Guest guest Posted February 26, 2000 Report Share Posted February 26, 2000 I am on growth hormone NOT a supplement that is (in theory) designed to stimulate the production of GH. Do a medline search & you will find a lot of research on GH & CFS/FM. However I think the research indicates the a deficiency in GH may result from FM/CFS because both sleep disturbance and lack of activity can result in low GH. Please do not ask me any real technical question because I simply am not qualified to answer such questions. However you can be answer my joining this list. Human Growth Foundation Adult GH Deficiency Support List <HGF-ADULTS@...> GH is very expensive but you insurance my help --mine dose (1000 bucks a month). I have include some attachments you may find interesting. I think the most prevalent view is that GH will help one retain lean muscle mass and bone health without exercising. good luck steve susan redifer wrote: > From: " susan redifer " <hensue@...> > > would like to know who is on growth hormone? i have fibro and tested > negative for mycolpasma. > Thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > 1/967/5/_/531724/_/951592456/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. [This message contained attachments] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 > Is anyone here familiar with a new medicine called Trans-D Tropin? Its a > topical prescription growth hormone. Someone recommended it to me, and I > thought I'd check to see if anyone here had experience with it? Also, has > anyone here had experience with growth hormone treatment in general? > > Thanks in advance! > Laurel Laurel, I'm not familiar with the drug you mentioned, but I'm getting great results from a relatively inexpensive blend of amino acids specifically designed to stimulate GH release. I have significant HPA difficulties, so it really makes a big difference in my level of functioning on a daily basis. I know two other people who are also getting good results from GH releasers (both Men), but they are both taking the more expensive preparations. I get mine from Beyond-a-century.com, they have at least a half dozen to choose from. Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Hi Luke! from the local cfids group here. Just wanted to point out, to remind you and folks, if you think you have any problem with any kind of herpes virus (such as hhv6 or EBV), try to avoid the amino acid combinations that have arginine in them, because arginine is known to facilitate the reproduction of herpes viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Just want to point out that peanut butter is high in arginine. , if you think you have any problem with any kind > of herpes virus (such as hhv6 or EBV), try to avoid the amino acid > combinations that have arginine in them, because arginine is known to > facilitate the reproduction of herpes viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 , If you want to keep eating peanut butter, take some L-lysine along with it. According to an article some years ago in the Saturday Evening Post, what counts for suppressing herpes viruses is the lysine-to-arginine ratio. The herpes viruses have an absolute requirement for arginine, but lysine is competitively absorbed with it. I have heard from people with both Herpes Simplex type I (the one that produces cold sores or fever blisters) and Herpes Simplex type II (genital herpes) that lysine helps them a lot. I don't know for sure about the other herpes family viruses (cytomegalovirus, varicella-zoster (chicken pox and shingles), Epstein-Barr virus, and HHV-6, -7, and -8). Does anyone else know about this? Rich > Just want to point out that peanut butter is high in arginine. > > > > , if you think you have any problem with any kind > > of herpes virus (such as hhv6 or EBV), try to avoid the amino acid > > combinations that have arginine in them, because arginine is known to > > facilitate the reproduction of herpes viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 Lois,other than your nk cell count what else did isoprinosine do for you.Did it help with fatigue > There was some discussion a while back about why Cheney prescribes growth hormone. > > For a full explanation, see the article on Cheney's growth hormone and bovine growth factor treatment at www.virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids. > > Actually, I just started the growth hormone injections yesterday. I got the seven MiniQuick dual cartridge syringes at $13.50 each from the Bridge Program, and am starting out at one a week. I felt significantly better today - much more energy. > > The Isoprinosine was the key for me. My NK test results from the Univ. of Miami showed noticeable improvement after two months of treatment, which was the green light I needed to begin the rhGH. > > Take care. Carol > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:47:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, moores@... writes: > of oxytocin OXYTOCIN HAS BEEN STUDIED AND USED BY A DR.IN N.C. DR. TEIETELBAUM AND DR. GOLDSTEIN MENTION IT IN THEIR BOOKS. THE DR. IS AN FM SPECIALIST.....FORGOT HIS NAME....HOWARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 The doctor's name is Flechas.Don't remember much more about him at the moment. Donna in NC Re: Growth hormone > In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:47:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > moores@... writes: > > > > of oxytocin > OXYTOCIN HAS BEEN STUDIED AND USED BY A DR.IN N.C. DR. TEIETELBAUM AND > DR. GOLDSTEIN MENTION IT IN THEIR BOOKS. THE DR. IS AN FM > SPECIALIST.....FORGOT HIS NAME....HOWARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Growth Hormone has not cured me or put me into remission, but it has made me feel much better, there are some days when, for a few hours, I feel normal and well. My stamina is better, my tolerance for exercise and activity is greatly increased. Martha- -- In , kabbalaking1@a... wrote: > <PRE>Has Growth Hormone cured anyone on this list. Or put anyone into remission? > Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 , Because of the new state law in California, I don't think I should comment directly on your individual case until I have an acknowledgment from you that you have read my disclosures, as this law requires. Would you be willing to go to message #52529, read it, and send me an e-mail at richvank@... saying that you have read it? Thanks. Rich > Rich, and all: Just what should I do? My HGH levels are normal based on > IG-F-1 readings. Urine testing is low, but that test, is invalid. Therefore, > my question is: Should I take this HGH LOTION? Would I receive anti-aging > benefits or Cfs benefits? Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 My doc says my arginine stim test (peak of 2.8) isn't valid because my blood sugar wasn't below 40. I think he's dead wrong, that blood sugar is not important for this particular stim test. Anyone have any knowledge on this? Thanks, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 At 03:32 AM 06/07/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello. I want to thank everyone on this list for the information and >support you have given me this past year and a half. It has been >invaluable. > >My next off topic question is regarding Growth Hormone injections. My dr >(who is an MD but is very alternative) suggested that I try these shots >because my Growth Hormone levels are extremely low. > >Does anyone have any experience with these injections? I would love to >hear about your experiences. Thank you. > >G > Would NOT go near that in a minute SEe a quality classical homeopath to get at the root of why they are Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Sheri, thank you for responding to my question but I am curious to know what your specific objections are to the growth hormone injections? What are the side effects etc? G On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:23:56 +0100 Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> writes: At 03:32 AM 06/07/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello. I want to thank everyone on this list for the information and >support you have given me this past year and a half. It has been >invaluable. > >My next off topic question is regarding Growth Hormone injections. My dr >(who is an MD but is very alternative) suggested that I try these shots >because my Growth Hormone levels are extremely low. > >Does anyone have any experience with these injections? I would love to >hear about your experiences. Thank you. > >G > Would NOT go near that in a minute SEe a quality classical homeopath to get at the root of why they are Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 GH will not pass through he human gut. Amino Acids to stimulate secretion of GH has very limited applications to very limited populations. Essentually oral sprays are a scam. rickstrong54 wrote: > Hello; I subscribed to this list a few days ago having seen a post > by the list owner on the paleo diet list which I also monitor. I am > a sbuscriber to LEF and use a few of their supplements. I am 55 and > relatively active despite some localized arthritic problems (hip). > I have skimmed portions of your archives but did not come up with > anything as to one of the questions I would assume this group has > discussed. I did se several gh posts but nothing as to the efficacy > of oral spray gh. I see that it is heavily hyped with much > reference to gh research that involved injections. Is oral gh a > scam or is the jury still out? Thank you, Rick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 > Hello; I subscribed to this list a few days ago having seen a post > by the list owner on the paleo diet list which I also monitor. I am > a sbuscriber to LEF and use a few of their supplements. I am 55 and > relatively active despite some localized arthritic problems (hip). > I have skimmed portions of your archives but did not come up with > anything as to one of the questions I would assume this group has > discussed. I did se several gh posts but nothing as to the efficacy > of oral spray gh. I see that it is heavily hyped with much > reference to gh research that involved injections. Is oral gh a > scam or is the jury still out? Thank you, Rick Welcome, Rick (and welcome also to the approximately 20 new subscribers who joined after seeing my message on the paleolithic diet discussion list). Re: oral growth hormone sprays I can't speak for the consensus, but in my opinion and in the opinions of those I respect, oral growth hormone sprays do not work well and probably don't work at all. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Scam....only injections work.....If oral worked then the word would get out and even the Doctors would suggest it. Good Luck growth hormone Hello; I subscribed to this list a few days ago having seen a post by the list owner on the paleo diet list which I also monitor. I am a sbuscriber to LEF and use a few of their supplements. I am 55 and relatively active despite some localized arthritic problems (hip). I have skimmed portions of your archives but did not come up with anything as to one of the questions I would assume this group has discussed. I did se several gh posts but nothing as to the efficacy of oral spray gh. I see that it is heavily hyped with much reference to gh research that involved injections. Is oral gh a scam or is the jury still out? Thank you, Rickgroup email addresses:Post message:longevity Subscribe: longevity-subscribe Unsubscribe: longevity-unsubscribe Questions/Complaints:longevity-owner If you are interested in injectable growth hormone then we suggest you subscribe to Rejuvenation. Send a blank email to rejuvenation-subscribe Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects, but under no circumstances should any of the information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. The founder/moderator is not an MD, nor are many of the subscribers/participants. Also, advice and information presented here by MD'sand other health care professionals should not be considered a substitute for personal medical advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Thanks for your reply but I wonder if you have specifics as to the claim that the gh passes through the oral mucosa into the capillary blood supply as the mouth is a venous rich location. Understanding that the gut destroys gh, the claim is that it passes through the mucosa directly to the blood stream. I did not pose a question as to gh stimulants but as to gh per se. Is that what you are addressing?? -----Original Message-----From: johnsebastian [mailto:johnsebastian@...]Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:37 PMlongevity Subject: Re: growth hormoneGH will not pass through he human gut. Amino Acids to stimulatesecretion of GH has very limited applications to very limitedpopulations. Essentually oral sprays are a scam.rickstrong54 wrote:> Hello; I subscribed to this list a few days ago having seen a post> by the list owner on the paleo diet list which I also monitor. I am> a sbuscriber to LEF and use a few of their supplements. I am 55 and> relatively active despite some localized arthritic problems (hip).> I have skimmed portions of your archives but did not come up with> anything as to one of the questions I would assume this group has> discussed. I did se several gh posts but nothing as to the efficacy> of oral spray gh. I see that it is heavily hyped with much> reference to gh research that involved injections. Is oral gh a> scam or is the jury still out? Thank you, Rick>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 > Welcome, Rick (and welcome also to the approximately 20 new subscribers who > joined after seeing my message on the paleolithic diet discussion list). What paleolithic diet discussion list? Inquiring paleo-diners want to know. --Min Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 The only way to effectively take GH is by injection or to get your pituitary to secrete, whihc except for limited exceptions no one really knows how to do.. I was not sure as to which oral spray you were referring to so I addressed both the ones that claim a small amount of rHGH and those that claim to use aminos. Neither works, there is some work on peptides but to the best of my knowledge these have not yet born fruit. The cost of injections is way down, about $300/month for brand name and maybe half or less for Chinese rHGH assuming one IU/day. Injecting is no big deal my seventy year old mother inject insulin everyday, you get used to it Rick and Strong wrote: > Thanks for your reply but I wonder if you have specifics as to the > claim that the gh passes through the oral mucosa into the capillary > blood supply as the mouth is a venous rich location. Understanding > that the gut destroys gh, the claim is that it passes through the > mucosa directly to the blood stream. I did not pose a question as to > gh stimulants but as to gh per se. Is that what you are addressing?? > > Re: growth hormone > > GH will not pass through he human gut. Amino Acids to > stimulate > secretion of GH has very limited applications to very > limited > populations. Essentually oral sprays are a scam. > > rickstrong54 wrote: > > > Hello; I subscribed to this list a few days ago having > seen a post > > by the list owner on the paleo diet list which I also > monitor. I am > > a sbuscriber to LEF and use a few of their supplements. I > am 55 and > > relatively active despite some localized arthritic > problems (hip). > > I have skimmed portions of your archives but did not come > up with > > anything as to one of the questions I would assume this > group has > > discussed. I did se several gh posts but nothing as to > the efficacy > > of oral spray gh. I see that it is heavily hyped with > much > > reference to gh research that involved injections. Is > oral gh a > > scam or is the jury still out? Thank you, Rick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 paleofood@... -----Original Message-----From: M Voy [mailto:voyeh@...]Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:58 PMlongevity Subject: Re: growth hormone> Welcome, Rick (and welcome also to the approximately 20 new subscribers who> joined after seeing my message on the paleolithic diet discussion list).What paleolithic diet discussion list? Inquiring paleo-diners want to know.--Mingroup email addresses:Post message:longevity Subscribe: longevity-subscribe Unsubscribe: longevity-unsubscribe Questions/Complaints:longevity-owner If you are interested in injectable growth hormone then we suggest you subscribe to Rejuvenation. Send a blank email to rejuvenation-subscribe Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects, but under no circumstances should any of the information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. The founder/moderator is not an MD, nor are many of the subscribers/participants. Also, advice and information presented here by MD'sand other health care professionals should not be considered a substitute for personal medical advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 >Evan is already a big kid..< Diane, Dr. mentioned it to us but the lab made a mistake and didn't run the HGH test but Dr. doesn't think it is a priority right now for Tristan. I think the reason for it is to rebuild myelin in our kids which sounds important to me, but we can't afford an extra $300 a month either! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Growth hormone has helped me some. I didn't do the insulin tolerance test, as it can be rough. I did the arginine test. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Louise, I have been on Human Growth Hormone for three years and have benefitted from it. Martha > > Hi Everyone > > I have CFS, FMS and NMH and they have recently discovered I have > high prolactin and low Insulin Growth Factor 1, which is a marker > or growth hormone and the level indicates I have low growth hormone. > > There was some reearch a few years ago in the American Jounral of > Medicine showing that 30% of women with FMS have low IGF-1 and the > people involved in the study showed significant improvement after > receiving growth hormone injections for several months. > > Has anyone tried growth hormone injections for their CFS or FMS or > discovered they have low IGF-1? > > I have to have an insulin tolerance test and had to agree before > having it that I will be prepared to have growth hormone injections > if I fail the test. > > Regards > > Louise > > Manchester UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Louise, I can give you links for the studies that show the need for GH in about 30% of PWCFS/FMS/ME, et al. It took me two years to find someone who would treat me after my IGF-1 repeatedly came back very low. I finally found a doctor who was up to date and understands the role of GH in adults as well as children. I started GH injections last August and there has been some good improvements and I know more to come. It is a two year or so period of use that gets one to the maintenance level and the best dose is found for you. At that point the improvement may level but the improvement should be pretty significant. The internal changes can not be measured but are so important to your health. I have reduced pain and my hair is growing back and my skin is colored like a real live persona again. I am now monitoring to see if my high blood pressure and cholesterol improve as they typical do for one of rGH. Follow this through because if you need rGH, there is no substitute for what it does in the body and how you can improve on it. Shalom, W * -----Original Message----- Louise, I have been on Human Growth Hormone for three years and have benefitted from it. Martha > > Hi Everyone > > I have CFS, FMS and NMH and they have recently discovered I have > high prolactin and low Insulin Growth Factor 1, which is a marker > or growth hormone and the level indicates I have low growth hormone. > > There was some reearch a few years ago in the American Jounral of > Medicine showing that 30% of women with FMS have low IGF-1 and the > people involved in the study showed significant improvement after > receiving growth hormone injections for several months. > > Has anyone tried growth hormone injections for their CFS or FMS or > discovered they have low IGF-1? > > I have to have an insulin tolerance test and had to agree before > having it that I will be prepared to have growth hormone injections > if I fail the test. > > Regards > > Louise > > Manchester UK This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Martha That's good to hear. Regards Louise Re: Growth Hormone Louise, I have been on Human Growth Hormone for three years and have benefitted from it. Martha > > Hi Everyone > > I have CFS, FMS and NMH and they have recently discovered I have > high prolactin and low Insulin Growth Factor 1, which is a marker > or growth hormone and the level indicates I have low growth hormone. > > There was some reearch a few years ago in the American Jounral of > Medicine showing that 30% of women with FMS have low IGF-1 and the > people involved in the study showed significant improvement after > receiving growth hormone injections for several months. > > Has anyone tried growth hormone injections for their CFS or FMS or > discovered they have low IGF-1? > > I have to have an insulin tolerance test and had to agree before > having it that I will be prepared to have growth hormone injections > if I fail the test. > > Regards > > Louise > > Manchester UK This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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