got back to us on our request

to have an out of network specialist do the myotomy surgery husband needs. They

have refused to let us go out of network even though they have no in network

specialist for the surgery. They referred us to 2 in-network MDs who they claim

are " qualified " to do the surgery, but 2 of the MDs on the list aren't even

surgeons. The other is a general surgeon, and the other a cancer surgeon.

>

> This is all the more crazy making because our insurance company - Blue Cross

-- will cover the surgery if Dr. Patti does it, as they would consider him " in

network. "

>

> I'm so angry and frustrated and scared. We are right back at square one with

all this. Meanwhile, my husband is getting worse, losing more weight, looking

more haggard, feeling more and more depleted.

>

> I had no idea before this how much power an HMO has in the process. For once,

the insurance company is doing the right thing, but the doctors are hanging up

my husband's ability to get the right care.The HMO has been horrible to deal

with. everything has to go through the primary care physician's office. No

email, no names, no phone numbers of anyone we can contact directly at Brown &

Toland. Lots of smoke and mirrors, and we have no idea what to do next, There's

some sort of appellate process but I'm not hopeful.

>

> Has anyone been in a similar predicament? Advice?

>

> Anyone know how much the surgery costs in the event that we decide to suck it

up and pay for a specialist ourselves?

>

> Sorry for the rant. Just feeling so hopeless right now.

>

> Thanks,

> in SF

>

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