RE: Re: Enzymes and Probiotics - how are they related, if at all?

[Guest guest]

I had a two day episode of tantrum behavior increase (part of my guy's

challenges when he's off kilter) when we started the probiotics. Now it's

really helped with his bowels not being so loose...the enzymes tightened

things up even more...and brought the tantrums down to not having been

achieved levels in over 6 months...I too would guess it could be the yeast

die off...

lynn in md

[Guest guest]

Hey, Thanks for thinking of me!

Well, I think I've tried both the most expensive/most # of " live "

organisms/most designed for autism and lots of other probiotics... It's

gotten to the point that if Z is having a bad day, my hubby will say " you

didn't put him on probiotics again, did you? " . I think the only way to

find out conclusively what to do is to have testing done to see what

strains he has in his gut (which we will be doing in July, after we see Dr.

Amy Holmes), then take her suggestions of what to use, plan it for a week

when nothing's going on that he needs to have good behavior for, start with

low dosages and just ride it out for at least a week. It could still be a

die-off, but I don't know, because I don't know what the situation is in

his gut at this point. Please DO let me know which brand you had success

with. The one I was able to give him successfully when he was just a

little guy were called Babydophilus. The ones I've tried with problems

include Culturelle, Pro Bio Gold, Vital Health Acidophilus, Jarrow

Baby-acidophilus and maybe others, can't remember. Maybe there's something

wrong with the way I'm giving it -- what's the conventional wisdom for

probiotics, with food or without, anyone know?

Terri

At 03:21 PM 6/18/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Terri, I just got in this group so I hope this gets to you. I wanted

>to share a small exp. I had. We started using a brand because I

>learned my son had a chronic yeast infection.(can I say the brand

>name? - it was definately the most expensive but had the most

>strains - 12) and immediately 's stool became formed and we

>saw other improvements (this did take place before I started using

>enzymes). At one time, I ran out and bot a cheaper brand. Almost

>immediately my son became agitated, angry, etc. After about 2 wks, I

>switched back and he became pleasant again. For us, it was the brand

>(number of strains). I am now starting to consider not taking it but

>wonder if anyone else has had a similar short-term use of probiotics.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

400 mg of magnesium 3 times a day? How much does your child weigh? That sounds

like a lot. What benefits are you seeing with that large a dose, I was told more

than 400 mg a day would cause diarrhea. Just curious.

[ ] Re: Enzymes and Probiotics - how are they related,

if at all?

Yes, you can mention brand names. Please share what you have found to

be so helpful!

My experience has been most evident with my younger son whose gastro-

bowel problems have been an constant source of irritation for years.

I gave him Culturelle 3 times a day for 4 weeks. He got better. Then

I switched to Probio Gold once a day because it has more strains. At

that same time I also gave a product called Reuteri which contains

another good bacteria that is effective once a day (and it was on

sale). My pharmacist recommended another product called Florajen

which contains 10 billion/capsule of the following three:acidophilis,

bifidum, longum. I rotated this product in with the others attempting

to get a nice balance.

Really, after 3-4 weeks on this system, he seemed worse. So I am

going back to Culturelle at least once a day and one of the other

products once a day. It is a bit more expensive, but if it works -

and the other combination was not as effective - then it is worth it.

Also, my son has the " leaking " problem. What I am trying is to 1)put

him back on Culturelle, 2) give him 400 mg of Mag. 3 times a day with

extra water, and 3) give him two extra Peptizydes/day. The idea is to

dissolve all the " gunk " built up in his system, keep stools loose and

moving. Also recommended was to have him sit on the potty 10 minutes

after breakfast and dinner for 10 minutes each, to get his system re-

trained for bowel movements.

.

[Guest guest]

The question was asked in this past posting if probiotics should be taken

" with or without foods " . This question has been the subject of great debate

with many health practitioners. Some suggest that probiotics be taken on an

empty stomach (between meals) and other advise that they be taken with food

and/or beverages.

For the answer we have consulted with several microbiologist who are in

agreement with the recommendation that for optimal results probiotics should

be taken with meals. It has been suggested that live microorganisms have

three requirements which allow them to grow and set up residence in the

gastrointestinal tract. These include the need for (1.) shelter, (2.) warmth

and (3.) a food source. When taken with meals these friendly bacteria are

afforded some protection and are buffered from the stomach acids as they

make their way to the small intestine with their objective of adherence and

colonization of the GI mucosal membrane.

When these live friendly flora are traveling through the intestinal tract

(in companionship with food) they have a warm environment as well as a

source of nutrients allowing them to proliferate. These conditions all favor

the survival of these health-promoting bacteria so that they can colonize

the gastrointestinal tract and exert a positive influence in intestinal

health.

There may be some medical conditions or medications that will prevent

individuals from taking probiotics with meals. In these instances the

experts suggest that the live bacteria be taken between meals with an

adequate amount of water to dilute and then move/flush them through the

residual stomach acids and into the intestinal tract.

This being said, it is important to chose a probiotic formulation that

contains strains that have a high tolerance for acids and bile salts. Not

all probiotic strains meet this criteria and it is important to ask the

manufacturer to provide you with scientific studies and support

documentation regarding tolerance to acids and bile salts. This is only one

of many qualities that are important in choosing a probiotic that will

provide health promoting benefits.

Ilene

[ ] Re: Enzymes and Probiotics - how are they

related, if at all?

Terri, I use Essential FOrmulas - 12 strains of bacteria.

> >Terri, I just got in this group so I hope this gets to you. I

wanted

> >to share a small exp. I had. We started using a brand because I

> >learned my son had a chronic yeast infection.(can I say the brand

> >name? - it was definately the most expensive but had the most

> >strains - 12) and immediately 's stool became formed and we

> >saw other improvements (this did take place before I started using

> >enzymes). At one time, I ran out and bot a cheaper brand. Almost

> >immediately my son became agitated, angry, etc. After about 2

wks, I

> >switched back and he became pleasant again. For us, it was the

brand

> >(number of strains). I am now starting to consider not taking it

but

> >wonder if anyone else has had a similar short-term use of

probiotics.

> >

> >

> >