Re: Symptoms from taking Immunopro

[Guest guest]

As digestion problems is common with CFIDSers, you may (as a personal

experiment) wish to try bromelain with it (a digestive enzeme). It may help with

digestion. Also, you may wish to try it with plain yogurt (un-sweeten with no

fruit) -- this is compatible with the whey and may also help.

----- Original Message -----

From: WeebsterCA@...

Any feedback?

[Guest guest]

you are not supposed to take digestive enzymes with whey products. you are

not even supposed to eat because this would cause you to produce more

digestive enzymes that would then break down the whey in the stomach, to say

nothing of taking a digestive enzyme with it.

[Guest guest]

From: " Ken Lassesen " <KenL@...>

As digestion problems is common with CFIDSers, you may (as a personal

experiment) wish to try bromelain with it (a digestive enzeme). It may help with

digestion. Also, you may wish to try it with plain yogurt (un-sweeten with no

fruit) -- this is compatible with the whey and may also help.

Ken,

I thought I understood that we were supposed to take the whey without

any digestion aids/food in order for it to be effective. What did I miss (as

usual)?

-Theresa

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Glad you were able to get hold of some ImmunoPro.

>I havne't been following the Immunopro postings (or much other mail) very

>much except to note that others are trying it. I have been taking it almost

>two weeks now I think and while a few symptoms have improved, it hurts my gut

>(gas and pain) and is causing a bout of horrible insomnia again. I was told

>the gas was a possibility for short term as the body adjusts, but I have cut

>down to even just 1/4 teasp. once a day, but still get the syptoms. When I

>dont take it for a few days, I feel and sleep better. Anyone else getting

>that?

I am still taking Immunocal, not ImmunoPro, but I imagine the side effects

would be similar. I had to start with 1/4 teaspoon Immunocal and stayed on

that dose for three or four months. Recently I went up to 1/2 tsp. But

Immunopro is more concentrated, so in order to cut the dose as low as I

did, you will need to take less. (Half, I think.) You might try going off

of it for a week or two until your sleep resumes, and then take 1/8 tsp.

with yogurt. I mix mine with yogurt, puffed millet (breakfast cereal), and

rice milk and eat that for breakfast every morning. I did have some

insomnia when I started with 1/4 tsp but it was manageable and very slowly

improved with time.

>I could continue, assuming it was detoxing, but with the insomnia, I'm

>just not sure it's a great idea.

Even if it is from detoxing, it may be more toxicity than you can handle

without making yourself worse. At least that's how I approach it when

deciding my own dosage. I know the detoxing is a long-term process, and I

need to be able to handle the side effects long term without getting too

sick to bounce back. I have also noticed that if I raise the does too high

I feel really stressed out emotionally--kind of wound up and upset. It took

me a while to figure out that it was from the Immunocal.

I don't know about the stomach problems. I had nausea when I took it with

just water which is why I started putting it on my breakfast. Good luck!

Corina

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[Guest guest]

hi wendy, intially alot of sysmtoms from immunocal , so lowered dose to one

level tsp and slowly worked my way up dose wise... stopped lose stools,

cogntive promblems, elevated tempearture etc. as detoxing too fast. good luck

somish

[Guest guest]

The ideal situation is with nothing else than distilled water (not even

compatible milk products - if I remember the earlier Cheney's words) -- but in

the scenario of NOT having any, or having a (unknown) compromised whey... I will

alway go for the compromised...

The least compromise is with plain yogurt (no sugar, no fruit).. since it is

'compatible' per Imuplus...

The next least may be with bromelain -- having a single ingrediant digestive

aid is probably better than the " Digestive Aid " that is created by custom mixing

a half dozen enzyemes... the chances are something in the list of enzyemes is

likely to adversely interact...

Again, trying to find compromises with the reality we live with...

KenL

----- Original Message -----

From: Theresa Romani

Ken,

I thought I understood that we were supposed to take the whey without

any digestion aids/food in order for it to be effective. What did I miss (as

usual)?

-Theresa

[Guest guest]

As an FYI: Were there any symptoms that are not listed at

http://www.folkarts.com/idef/herxheimer.htm

as being " herx " ing?

Ken Lassesen

2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC

2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/

4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/

Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (Netmeeting too)

----- Original Message -----

From: SOMISH@...

hi wendy, intially alot of sysmtoms from immunocal , so lowered dose to one

level tsp and slowly worked my way up dose wise... stopped lose stools,

cogntive promblems, elevated tempearture etc. as detoxing too fast. good luck

somish

[Guest guest]

Oops... I meant to say for THOSE OF WHO YOU WITH SYMPTOMS FROM WHEY..

Were there of THESE symptoms that are not listed at

http://www.folkarts.com/idef/herxheimer.htm

as being " herx " ing?

Ken Lassesen

2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC

2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/

4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/

Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (Netmeeting too)

----- Original Message -----

From: SOMISH@...

hi wendy, intially alot of sysmtoms from immunocal , so lowered dose to one

level tsp and slowly worked my way up dose wise... stopped lose stools,

cogntive promblems, elevated tempearture etc. as detoxing too fast. good

luck