Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 I started to read about sensory integration problems once, but got pulled off course by more pressing problems. Can someone please explain briefly to me the surgical brush technique? Sounds odd!! -- >From: @... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: To Stephany re Teela venting >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:59:16 -0000 > >Stephany - I noticed your reference to brushing. We've tried this on >my son (now 12) off and on since 4th grade. We can't seem to >stick with it for long, things come up each night, we don't get to do >it or forget to do it.... Anyway, since OCD began last Sept., the >brushing was recommended to relax him, to reduce anxiety. This and >pushing down on pressure points (?) like shoulders, hands, >elbow/hand, hips.... > >In 4th grade the brushing was recommended for sensory reasons as > was/is a picky eater and they (the OT, ST) said it was due to >food textures. (He was also easy to gag tho don't know if this was >part of it.) > >Anyway, the OT was and is (seeing same one now) big on brushing. She >said it might be about 2-3 months before I would really see >improvement. Unfortunately, we STILL don't do it everynight. > >As a note, 's older brother (15) CANNOT STAND the feel of the >surgical brush. I wonder if that's significant?! And 's >twin, , has always hated the feel of a lot of NEW clothes like >the inside of sweatshirts but will wear them once I've either washed >them enough to get rid of the " new " feel or maybe after they've >been " worn in " by or something. > >From in N.C. > > > > > > > Teela, I have a five year old daughter who drives me crazy in very > > much the same way your four year old does. She is SO sensory > > defensive with clothing, it drives me absolutely crazy. My uncle >the > > other day said, oh, my daughter was also sensitive to clothes, all > > kids are picky like that. UGGGHHH! They don't understand. I have >a > > few recommendations as things are getting slightly better for us. > > First, the SSRI's tend to help my daughter with sensory >stuff > > a bit. Prozac worked the best but hyped her up too much. My >problem > > with this, is that I think despite the hard work and complete > > frustration it will cause both parent and child, I think you really > > have to sort of work through the sensory stuff. By this I mean, a > > combination of exposure therapy and behavioral coaching, and > > compensation techniques (which I'm sure you're already doing, since > > you have learned what your child will wear already). I think > > children have to learn to somehow learn to work through or at least > > work around the sensory issues, or they will be dependent on >medicine > > all their life. Having said that, is on a low dose of >zoloft > > which only helps with sensory a tiny bit. She is still pretty >bad. > > She gets a little LESS hysterical than without it. My advice to > > start reading up on sensory integration dysfunction. It's > > controversial as to whether it is part of OCD or not. Our doctor > > says some kids without OCD have sensory integration dysfunction, >some > > kids with OCD don't have sensory integration dysfunction, and there > > is big group of kids with OCD who have both. My daughter is one of > > the lucky ones (smile). " The Out of Sync " Child is a very helpful > > book I found. Also, an occupational therapist might be of great > > help. We get the service through special ed. at our public > > preschool. If you use a deep brushing technique with a surgical > > brush on prior to getting her dressed, it makes it WAY > > easier. It gives a refractory period where the senses are more > > organized, I guess. Once the clothes are on for a short > > period (10 minutes), she adapts to the way they feel. Mind you, we > > still wear very few types of clothes! I would also recommend the > > book " uniquely gifted " (though it is $34), because it has two great > > articles on sensory integration in it. I attack the problems from > > both ways, as a sensory integration problem AND as an OCD problem > > (with food too). I require to at least try foods, even if > > she spits them out (exposure) and I tell her to at least try on > > clothes that may bother her and wear them for a few minutes. I >coach > > her to say, " That's alright, it will feel better in a few >minutes. " > > This didn't happen until she was five... but she is getting the >hang > > of this. BUT, I also use the deep brushing that comes from sensory > > dysfunction theory. I would also recommend checking out the > > group for sensory dysfunction. It is called " DSI " and it is > > wonderful as is this group. I get help from both groups. Please e- > > mail me if you want to commiserate! > > > > Stephany, mom to , 5, with OCD and dsi, on zoloft and >clonidine > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 We brushed my son three times a day when he first began getting OT wgucg when he was 21/2. I did this along with his OT when she visited to help him.Not only couldn't you touch but he would cry.At fist he hated it and then he would go over and do it him self. He has no real problems with being touched or with touching others. He actually is the opposite in that he runs and hugs everybody. But keep on doing the brushing it does work.Gretchen Mother of who is 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 It is, technically, called the Wilbarger Protocol for sensory defensiveness. The brush used is a small, soft surgical brush. Here's a website with more information; searching for " wilbarger protocol " on google should yield more: http://www.thetherapyplace.net/newsletter/3_2.htm It helped my daughter a lot. lisa near Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I think all Mandis boys also had retained reflexes. >>>Yep they do, I wrote a brilliant reply to Sandys post at lunchtime and then lost it all when I was looking for a link to explain better........sigh Joe has been assessed at the clinic and has got every retained reflex there is is spades - it was fascinating and horrifying to watch the assessment. Sam is unable to comply so I'd never seen a full one before. He showed me how to test to two particular ones on Tom to see if it was worth pulling him out of school to go too - he has both the ones I tested for. has at least one too - he is Dyslexic and self dx Aspie tendancies +++. Both Tom and Joe are classified as gifted and talented at school, niether have ever excelled at sports, Tom has attention issues that seems to be getting worse as puberty hits (arghhhhhhhhhhhhh) One of the tests is to walk forward using only the very outside edge of the feet. A 'normal' person can do this with ease and stand up straight and keep their arms by their sides whilst doing it. Joe slowly bent double, back arched, his arms swung slowly out in front of him then raised up,his wrists flexed tight and his middle fingers pulled in - he looked like a kid with severe CP, I was speechless. He was spooked by the fact he had no control over what his body was doing when asked to complete a simple task. Therapy consists of using a small fine paintbrush, held so lightly that in can swing like a pendulum, in very fine strokes betwen two given points usually for 40 strokes twice per day for 6 weeks and review. We are doing less with Sam on some of the more complicated positions we are working on now. Being ticklish doesn't help but after a few days on each new programme it seems to go away. This is supposed to be stimulating the mid brain as per therapies for kids with CP at the Peto Institute. Bob says by definition a kid born by C-Section is developmentally delayed - having not passed through the birth canal and the stress that involves which is one of the triggers for these reflexes to wane. All mine were C sections. From what I have learned so far, I would highly recommend assessment for those with co-morbid CP Dx for sure. This is the link I found earlier which explains more about the reflexes Click here: Reflex - Inhibition Programme I value Tina's opinion and her reports on how she felt it was helping , considered that it couldn;t possibly hurt and I spend more than that on probiotics so we went for it. Only wish I had thought about taking Joe before Clinic visits cost £65 per session and the brush is free I think the UK HQ is in Chester but I can't find the link HTH Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Sorry to jump on the back of this post, but can you give me the name of your brushing man and a contact number? >>Bob 07779-144-779 He does Monday and Wednesday at sfield, so I gues the other days are in Windsor. He might know somebody nearer to you Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Is there a good reference that lists thr reflexes, how to check for them, how to implement the brushing etc? Thanks, >>Not a 'how to' I don't think - the order in which you do them is important I think, think think think, I can hardly think actually LOL, I will try tomorrow to find that link I had before which was really good. Its called NDT Neuro developmental therapy Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hi The man I go to operates out of sfield and Windsor. He basically looks for primitive retained reflexes and then gives you a 6 week programme based on findings. You go back every 6 weeks to get new programme. You use the small brush as directed eg for 1st 6 weeks we went down spine for 20 strokes am and pm. We did about 15 months with before all the primative reflexes went. We are currently on a 3 months 'rest' and will go back in MArch to check they haven't sneaked back. had asymmetric tonic neck reflex retained which affects fine motor, eye tracking, crosssing the mid line etc which have been all big issues for him. He can now do fairly good joined up handwriting and his reading has aslo improved..although some vision issues remain. I was impressed and also had my dd tested out of interest as she gets very distracted and is very fidgety. She has the moro strongly retained and we are now on programme with her. I think all Mandis boys also had retained reflexes. hth Tina Sandy and Tim wrote: Hi Mandi, Tina and everyone,I'm keen to know more about brushing. We have started doing some dry skin brushing for Eddie and also some head massage (we discussed these with his chiropractor). Now that Eddie's touch sensitivities have mostly gone we'd like to try more similar things because we think it really helps. Tina mentioned a really small brush so it must be different from what we've been doing. Would love to know more please.Best wishes,Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hi Tina Sorry to jump on the back of this post, but can you give me the name of your brushing man and a contact number? Louis has all the problems mentioned eg difficulties writing, crossing the mid line and even has told me today that his spine hurts all the time, sometimes a lot and sometimes only a little! First time he has ever said anything about pain! We have done brushing of hands and arms (from the OT) which got him to actually hold a pencil but haven't managed to progress much further. Think we need to investigatethe Brushing man. Thanks Kay. Hi The man I go to operates out of sfield and Windsor. He basically looks for primitive retained reflexes and then gives you a 6 week programme based on findings. You go back every 6 weeks to get new programme. You use the small brush as directed eg for 1st 6 weeks we went down spine for 20 strokes am and pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 > > In a message dated 13/02/2007 21:17:25 GMT Standard Time, > simon_tinawood@... writes: > > I think all Mandis boys also had retained reflexes. > > > >>>>Yep they do, I wrote a brilliant reply to Sandys post at lunchtime and > then lost it all when I was looking for a link to explain > better........sigh > > Joe has been assessed at the clinic and has got every retained reflex > there > is is spades - it was fascinating and horrifying to watch the assessment. > Sam > is unable to comply so I'd never seen a full one before. He showed me how > to > test to two particular ones on Tom to see if it was worth pulling him out > of > school to go too - he has both the ones I tested for. has at least > one > too - he is Dyslexic and self dx Aspie tendancies +++. > > Both Tom and Joe are classified as gifted and talented at school, niether > have ever excelled at sports, Tom has attention issues that seems to be > getting > worse as puberty hits (arghhhhhhhhhhhhh) > > One of the tests is to walk forward using only the very outside edge of > the > feet. A 'normal' person can do this with ease and stand up straight and > keep > their arms by their sides whilst doing it. > > Joe slowly bent double, back arched, his arms swung slowly out in front of > him then raised up,his wrists flexed tight and his middle fingers pulled > in - > he looked like a kid with severe CP, I was speechless. He was spooked by > the > fact he had no control over what his body was doing when asked to > complete a > simple task. > > Therapy consists of using a small fine paintbrush, held so lightly that in > can swing like a pendulum, in very fine strokes betwen two given points > usually > for 40 strokes twice per day for 6 weeks and review. > > We are doing less with Sam on some of the more complicated positions we > are > working on now. Being ticklish doesn't help but after a few days on each > new > programme it seems to go away. > > This is supposed to be stimulating the mid brain as per therapies for kids > with CP at the Peto Institute. > > Bob says by definition a kid born by C-Section is developmentally delayed > - > having not passed through the birth canal and the stress that involves > which > is one of the triggers for these reflexes to wane. All mine were C > sections. > > From what I have learned so far, I would highly recommend assessment for > those with co-morbid CP Dx for sure. > > This is the link I found earlier which explains more about the reflexes > > > _Click here: Reflex - Inhibition Programme_ > (http://www.developmentalintegration.co.uk/New%20Pages/reflex%20inhibition%20pro\ gramme.htm) > > I value Tina's opinion and her reports on how she felt it was helping > , > considered that it couldn;t possibly hurt and I spend more than that on > probiotics so we went for it. Only wish I had thought about taking Joe > before > > Clinic visits cost £65 per session and the brush is free > > I think the UK HQ is in Chester but I can't find the link > > HTH > > Mandi x > > > > > > Sounds very similar to what we have for our little one by the Tinsley House Clinic. They too offer brushing for primitive reflexes etc and brain stimulation exercises. They have clinics all over the country: http://www.tinsleyhouseclinic.co.uk/ Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Is there a good reference that lists thr reflexes, how to check for them, how to implement the brushing etc? Thanks, > > > > > In a message dated 13/02/2007 21:17:25 GMT Standard Time, > > simon_tinawood@... writes: > > > > I think all Mandis boys also had retained reflexes. > > > > > > > >>>>Yep they do, I wrote a brilliant reply to Sandys post at lunchtime and > > then lost it all when I was looking for a link to explain > > better........sigh > > > > Joe has been assessed at the clinic and has got every retained reflex > > there > > is is spades - it was fascinating and horrifying to watch the assessment. > > Sam > > is unable to comply so I'd never seen a full one before. He showed me how > > to > > test to two particular ones on Tom to see if it was worth pulling him out > > of > > school to go too - he has both the ones I tested for. has at least > > one > > too - he is Dyslexic and self dx Aspie tendancies +++. > > > > Both Tom and Joe are classified as gifted and talented at school, niether > > have ever excelled at sports, Tom has attention issues that seems to be > > getting > > worse as puberty hits (arghhhhhhhhhhhhh) > > > > One of the tests is to walk forward using only the very outside edge of > > the > > feet. A 'normal' person can do this with ease and stand up straight and > > keep > > their arms by their sides whilst doing it. > > > > Joe slowly bent double, back arched, his arms swung slowly out in front of > > him then raised up,his wrists flexed tight and his middle fingers pulled > > in - > > he looked like a kid with severe CP, I was speechless. He was spooked by > > the > > fact he had no control over what his body was doing when asked to > > complete a > > simple task. > > > > Therapy consists of using a small fine paintbrush, held so lightly that in > > can swing like a pendulum, in very fine strokes betwen two given points > > usually > > for 40 strokes twice per day for 6 weeks and review. > > > > We are doing less with Sam on some of the more complicated positions we > > are > > working on now. Being ticklish doesn't help but after a few days on each > > new > > programme it seems to go away. > > > > This is supposed to be stimulating the mid brain as per therapies for kids > > with CP at the Peto Institute. > > > > Bob says by definition a kid born by C-Section is developmentally delayed > > - > > having not passed through the birth canal and the stress that involves > > which > > is one of the triggers for these reflexes to wane. All mine were C > > sections. > > > > From what I have learned so far, I would highly recommend assessment for > > those with co-morbid CP Dx for sure. > > > > This is the link I found earlier which explains more about the reflexes > > > > > > _Click here: Reflex - Inhibition Programme_ > > (http://www.developmentalintegration.co.uk/New%20Pages/reflex% 20inhibition%20programme.htm) > > > > I value Tina's opinion and her reports on how she felt it was helping > > , > > considered that it couldn;t possibly hurt and I spend more than that on > > probiotics so we went for it. Only wish I had thought about taking Joe > > before > > > > Clinic visits cost £65 per session and the brush is free > > > > I think the UK HQ is in Chester but I can't find the link > > > > HTH > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds very similar to what we have for our little one by the Tinsley > House Clinic. They too offer brushing for primitive reflexes etc and > brain stimulation exercises. They have clinics all over the country: > > http://www.tinsleyhouseclinic.co.uk/ > > Dawn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Can you tell me what sort of information he will need at the appointment (we have an hour), as I would like to make sure the paperwork is over quickly, so that we have as much time as posssible for the testing. >>Give him a call and ask him to send the paperwork, he gave it me at first appointment and still haven;t filled it in, he does ask some questions but most of time spent with child, he'll get down on the floor and play to assess them if they are unable to comply like Sam. HE wears sandals in winter and bare feet as soon as he moves off his chair but he is a super chap, I am sure you will feel comfortable with him. Sam asked for brushing tonight - how spooky is that? We are up to 10 strokes now from 3 per session, this is a tricky one, need to start pubic are and run brush up wards, in straight line night up the neck and ending on the very bottom edge of his chin, its the last bit thats tricky. This is one that is impeding speech, I really wnat to get this one right!! Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hi Mandi I've made an appointment with in Windsor (about 45 mins by car if no delays) for March 2nd. Can you tell me what sort of information he will need at the appointment (we have an hour), as I would like to make sure the paperwork is over quickly, so that we have as much time as posssible for the testing. Louis's compliance can be quite varied and the less time talking and the more time doing physical things the better! Thanks Kay. In a message dated 13/02/2007 22:11:15 GMT Standard Time, kay.steventlworld writes: Sorry to jump on the back of this post, but can you give me the name of your brushing man and a contact number? >>Bob 07779-144-779 He does Monday and Wednesday at sfield, so I gues the other days are in Windsor. He might know somebody nearer to you Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Sam asked for brushing tonight - how spooky is that? We are up to 10 strokes now from 3 per session, this is a tricky one, need to start pubic are and run brush up wards, in straight line night up the neck and ending on the very bottom edge of his chin, its the last bit thats tricky. This is one that is impeding speech, I really wnat to get this one right!! We got everything crossed fro you and Sam, well done with this. Luv Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hi everyone, Thanks so much for all the info on brushing. It's opened up a whole new world of info! From what I've been reading it sounds like Eddie (and even Tim and I!) could benefit from learning/doing this. I've been trying to find a practitioner somewhere around Cheshire/South Manchester. There are 2 Tinsley Houses - Warrington and Stockport - I doubt anyone will have experiences of these but would be interested. There's also Jenn e of www.bodybrushing.com who we might be able to see in Manchester. I've put Dr Pauc's " Is this your child? " in my Amazon trolley - I couldn't find anything much on brushing itself. I'm interested in this so I'd like to know more (not many people know I've got a diploma in massage ... I wanted to do something " girlie " when I was studying engineering so attended a local beauty college evening school - I think it might just come in handy). Thanks again for all your advice - it's been really useful. Sandy > > > In a message dated 16/02/2007 21:05:12 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... > writes: > > Sam asked for brushing tonight - how spooky is that? We are up to 10 strokes > now from 3 per session, this is a tricky one, need to start pubic are and > run brush up wards, in straight line night up the neck and ending on the very > bottom edge of his chin, its the last bit thats tricky. This is one that is > impeding speech, I really wnat to get this one right!! > > > > We got everything crossed fro you and Sam, well done with this. > Luv Caroline > xxx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm interested inthis so I'd like to know more (not many people know I've got a diplomain massage ... I wanted to do something "girlie" when I was studyingengineering so attended a local beauty college evening school - Ithink it might just come in handy). Kept this quiet Mrs we couldve all had one at the Conference! Lucky Tim.... Wink... Luv N Flowers Caroline xxx PS How far are you from Manchester? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi Caroline, I could do with one myself :-) We're south of Manchester - I think we're about 30 miles outside. Best wishes, Sandy > > > In a message dated 19/02/2007 21:36:21 GMT Standard Time, > S.I.Woolley@... writes: > > I'm interested in > this so I'd like to know more (not many people know I've got a diploma > in massage ... I wanted to do something " girlie " when I was studying > engineering so attended a local beauty college evening school - I > think it might just come in handy). > > > > Kept this quiet Mrs we couldve all had one at the Conference! Lucky Tim.... > Wink... > Luv N Flowers > Caroline > xxx > PS How far are you from Manchester? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hiya Sandy and Tim, Just thought I would chip in as a Manc who has used Jenn . We used to take Kieran to see her. She stays a couple of days in a hotel once per month (in Middleton, just off the motorway so very handy). Kieran was really non compliant (just giggled and rolled away), and she was very patient with him, although she frequently had to demonstrate on or I. We saw her for quite a time, about 12months I think. We personally could not swear that the improvements we saw were down to the brushing, there were so many other things happening at the same time. She found it very difficult to assess him (boy, as I write this I realise how much better he now is), and I used to find it really frustrating. The brushing we did at home was brilliant, he came to enjoy it. However we really could not afford to continue with something that we could not feel convinced was doing the trick, and so stopped. A colleague's sister had adopted two girls, one of whom had poor motor development and difficult behaviours both at home and school. They used Jenn and the chap who started it all (also called ), and they were absolutely convinced that it worked wonders with their daughter. Whenever we met anyone waiting to be seen, they were always very positive about Jenn and her work. Now that Kieran is more compliant and has better language, it might be worth considering another go. The Chester centre sounds brilliant, and handy for us, but we are still attempting to do the vision therapy exercises, and I don't want to confuse his system or us unduly. Just remembered I have a book on CD about brushing, if I come across it soon, I will send it to you if you like. Good luck with whatever you decide. Sue > > > > > > In a message dated 16/02/2007 21:05:12 GMT Standard Time, > Mum231ASD@ > > writes: > > > > Sam asked for brushing tonight - how spooky is that? We are up to 10 > strokes > > now from 3 per session, this is a tricky one, need to start pubic > are and > > run brush up wards, in straight line night up the neck and ending on > the very > > bottom edge of his chin, its the last bit thats tricky. This is one > that is > > impeding speech, I really wnat to get this one right!! > > > > > > > > We got everything crossed fro you and Sam, well done with this. > > Luv Caroline > > xxx > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi Sue, Many thanks. This is really really useful! I think we will try to see Jenn next month. Yes please, I'd be really interested in the CD if you come across it. Best wishes Sandy > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 16/02/2007 21:05:12 GMT Standard Time, > > Mum231ASD@ > > > writes: > > > > > > Sam asked for brushing tonight - how spooky is that? We are up to > 10 > > strokes > > > now from 3 per session, this is a tricky one, need to start pubic > > are and > > > run brush up wards, in straight line night up the neck and ending > on > > the very > > > bottom edge of his chin, its the last bit thats tricky. This is > one > > that is > > > impeding speech, I really wnat to get this one right!! > > > > > > > > > > > > We got everything crossed fro you and Sam, well done with this. > > > Luv Caroline > > > xxx > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 : What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush? From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>Subject: Re: Re: Skin Tags, Age Spots, Iodineiodine Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 5:10 PM I had two small warts on my fingers. Not long after I started brushing they just vanished. Didn't use anything. Brushing has a lot of advantages. Lega and arms quite briskly and firmly. Really gets the circulation going.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 , That's no kidding! I love using the brushing - I should do it more. , I use a medium-hardness natural bristle hairbrush. It feels soooo good and really does totally change your energy levels. It's like flipping a switch. I feel energized but relaxed at the same time? Hard to describe. I heard it's best to brush in the direction toward your heart but I tend to go back and forth. ~Lori L.http://naturalhealingremedies.orgOn Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM, david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...> wrote:  , I use a vegetable brush. Might be a bit rough for ladies. However the aim is to get the skin glowing. Have you ever observed someone jogging or running their legs are usually quite red you can see the increased circulation. That is the benefit it cleans off old skin, rejuvenates through improved circulation It is quite well known in alternative circles. Expeiment with type of brush. You'll be glad you did.  From: M. <mmmgym@...>Subject: Re: Brushingiodine Date: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 22:21  :  What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush?   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 do you put anything on your brush or use it dry?? and if someone has a cancer is it ok to do the brushing....i have heard that you are not supposed to get massages if you have cancer (or at least not in the area of the lymph nodes ) due to concern of spreading the disease so was wondering if this would be similar to massage ?From: Lori Linek <squeezle68@...>To: iodine Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:52:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: Brushing , That's no kidding! I love using the brushing - I should do it more. , I use a medium-hardness natural bristle hairbrush. It feels soooo good and really does totally change your energy levels. It's like flipping a switch. I feel energized but relaxed at the same time? Hard to describe. I heard it's best to brush in the direction toward your heart but I tend to go back and forth. ~Lori L.http://naturalheali ngremedies. orgOn Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM, david kenna <davidjohnkenna@ .co. uk> wrote: , I use a vegetable brush. Might be a bit rough for ladies. However the aim is to get the skin glowing. Have you ever observed someone jogging or running their legs are usually quite red you can see the increased circulation. That is the benefit it cleans off old skin, rejuvenates through improved circulation It is quite well known in alternative circles. Expeiment with type of brush. You'll be glad you did. From: M. <mmmgym (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Brushingiodinegroups (DOT) com Date: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 22:21 : What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 You could get a cranial sacral treatment. Jag From: M. <mmmgym (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Brushingiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 22:21 : What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Lori, Glad it works for you. From: M. <mmmgym (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Brushingiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 22:21 : What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 do you brush your whole body...fingers toes and up neck and so on?? sounds like it would feel great ...thanks for the info...dawnFrom: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>iodine Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:15:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Brushing Hi Dawn, Dry is how I use it but you could experiment and discover what's good for you. has pointed to an aspect I forgot to mention the change in energy. I used to get up in the morning and would have difficulty waking up fully. So I tried a cold shower, another interesting approach which certainly wakes me up and improves circulation. So it complements the brush. As for cancer and brushing I only know that the two small warts vanished shortly after I started brushing. Imagine if you will a stagnant pool, water dirty and smelly and definetly not healthy. Thats what our body gets like when we have tensions and lack of movement.Poisons build up and we may end up with arthritis..a type of inflammation. So we release the tension and life forces start to flow through the area bringing fresh blood and oxygen and more efficient removal of wastes. The skin is the largest organ of elimination. and additional to the above steam baths, turkish baths excellent for removal of wastes and invigorating the body. Basically its about being more alive..Here is the way I describe it from my experience. Have you had the experience of sitting crossed legged for too long and when you go to get up your legs won't support you? Well waiting for just a few moments the leg probably the top one starts to tingle like pins and needles and then the blood flow returns and you can walk again. well this is a small version of what I mean parts of out body are tense and thus "deadened" and we are so used to being this way from way back when that we no longer notice. Unconscious tension wastes enormous amounts of energy. Dr Feldenkrais of the Feldenkrais method who was a physicist of some note before turning his attention to body work, reckoned that by the age of 40 we are in a state where we are holding 40% residual tension all the time. So our sleep doesn't properly refresh and we don't have anything like the energy we should have. Well its wasted holding on to tensions. Massage, Yoga, Tai Chi, and of course the extraordinary Feldenkrais method can bring about release , done regularly and properly. Hope this helps, From: dawn volz <dawnv5sbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re: Brushingiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 3:43 do you put anything on your brush or use it dry?? and if someone has a cancer is it ok to do the brushing.... i have heard that you are not supposed to get massages if you have cancer (or at least not in the area of the lymph nodes ) due to concern of spreading the disease so was wondering if this would be similar to massage ? From: Lori Linek <squeezle68gmail (DOT) com>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:52:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: Brushing , That's no kidding! I love using the brushing - I should do it more. , I use a medium-hardness natural bristle hairbrush. It feels soooo good and really does totally change your energy levels. It's like flipping a switch. I feel energized but relaxed at the same time? Hard to describe. I heard it's best to brush in the direction toward your heart but I tend to go back and forth. ~Lori L.http://naturalheali ngremedies. org On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM, david kenna <davidjohnkenna@ .co. uk> wrote: , I use a vegetable brush. Might be a bit rough for ladies. However the aim is to get the skin glowing. Have you ever observed someone jogging or running their legs are usually quite red you can see the increased circulation. That is the benefit it cleans off old skin, rejuvenates through improved circulation It is quite well known in alternative circles. Expeiment with type of brush. You'll be glad you did. From: M. <mmmgym (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Brushingiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 22:21 : What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Thanks for all the brushing advice. I tried it yesterday and it did feel good. If you want to continue the discussion, maybe we could at the helpfultidbits web site. Now back to iodine. :-) From: M. <mmmgym (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Brushingiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 17 November, 2009, 22:21 : What do you use to brush your skin? Also, in what direction do you brush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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