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In a message dated 7/7/99 1:54:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Vaccinationsonelist writes:

<< L. Katz, MD, of Duke University Medical Center, testified at the

hearing he is concerned that allowing parents informed

consent and ways to opt out of immunization programs will doom efforts to

eradicate hepatitis B and other diseases in this country. >>

You know, allowing adults to drink will doom efforts to eradicate drunk

driving and other alcohol related injuries in this country......

Allowing adults to smoke will doom efforts to eradicate tobacco related

health problems in this country.....

Allowing people internet access will doom efforts to continue making money

off them on manditory vaccinations in this country..........

Allowing people the freedom of speech will doom efforts to hold a monopoly on

what information the public is exposed to in this country......

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In a message dated 7/29/1999 4:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

nagel@... writes:

<< Lets hear it for CHOICES, good or bad, they should be yours to

make (as long as your choices

do not interfere with some one else's freedom)

>>

This is the sticking point for most of these physicians and legislators -

that somehow by our choosing not to vaccinate - we are putting their health

at risk.

Bright Blessings

Jana

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Well Said! I may not agree with everyone all the time or even some of the

time, but every freedom that is

taken away from us as Citizens of the United States will lead us into the

future as a country without

freedom. Lets hear it for CHOICES, good or bad, they should be yours to

make (as long as your choices

do not interfere with some one else's freedom)

Re: Digest Number 293

> From: Chatadict2@...

>

> In a message dated 7/7/99 1:54:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

> Vaccinationsonelist writes:

>

> << L. Katz, MD, of Duke University Medical Center, testified at the

> hearing he is concerned that allowing parents informed

> consent and ways to opt out of immunization programs will doom efforts to

> eradicate hepatitis B and other diseases in this country. >>

>

> You know, allowing adults to drink will doom efforts to eradicate drunk

> driving and other alcohol related injuries in this country......

>

> Allowing adults to smoke will doom efforts to eradicate tobacco related

> health problems in this country.....

>

> Allowing people internet access will doom efforts to continue making money

> off them on manditory vaccinations in this country..........

>

> Allowing people the freedom of speech will doom efforts to hold a monopoly

on

> what information the public is exposed to in this country......

>

> Tonya

>

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Hi Jana,

I was talking more along the lines of murder, robbery, rape, that sort of

thing. These physicians need to get their heads

out of the sand and realize they put their health more at risk everyday by

driving a car then by not immunizing

their patients. Approx. 50,000 people a year die in automobile accidents

and even more are injured. I guess they will develop a vaccine for that

next.

Re: Digest Number 293

> From: Tauwillow@...

>

> In a message dated 7/29/1999 4:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

> nagel@... writes:

>

> << Lets hear it for CHOICES, good or bad, they should be yours to

> make (as long as your choices

> do not interfere with some one else's freedom)

> >>

>

> This is the sticking point for most of these physicians and legislators -

> that somehow by our choosing not to vaccinate - we are putting their

health

> at risk.

>

> Bright Blessings

> Jana

>

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Agreed Tonya!

Reminds me of the time I " challenged " my ped and he said " You read too much. "

Why? Because now maybe I know more than you?? How is it that a person should

NOT be educated??

Sue

Chatadict2@... wrote:

> From: Chatadict2@...

>

> In a message dated 7/7/99 1:54:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

> Vaccinationsonelist writes:

>

> << L. Katz, MD, of Duke University Medical Center, testified at the

> hearing he is concerned that allowing parents informed

> consent and ways to opt out of immunization programs will doom efforts to

> eradicate hepatitis B and other diseases in this country. >>

>

> You know, allowing adults to drink will doom efforts to eradicate drunk

> driving and other alcohol related injuries in this country......

>

> Allowing adults to smoke will doom efforts to eradicate tobacco related

> health problems in this country.....

>

> Allowing people internet access will doom efforts to continue making money

> off them on manditory vaccinations in this country..........

>

> Allowing people the freedom of speech will doom efforts to hold a monopoly on

> what information the public is exposed to in this country......

>

> Tonya

>

> ---------------------------

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,

I also tore up the prescription, it was for Risperdal, a drug for severe

mental illnesses such as schizophrenia! And it is very toxic to the liver,

from what my drug book says. Can you believe it!!!

(AIH)

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....

I forgot to tell you .... for God's sake .. don't take any

tranquilizers.... any medication that you have to take has to be

processed by your liver..... you don't need to add to your existing

problem.

Any medication ... over the counter, etc. has to be approved by your

" liver " doctor... contact NEMC asap... before you do anything....

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This is really outdated...but I had to say...you all are very elegant in

your commentaries! As I am going through this email (I finally can

mentally look at all the journals, media reports,etc. after the last 3

congressional hearings and not feel like I am going to just sit and

cry...)I wanted to say this definately brought a smile! All of you

would write great editorials to the papers! Thanks for the well

verbalized commentaries...its just how I feel.

in CT

Chatadict2@... wrote:

>

> From: Chatadict2@...

>

> In a message dated 7/7/99 1:54:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

> Vaccinationsonelist writes:

>

> << L. Katz, MD, of Duke University Medical Center, testified at the

> hearing he is concerned that allowing parents informed

> consent and ways to opt out of immunization programs will doom efforts to

> eradicate hepatitis B and other diseases in this country. >>

>

> You know, allowing adults to drink will doom efforts to eradicate drunk

> driving and other alcohol related injuries in this country......

>

> Allowing adults to smoke will doom efforts to eradicate tobacco related

> health problems in this country.....

>

> Allowing people internet access will doom efforts to continue making money

> off them on manditory vaccinations in this country..........

>

> Allowing people the freedom of speech will doom efforts to hold a monopoly on

> what information the public is exposed to in this country......

>

> Tonya

>

>

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At 10:12 AM 6/14/00 +0000, you wrote:

>I want to make a batch of a rich moisturizing facial soap. I don't plan to

>sell any of it so cost isn't really a factor. I want something that will

>leave my face feeling soft. What oils would be good for superfatting? My

>basic recipe is Coconut Oil, Palm Oil, Palm Kernal Oil, and Olive Oil.

>Other oils which I have available are: hemp, sweet almond, Kukui, Jojoba,

>Macadamia, Castor, Emu. I wouldn't mind buying other oils for this one

>batch. I don't think I'll even fragrance or color it. Herbs would also be

>fine if there are some with these special properties.

the richest soap I've ever experienced has very little coconut oil in

it... down under 10% I'm guessing... and extra castor oil to give it

lots of lather. It was a 'clean out the fridge' soap that a friend made

and had all the oils you mentioned in it. The friend who made it only has

about six bars left and I'm buying ALL of 'em... leaves my skin feeling

like a baby's... I really think the extremely low level of Coconut oil

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Flo,

I gurgle, and can indeed make enough noise to disturb people around me when I

drink a lot of water, or eat certain things. Not necessarily things that

disagree with me, just certain foods seem to trigger the gurgle response.

in Chapel Hill

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Sorry for the additional problems. All will go wonderfully this Friday. You

look great already, this will make you perfect? Lori, you look great too.

I'm jealous,

in Chapel Hill

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In a message dated 7/2/01 10:53:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

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> OK, everybody to Joni's house!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

ROFLMAO...July 4th BBQ for everyone!!! If you come here you are invited.

Joni

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Hi Joni,

How is my littermate Donna doing? I have not heard from her for a while now.

Is she back to work? Tell her to give me a call sometime soon. Thanks

Pat Iurato

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In a message dated 7/2/01 5:39:33 PM Central Daylight Time, BayardA@...

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> ,

> Sorry for the additional problems. All will go wonderfully this Friday.

> You

> look great already, this will make you perfect? Lori, you look great too.

> I'm jealous,

> in Chapel Hill

>

Thanks so much but I'm quite a long ways from perfect. If only my

mind could catch up to my body now......I would be content.

I remember you telling me about a year ago how you would love to be the size

that I was. Well sweetie, you are there and look awesome yourself.

See ya at the next meeting!

in Raleigh

MGB 11/22/99 270/130 size 24/6

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Thank you Sandy from the bottom of my heart.I read your letter and I cannot

express how I appreciate it.My eyes filled with tears(I am very emotional

probably to a fault) but that is how I am.You are right is very smart

and you know he doesn't even know how smart or even how funny he really

is.When he came down to hug me and I gave him one back I was crying and he

asked if I was happy or sad because he said Mommy cries either way.I told him

I was happy and he brought me a kleenex.You know I am lucky to have

him.Before we found out about his diagnosis I couldn't have said that but I

really am.I am a fighter which all of us are with our children and that is

why I do believe that we get the child that we are supposed to have.Someone

else wouldn't be able to deal with it.So I guess we are all so lucky to have

the kids we do,the family we do and the support of this wonderful

group.Thanks for listening and being there.Today is a better day.Gretchen

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This is to the mother of the son with the goggles: WOW!! Sounds just like us.

Please know you are not alone.

And to the other mother with the screaming in the mornings. That is also our

worst time. I always wonder if there is something to it. wakes up

HAPPY and plays. THEN - when it is time to get dressed - nothing fits right.

then we try to eat - and the chairs and silver ware have to be arranged just

so. Then - the WORST of it - we have to put our shoes on. We spend so much

time crying in the mornings that we are usually late - no matter how early we

get up!! It is not really a problem until Sept when he starts KGarten and has

to get ot scholo on time. I AM DREADING IT!!

I am trying a behavior mod type excercise where he gets a sticker on a chart if

we can get ready in the morning without crying. When it is full he can pick

out a prize at Toys R Us. I must say that this has resulted in more good than

bad mornings. (although one morning I tore 3 stickers off because he cried so

much. He loses them too!!!) I am just at my wits end so Ill let you know if

this retraining of behavoir works.

Lynne

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> until Sept when he starts KGarten and has

>to get ot scholo on time. I AM DREADING IT!!

>

Hello

I was dreading it, too, but by chance, something clicked. I kept

telling the boys all summer that for school days, they'd have to get

dressed before they came downstairs. They could not play, have

breakfast or anything until they'd washed and dressed, including shoes.

I set myself for a dawn start.

To my complete astonishment, they just did it. They didn't attempt to

go downstairs, did their best to get dressed, and asked for help with

the bits they needed. It was totally amazing. Now it's getting them to

do the same in the holidays and at weekends that is our problem. They

seem to have grasped that school days mean they get dressed before the

day begins!

(We're still late many days, though, because they find something else to

have a tantrum about when it's time to leave.)

Good luck. Hope you'll have a good surprise in September, too.

Sara

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Aili wrote:

He thinks I am too high risk because of some other health problems

(not related) So he is sending me on to a surgeon so I guess its back into

limbo for another 6 months. (Oh

the joys of Ontario's health care cutbacks.)

Hi, Aili!

As someone in Ontario, I share your frustrations with the Ontario health

care system in its current form. But six months?? I waited four months for

the endoscopy, then two weeks for the monometry. Then the

gastroenterologist three weeks later, then six *weeks* to meet with the

surgeon. That's coming up in a few weeks now. And I'm not suffering with

the same kind of symptoms you are. Seems to me you may need to get your GP

to push harder for you, when setting up these appointments.

I seems I'm likely to have a choice as to treatments, and it's a decision

I've not yet made. But I'd be really surprised if it took as long as six

months once the decision is made. Can you make it clear to them how sick

you are? Can you make a fuss? It *does* make a difference, I've found.

Havi

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I ask everyone (who is able) to try to delete the message they are

responding to, or just to leave enough of the message to be relevant

to what they are responding to.

To those who haven't figured out how to do this. Try sending a brand

new message, with your reply.

I hate to belabour this point. But sometimes our lengthy messages

are the problem. wrote to me about this a long time ago. A

lengthy message happens when the following sequence occurs.

1. Person A sends a message.

2. Person B responds to the message (maybe a very long response)

without deleting the original message.

3. Person C responds (perhaps with another lengthy reply) - so now

Person C's message may exceed the maximum allowable for messages by

groups.

The 3 steps I describe above may become Digest No. XXX,

but if it exceeds a certain amount it may bounce into oblivion.

won't accept all the blame. Perhaps your computer is set up

only to receive a message not exceeding XXX number of " bytes. " I

know I have set a limit on the size of my incoming messages. Or your

Internet Service Provider will not accept a message exceeding a

certain size.

I doubt if you have lost very much, if this is the case. You may

have lost just one message, and that is because people simply hit the

return button without deleting the lengthy message they are

responding to.

in the last digest, person A " Dora Weber " <dora_weber@...> said

a short message and then included the Original Message

99 lines long

then person B <lvmyci@...> said a short message and then

included the Original Message 207 lines long.

If you want too, I can sent you what you said.

Try to delete the message they are responding to, or just to leave

enough of the message to be relevant to what they are responding to.

To those who haven't figured out how to do this. Try sending a brand

new message, with your reply.

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HA user (54-5+yrs) I did not get a HA till I was 5

Stroke at 52 loss of all hearing.

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As one of the offenders, I must confess I did not even take note. I just

fired off a reply to Dora that I thought was her to me, not the list. I was

reading it from my work computer, so it was a hurried reply on break.

I stand enlightened, and indeed do know how to do this. I don't get the

digest mode, simply because I find this issue just too much for me to wade

thru! I prefer the individual messages that I can get thru faster for this

very reason!

Thanks for keeping us cognizant of others viewing needs!

Carol in WI

aka lvmyci

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> I ask everyone (who is able) to try to delete the message they are

> responding to, or just to leave enough of the message to be relevant

> to what they are responding to.

>

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Hi Phyllis,

The bone scan you are talking about is to measure osteoporosis. It is

usually done either on the wrist or the hip. Similar to a CT scan, but

done in a specific area to determine bone loss and bone density.

CT or Cat scans are OK to have done, they do not affect the implant.

MRIs are NO NOs because of the Magnet. Magnetic Resonance Imaging.

The magnet is the problem. You cannot wear anything metal into the MRI

room, so earrings, necklaces, rings, etc. etc. ANYTHING metal must be

removed. The magnet that is part of the implant is what prevents us from

having MRIs. With the Nucleus, they can remove the magnet with a small

incision. Then you can have a full strength MRI, get the magnet

replaced. You have a Clarion device, I believe, and its magnet is NOT

removable, so you cannot have an MRI on ANY part of your body. Some

people think it's OK to have an MRI on your knee or other part of your

body, as long as it isn't your head. Fact is, you cannot even be IN A

ROOM WITH AN MRI if you have an implant and the magnet is still in place.

Make sure you ask before you have any tests. I had a CT scan after my

implant and it was amazing to see what the implant looked like. Kind of

cool to look at.

Nucleus Volunteer

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:43:29 -0500

From: " Phyllis " <pmiller@...>

Subject: Information please

What is the difference between a bone scan of the hand and a cat scan and

a mri?

Is it ok to get a bone scan? I will ask those questions before they do

the bone scan but would like to know the answers now.

Phyllis

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This is supposed to be to find out if I have cracked my hand or not. I am not

sure what they will do Monday but I certainly will tell them about the

implant!!!

Phyllis

Information please

What is the difference between a bone scan of the hand and a cat scan and

a mri?

Is it ok to get a bone scan? I will ask those questions before they do

the bone scan but would like to know the answers now.

Phyllis

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From: Jan Jenson <vizual@...>

From: " Benson, \(Sen L. \) " <.Benson@...>

Subject: RE: Microwave oven info?

Do you mean their effects on food or people standing near them when

they're on?

Both!

Microwaves affect the energy of EVERYTHING around them for1,500 feet

when they are on!

Combine that with all the cell phones and towers on this planet

and figure what our OVERLOAD ratio is...!

Jan Jenson

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Taking out fillings

I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of

antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few month back.

I also had triggerpoints (Fibromyalgia) since six years before that till

today, which I now wonder if its all related. When at the dentist last week

I was told that it might be time to change my old silver fillings , they are

close to 15 years old and show signs.

From what I read here in the list, I am not sure what is worse, to have them

remain in the mouth or to handle them and take them out. Nobody here is

Israel ever heard of ES or ES related problems, and I fear that what

happened here to some - that their problems started while taking them

out!!! - will worsen my bad current condition. I am pretty run down. If

while taking them out I get more Mercury into my system , It might really

hurt me. What to do?

HIllel

Re: ES inquiries

>

>

> > - shielded baseball caps or hats

> > - wire mesh head shields

>

> I've tried some head shielding, and it only seemed to make me worse.

> Any metal near your head is going to act like an antenna for EMF.

>

> > Sue is supposed to be going into hospital for treatment next week

>

> Treatment specifically for ES?

>

> >Her worst ES induced symptom is a severe tinnitus-type buzzing in the

>head

>

> Does she have any metal dental work? If so, she probably should get

> that removed by a " mercury-free " dentist.

>

> Marc

>

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I had mine taken out and did not let the dentist put siver (mercury)

back in my mouth, the important thing to do is to dam off your

throat when the dentist is drilling out the merury to keep the dust

from going down into your lungs, my nose was covered also with a

oxygen fed thru it, Al Huggins has a great book called " It's all in

your head " he used to be a dentist and quit the business. But it

gives very detailed info on the positive/ negative charges these

fillings give off in your mouth, now if you have gold thrown in

there too you got a disaster happening....Debbie

> Taking out fillings

>

> I got my ES, allergies and chemical sensitivity after six months of

> antibiotics and much emotional stress in my private life a few

month back.

> I also had triggerpoints (Fibromyalgia) since six years before

that till

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