RE: Re : Dr salvato/blood tests

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>[Patti:] Mark reports on lots of PWAs with horrid T4/T8 tests, but strong

NK

>function that " spontaneously " go from full-blown AIDS to completely HIV

>negative (even in repeated tests.

Yes, his reports are fascinating and very encouraging. I read an article by

Dr. Salvato (I would be glad to share it) about her AIDS work and the

current state is the ability to put HIV in remission (disable the virus from

replicating) and boost the immune system to normal functioning. It is not a

cure but allows the person to live a full, HEALTHY life! What more can one

ask for?

My opinion(please don't flame me) is that HIV is EXACTLY the same PROCESS

(not disease) as CFIDS - we have an immune dysfunction just a slightly

different one. HIV is a more damaging virus in that the cells it infects

are the lymphocytes so the immune system is rendered helpless. There are

other viruses as damaging like the ebola and HHV-6A. I feel there is much

to gain by reviewing solid AIDS research.

If people with HIV or AIDS can live normal, healthy, productive lives, WHY

CAN'T WE?!?!?

I picked up an AIDS magazine while I was waiting for Dr. Salvato and I read

articles about the psychological effects of switching from " What am I going

to do... I'm dying from AIDS/HIV? " to " Now what am I going to do, I going to

live! " . There were advertisements for long term financial planning " for the

unique needs of AIDS survivors with varying health expenses " stressing that

the unique part was their fluctuating medical costs NOT THAT THEY WERE

SURVIVING! WOW! This hit me like a tons of bricks - they're onto

something!

>[Patti:] I thought about looking for an AIDS docs too, but decided against

>it. These stupid docs are getting splinters from scratching their heads

>trying to figure out why PWAs are dying when they have perfect T4/T8

tests!!

ROFL!!! But seriously, wouldn't there be informed AIDS docs along with

uninformed ones as there is in every profession? What other specialities

are there that know about the complexities of the immune system? Perhaps

this is not required - Dr. Salvato is Internal Medicine. I wonder what

Cheney, Nicholson, Lapp, Bell, and Vojdani are?

Thinking out loud here.....

Marty Zavala

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[Patti: ] OK, I'm pretty ticked off now, my mailer crashed 3 times in trying

to respond to this message. Here's hoping I can answer this time without

loosing everything. I've had a simply TERRIBLE time ever since onelist

started appending adverts. Has anyone else? I can't format my responses

anymore, I can't precede quoted bits with > anymore, and my mailer keeps

crashing (never did before). I think onlist has problems with their code.

Is anyone else having these problems?

Yes, his reports are fascinating and very encouraging. I read an article by

Dr. Salvato (I would be glad to share it)

[Patti: ] Please do.

My opinion(please don't flame me) is that HIV is EXACTLY the same PROCESS

(not disease) as CFIDS -

[Patti: ] I agree.

we have an immune dysfunction just a slightly

different one. HIV is a more damaging virus in that the cells it infects

are the lymphocytes so the immune system is rendered helpless. There are

other viruses as damaging like the ebola and HHV-6A. I feel there is much

to gain by reviewing solid AIDS research.

[Patti: ] There has been much pioneering in the AIDS community that we

should be able to use as a scaffold at least.

If people with HIV or AIDS can live normal, healthy, productive lives, WHY

CAN'T WE?!?!?

[Patti: ] We should, but there must be other factors. I went into a long

explanation of what I think these other factors are, but since my mailer

crashed 3 times and I lost all I wrote, don't have the heart to go into it

again.

I picked up an AIDS magazine while I was waiting for Dr. Salvato and I read

articles about the psychological effects of switching from " What am I going

to do... I'm dying from AIDS/HIV? " to " Now what am I going to do, I going to

live! " . There were advertisements for long term financial planning " for the

unique needs of AIDS survivors with varying health expenses " stressing that

the unique part was their fluctuating medical costs NOT THAT THEY WERE

SURVIVING! WOW! This hit me like a tons of bricks - they're onto

something!

[Patti: ] This is especially true once you've been disabled for over a year.

Assuming you have a complete recovery, how do you get a job when you've been

out of it for so long? In my job you're hopelessly out of date in 6 months.

>[Patti:] I thought about looking for an AIDS docs too, but decided against

>it. These stupid docs are getting splinters from scratching their heads

>trying to figure out why PWAs are dying when they have perfect T4/T8

tests!!

ROFL!!! But seriously, wouldn't there be informed AIDS docs along with

uninformed ones as there is in every profession?

[Patti: ] Yes, its just that good ones are hard to find in this speciality

too. See Nelly's experience with stupid, hard-nosed AIDS doc. I've talked

to a couple others who had similar experiences with AIDS docs. Perhaps

should call Mark for doc suggestions?

What other specialities

are there that know about the complexities of the immune system? Perhaps

this is not required -

[Patti: ] I got some help from a doc whose speciality was emergency medicine

(of all things). Unfortunately he was so disorganized and lazy that he

ceased being of help to me. Right now, my gyn is being the most helpful.

She is going way outside her speciality trying to help those with CFS and

FM, but she's the best I've got in Denver. Allergists SHOULD know a lot

about the immune system, but they don't. I had a telephone consult with Dr.

that I'm very excited about and his speciality is anti-aging

medicine, and I'm going to see Dr. Donovan in the middle of the

desert and he's just a good old country doc, but knows LOTS about stealth

viruses.

Patti

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>From: " Skari, M " <SkariPM@...>

> Perhaps >should call Mark for doc suggestions?

Excellent idea. I may ask he keeps a list of " Good Doctors " . I am going to

purchase his latest edition of " How to Restore Immune Dysfunction " . Has

anyone read any of the editions?

>I had a telephone consult with Dr.

> that I'm very excited about and his speciality is anti-aging

>medicine, and I'm going to see Dr. Donovan in the middle of the

>desert and he's just a good old country doc, but knows LOTS about stealth

>viruses.

A thought came to me today - I'm sure you have thought of this already.

Perhaps you can have Dr. fax you a script for the NK function which

you can have done at any lab. I had another thought. Maybe Dr. can

write a script for glut/atp/PROCAINE since you feel they are more effective.

Worth a try!

Marty Z.

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I am going to

purchase his latest edition of " How to Restore Immune Dysfunction " . Has

anyone read any of the editions?

[Patti:] Yes, I have Mark's book. There is not a whole lot of info more

than what is collectively on his web site, but was very useful for me to

take it in to one of my doctors (all the info in one book, rather than

scattered throughout many newsletters). I highlighted the book and used

sticky notes to draw his attention to certain areas. It was only in this

manner I was able to get an NK function done, and try ATP/Glut (Mark talks

about Dr. Salvato). The book also has info on how to use DNCB.

A thought came to me today - I'm sure you have thought of this already.

Perhaps you can have Dr. fax you a script for the NK function which

you can have done at any lab. I had another thought. Maybe Dr. can

write a script for glut/atp/PROCAINE since you feel they are more effective.

[Patti:] That's a good idea. I better put that on a list so I don't forget

it next time I talk to him.

Patti

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