Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

[Guest guest]

At 03:23 PM 11/5/99 -0000, you wrote:

>From: marlakc@...

>

>Area #2 of Questions:

>#2- I have a designer Whey Protein supplement sitting in my closet. Is

>there anything totally special about Immunocal that adds the amino acid/

>immune support to your system, or can any good small particle Whey Protein

>supplement induce a similar response?

>

No, I have tried several of these other whey powders and they are not even

close. The Immunocal and Imuplus are the only ones careful about heat,

oxidation, packaging, etc. Imuplus is changing my life right now after just

one and a half weeks. It supplies the precursers to gluathione and lets you

body make what it needs, where it needs it, so might replace or do a better

job than the shots, but I haven't tried the shots.

Hess

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Have you tried Life EXtension Foundations 'Life Extension Enhanced Protein'

which is also a concentrated low temperature processed whey product? It's

what I am starting now (as it is alot cheaper than Imuplus, about

$35/month).

Regards, .

Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>

> At 03:23 PM 11/5/99 -0000, you wrote:

> >From: marlakc@...

> >

> >Area #2 of Questions:

> >#2- I have a designer Whey Protein supplement sitting in my closet. Is

> >there anything totally special about Immunocal that adds the amino acid/

> >immune support to your system, or can any good small particle Whey

Protein

> >supplement induce a similar response?

> >

> No, I have tried several of these other whey powders and they are not even

> close. The Immunocal and Imuplus are the only ones careful about heat,

> oxidation, packaging, etc. Imuplus is changing my life right now after

just

> one and a half weeks. It supplies the precursers to gluathione and lets

you

> body make what it needs, where it needs it, so might replace or do a

better

> job than the shots, but I haven't tried the shots.

>

> Hess

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am not familiar with that one. What can you tell me about it?

Do you notice a difference in taking it?

How do they define low temperature?

Is it in bulk powder or packets? Bulk will oxidize and you will notice it

getting weaker.

Regards,

At 06:30 PM 11/5/99 -0800, you wrote:

>From: " Leckie " <leckie@...>

>

>Hi ,

>

>Have you tried Life EXtension Foundations 'Life Extension Enhanced Protein'

>which is also a concentrated low temperature processed whey product? It's

>what I am starting now (as it is alot cheaper than Imuplus, about

>$35/month).

>

>Regards, .

>

>

>

> Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

>

>

>> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>>

>> At 03:23 PM 11/5/99 -0000, you wrote:

>> >From: marlakc@...

>> >

>> >Area #2 of Questions:

>> >#2- I have a designer Whey Protein supplement sitting in my closet. Is

>> >there anything totally special about Immunocal that adds the amino acid/

>> >immune support to your system, or can any good small particle Whey

>Protein

>> >supplement induce a similar response?

>> >

>> No, I have tried several of these other whey powders and they are not even

>> close. The Immunocal and Imuplus are the only ones careful about heat,

>> oxidation, packaging, etc. Imuplus is changing my life right now after

>just

>> one and a half weeks. It supplies the precursers to gluathione and lets

>you

>> body make what it needs, where it needs it, so might replace or do a

>better

>> job than the shots, but I haven't tried the shots.

>>

>> Hess

>> >

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Some bits from LEF's website:

" A new processing method using a low temperature micro filtration technique

results in the production of a 99% undenatured whey protein isolate that

retains all the important subfractions such as lactoferrin.

The Enhanced Life Extension Protein supplement contains 1005 whey protein

isolate plus added lactoferrin. The whey protein isolate is made using a

process known as Cross Flow Microfiltration, which produces an isolate that

is 90% protein, 99% of it in the bioavailable undenatured form, and retains

all important subfractions in their natural ratios. This new whey protein

isolate contains high amounts of calcium, low amounts of sodium and added

Bioferrin tm which is a 95% pure bioactive form of lactoferrin. The Enhanced

Life Extension Protein has up to 300% more lactoferrin than other whey

protein supplements on the market. "

&

" Third-Generation Whey Protein Supplement

The science of whey protein manufacturing and processing has been growing by

leaps and bounds in the past several years. Whey has gone from a low-grade

waste product that dairy farmers simply dispose of to a high-grade protein

with many health-improving and disease-fighting abilities.

The Life Extension Foundation has kept up with these improvements in

technology and has incorporated them into a new Enhanced Life Extension

Protein.

Over the past few decades, whey protein powders have evolved through several

generations. These early whey protein products contained as little as 30 to

40 percent protein, and contained high amounts of lactose, fat and

undenatured proteins. They were considered a " concentrate, " and were used

mostly by the food industry for baking and other uses.

Most products sold today would be considered second-generation whey protein

supplements, including the former Life Extension Protein formula. Most

second-generation formulas are a mix of whey concentrates and whey isolates.

Today, however, whey concentrates contain as much as 70 to 80 percent

protein, with small amounts of lactose and minimal fats, and generally

contain as much as 90 to 96 percent undenatured proteins. This is important,

because research has found that only whey proteins in their natural,

undenatured state have biological activity.

Processing whey protein to remove the lactose and fats without losing the

biological activity takes special care by the manufacturer. The protein must

be processed under low temperature and/or low acid conditions so as not to

" denature " the protein, which is essential to whey's anti-cancer and

immune-simulating activity.

Most second-generation whey products are mixed with a whey isolate to bring

up the protein content per serving. Whey isolates contain more than 90

percent protein content with minimal lactose and no fat. Most isolates sold

are made by taking a concentrate and running it through what is called an

" ion exchange " column to get an " ion exchange whey isolate. " It may sound

impressive, but there are serious drawbacks to this method. Whey protein is

a complex protein. It is made up of many sub-fraction peptides that have

their own unique effects on health. Some of these sub-fractions are only

found in very small amounts, but have amazing disease-fighting and

health-promoting abilities.

Due to the nature of the ion-exchange process, the most valuable and

health-promoting components are selectively depleted. Though the protein

content is increased, many of the most important sub-fractions are lost or

greatly reduced. This makes ion exchange isolates a poor choice for a true

third-generation whey protein supplement (though most companies still use it

as their isolate source).

With the amazing array of new manufacturing and processing techniques used

to make whey isolates, manufacturers can now make what appears to be optimal

whey isolates for health and disease prevention.

As you would expect, these high-tech whey isolates are more than twice the

price per pound than the most expensive whey concentrates, which is why very

few companies will sell these isolates alone but will mix them with large

quantities of the much less-expensive concentrates.

Another new development in the processing of whey proteins is the ability to

isolate out certain bio-active sub-fractions (peptides), such as lactoferrin

or glycomacropeptide, from whey proteins. This was not possible to do on a

large scale just a few years ago, but can be done today with modern

filtering technique employed by a small number of companies.

This allows for a truly tailored protein supplement, and the ability to add

back in certain sub-fractions in amounts that can't be found in nature. For

example, the sub-fraction lactoferrin is nonexistent in many whey products

due to the type of processing employed. The best whey products will contain

less than 1 percent lactoferrin, and more like 0.5 percent of this rare but

important micro fraction.

The new Enhanced Life Extension Protein supplement employs only

third-generation technologies. It contains 100 percent whey isolates with

added lactoferrin. The whey isolates are made using a process known as cross

flow microfiltration (CFM), which produces an isolate that is greater than

90 percent protein, is greater than 99 percent undenatured, and retains all

important sub-fractions in their natural ratios with no fat or lactose.

CFM is a natural non-chemical process that employs high-tech ceramic

filters, unlike ion exchange which involves the use of chemical regents such

as hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide. CFM whey isolate also contains

high amounts of calcium and low amounts of sodium.

In addition, the Enhanced Life Extension protein contains added Bioferrin,

which is a greater-than-95 percent pure bioactive form of lactoferrin.

Recent research has shown lactoferrin is a strong antioxidant, has

anti-microbial and anti-viral properties, and might be a powerful immune

stimulant.

Because of the CFM process and the added Bioferrin, the Enhanced Life

Extension Protein has up to 300 percent more lactoferrin than other whey

protein supplements on the market, and is perhaps the only whey protein

supplement with added lactoferrin. "

There is more on their website www.lef.org

It is in bulk form. How quickly does whey break down if not protected from

outside air?

Regards,

Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am not familiar with that one. What can you tell me about it?

> Do you notice a difference in taking it?

> How do they define low temperature?

> Is it in bulk powder or packets? Bulk will oxidize and you will notice it

> getting weaker.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

>It is in bulk form. How quickly does whey break down if not protected from

>outside air?

>

, People say it starts breaking down as soon as you open the container

and can taste and feel the difference before you are finished with the

contrainer. Nevertheless, this sounds like a better product than all the

others besides immunocal and imuplus. In my experience, trying to save money

is usually a waste of money and a strain on the body. In any case, I always

compare brands based on the immediate feedback I get from using them.

Imuplus is helping so much and raved about so highly that I think I will

just stick to it, but I woul like to hear about results you get from LEF.

>

> Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

>

>

>> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>>

>> Hi ,

>>

>> I am not familiar with that one. What can you tell me about it?

>> Do you notice a difference in taking it?

>> How do they define low temperature?

>> Is it in bulk powder or packets? Bulk will oxidize and you will notice it

>> getting weaker.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Since I'm on a massive 2 level teaspoons (even that made me feel bad at

first) it's a bit early to tell. I plan to slowly work up. Were you able to

take the full dose right away?

I may stop being a cheapskate and buy the imuplus once I finish this bottle

(it's a *huge* 1 kilogram monster).

Regards, .

Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>

>

> >It is in bulk form. How quickly does whey break down if not protected

from

> >outside air?

> >

> , People say it starts breaking down as soon as you open the container

> and can taste and feel the difference before you are finished with the

> contrainer. Nevertheless, this sounds like a better product than all the

> others besides immunocal and imuplus. In my experience, trying to save

money

> is usually a waste of money and a strain on the body. In any case, I

always

> compare brands based on the immediate feedback I get from using them.

> Imuplus is helping so much and raved about so highly that I think I will

> just stick to it, but I woul like to hear about results you get from LEF.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:35 PM 11/6/99 -0800, you wrote:

>From: " Leckie " <leckie@...>

>

>Thanks ,

>

>Since I'm on a massive 2 level teaspoons (even that made me feel bad at

>first) it's a bit early to tell. I plan to slowly work up. Were you able to

>take the full dose right away?

Half a pack of imuplus is 5 grams.

>

>I may stop being a cheapskate and buy the imuplus once I finish this bottle

>(it's a *huge* 1 kilogram monster).

>

>Regards, .

>

> Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

>

>

>> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>>

>>

>> >It is in bulk form. How quickly does whey break down if not protected

>from

>> >outside air?

>> >

>> , People say it starts breaking down as soon as you open the container

>> and can taste and feel the difference before you are finished with the

>> contrainer. Nevertheless, this sounds like a better product than all the

>> others besides immunocal and imuplus. In my experience, trying to save

>money

>> is usually a waste of money and a strain on the body. In any case, I

>always

>> compare brands based on the immediate feedback I get from using them.

>> Imuplus is helping so much and raved about so highly that I think I will

>> just stick to it, but I woul like to hear about results you get from LEF.

>>

>>

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:35 PM 11/6/99 -0800, you wrote:

>From: " Leckie " <leckie@...>

>

>Thanks ,

>

>Since I'm on a massive 2 level teaspoons (even that made me feel bad at

>first) it's a bit early to tell. I plan to slowly work up. Were you able to

>take the full dose right away?

No. I take Half a pack of imuplus, 5 grams, twice a day. Otherwise gas and

upset. I also take it with kefir made from raw milk for enzymes to make up

for those lost in the drying of the whey.

>

>I may stop being a cheapskate and buy the imuplus once I finish this bottle

>(it's a *huge* 1 kilogram monster).

>

>Regards, .

>

> Re: Glutahione/ATP shots & Whey Proteins

>

>

>> From: Hess <pchess@...>

>>

>>

>> >It is in bulk form. How quickly does whey break down if not protected

>from

>> >outside air?

>> >

>> , People say it starts breaking down as soon as you open the container

>> and can taste and feel the difference before you are finished with the

>> contrainer. Nevertheless, this sounds like a better product than all the

>> others besides immunocal and imuplus. In my experience, trying to save

>money

>> is usually a waste of money and a strain on the body. In any case, I

>always

>> compare brands based on the immediate feedback I get from using them.

>> Imuplus is helping so much and raved about so highly that I think I will

>> just stick to it, but I woul like to hear about results you get from LEF.

>>

>>

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>