Re: Debbi - Gurgle burping , heh

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I have that

with just eating.

Debbi -

Gurgle burping , heh

In your manometry experience you mention

gurgle/burping.

Is this where air is being pushed up.. seemingly

from your stomach? If

there's too much food in the 'E' it can make your

sick?

I get this constantly. It is the first symptom

that showed up for my

Achalasia and I hadn't seen anyone else on the

board mention it. I

thought i was alone in that symptom

What causes this?! Is it really stomach gas, is it

fermentation in the

'e'... I can't seem to figure it out myself.

I know I get it particularly bad when I get spasms

and when i've eaten

to much and my LES won't relax even a little to

let it through.

Is it our body's defence mechanism? a way to relax

the LES if even for

just a second???

-Jess

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In your manometry experience you mention gurgle/burping.Is this where air is being pushed up.. seemingly from your stomach? If there's too much food in the 'E' it can make your sick?

In my case, it feels like it's just trapped air in my esophagus, not from my stomach. I also get regular "burps", the big belching sound that normal people get, but the gurgle noise is like a smaller cousin of that. The way I visualize it, b/c the body of my esophagus will have contractions at odd intervals, there are little bubbles and such that get trapped here and there, and sometimes they manage to "rise" up to the next level on their own.

I get this constantly. It is the first symptom that showed up for my Achalasia and I hadn't seen anyone else on the board mention it. I thought i was alone in that symptom

As notan mentioned, the "drainpipe gurgling noises" are rather commonly mentioned in the group. Mine thankfully only generally happen when I'm swallowing, but some people get them at random, not related to eating/drinking. There may even be multiple causes for the sounds... in some people it may be gas fermenting, in others it may be swallowed air in the stomach (a real "burp"), and in others it may be swallowed air in the esophagus (what I think mine tends to be).

I think that in my case, I have a little bubble in my esophagus that needs to come up, but my esophagus (either the whole thing or just a part of it) is squeezed shut (by the way, when I say "esophagus" I mean the tube-part, the body of the esophagus -- when I mean just the LES I'll say "LES" to differentiate). Well, any time you've got air trying to force through a spot that is smaller than what you need, you're gonna get a sound of some sort -- think of how a whistle works, or any wind musical instrument for that matter! In a normal person whose esophagus is loose and normal-sized, a bubble can come up as a regular old burp. But if you've got an esophagus with a part of it squeezed shut, the bubble has to squeeeeeeeeeeeze through there, and you end up w/ a funky sound.

I think every kid has experimented w/ a clear drinking straw, sucking it full of liquid then closing off the top end w/ tongue or finger so the liquid will "stick" even w/ the bottom not closed off. If you picture it in your mind, think of what happens when you tipped the straw too far to the side, or if you somehow broke the seal at the top end: the water dribbled out and air gurgled up the straw. That's kinda what I picture happening if I get a funky gurgle and/or burping noise/sensation.

Debbi in Michigan

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Hmm, well thank for expounding. I'm unsure if what I'm experiencing is

the same thing. It's generally very very silent unless I'm getting it

fast and furious. For me it is air causing pressure either under the

LES or very low in the esophegus. It takes quite a bit of work on my

part to get it up around any food that's in there and it will very

often make me sick while I'm eating. Is particularly bad when I have

spasm, sometimes I'll litterally vomit air.

I've spent a lot of time trying to figure which of the options it

could be. Dr. wasn't much help, her answer was that everyone gets

different symptoms. Great. Perhapse it's the same but silent, I'm not

sure...

Interesting though, I was really stunned when I first learned about

fermentation for Achalasiacs, now that's interesting. Makes me worry

about eating meat and dairy sometimes though. Wonder if I'll end up

getting sick from it :S

> In your manometry experience you mention gurgle/burping.

>

> Is this where air is being pushed up.. seemingly from your stomach?

If

> there's too much food in the 'E' it can make your sick?

>

> In my case, it feels like it's just trapped air in my esophagus, not

from my stomach. I also get regular " burps " , the big belching sound

that normal people get, but the gurgle noise is like a smaller cousin

of that. The way I visualize it, b/c the body of my esophagus will

have contractions at odd intervals, there are little bubbles and such

that get trapped here and there, and sometimes they manage to " rise "

up to the next level on their own.

>

> I get this constantly. It is the first symptom that showed up for my

Achalasia and I hadn't seen anyone else on the board mention it. I

thought i was alone in that symptom

>

> As notan mentioned, the " drainpipe gurgling noises " are rather

commonly mentioned in the group. Mine thankfully only generally

happen when I'm swallowing, but some people get them at random, not

related to eating/drinking. There may even be multiple causes for the

sounds... in some people it may be gas fermenting, in others it may be

swallowed air in the stomach (a real " burp " ), and in others it may be

swallowed air in the esophagus (what I think mine tends to be).

>

> I think that in my case, I have a little bubble in my esophagus that

needs to come up, but my esophagus (either the whole thing or just a

part of it) is squeezed shut (by the way, when I say " esophagus " I

mean the tube-part, the body of the esophagus -- when I mean just the

LES I'll say " LES " to differentiate). Well, any time you've got air

trying to force through a spot that is smaller than what you need,

you're gonna get a sound of some sort -- think of how a whistle works,

or any wind musical instrument for that matter! In a normal person

whose esophagus is loose and normal-sized, a bubble can come up as a

regular old burp. But if you've got an esophagus with a part of it

squeezed shut, the bubble has to squeeeeeeeeeeeze through there, and

you end up w/ a funky sound.

>

> I think every kid has experimented w/ a clear drinking straw,

sucking it full of liquid then closing off the top end w/ tongue or

finger so the liquid will " stick " even w/ the bottom not closed off.

If you picture it in your mind, think of what happens when you tipped

the straw too far to the side, or if you somehow broke the seal at the

top end: the water dribbled out and air gurgled up the straw. That's

kinda what I picture happening if I get a funky gurgle and/or burping

noise/sensation.

>

> Debbi in Michigan

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Interesting though, I was really stunned when I first learned about fermentation for Achalasiacs, now that's interesting. Makes me worry about eating meat and dairy sometimes though. Wonder if I'll end up getting sick from it :S

Just FYI, ANYTHING organic can "ferment" (decompose) in your esophagus if it just sits there long enough... it's not just "meat and dairy". Fruit, veggies, eggs, fish, nuts, grains.... you name it, if you get it wet and warm and leave it in the dark for a while, it's gonna get FUNKY!

I would also only be concerned about this if you see food that is "several days old" coming up on a regular basis... if you eat X on Monday and Y on Tuesday and Z on Wednesday and then on a "hurling expedition" on Thursday you're still seeing X come up, then you're probably more likely to have some funky decomposition going on down there.

I know everyone's different, but "back in the day" I could feel if stuff was just stuck there and not going through, so I would "self-lavage": I would chug down large amounts of water, bend over, and regurgitate it on purpose to "wash out" whatever chunks were lying around down there. Sometimes when my "gurge-on-demand function" wasn't working, I could just chug lots and lots of cold water (or soda pop.... carbonation was a guaranteed gurge for me!).... eventually the water would fill up my esophagus enough that it would get pissed off then then it would take care of the gurging for me all by itself. (So I guess technically this would still be described as a "voluntary" gurge, since I forced it to happen [by chugging the water] even though I didn't control the action itself.)

Not everyone can force a "regurge on demand", though, so "self-lavage" probably won't work for everyone. I would also do this at night, just before bed, to clear the pipes before I went to bed. It was bad enough to wake up choking on saliva going down my windpipe -- actual CHUNKS going down hurt even worse!Pepto Deb

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This is a really excellent idea. I almost drowned in my sleep last

night from regurgitation. I woke up choking, it was awful. I'm

commonly sick in the morning so this might fix that too. I just hate

the spams that usually come with it.

I do like the cleaning out idea. I had figured I'd try standing on my

head some time... but no one wants to do that when they feel cruddy.

heh. You're just a wealth of information. Thanx!

> Interesting though, I was really stunned when I first learned about

fermentation for Achalasiacs, now that's interesting. Makes me worry

about eating meat and dairy sometimes though. Wonder if I'll end up

getting sick from it :S

>

> Just FYI, ANYTHING organic can " ferment " (decompose) in your

esophagus if it just sits there long enough... it's not just " meat and

dairy " . Fruit, veggies, eggs, fish, nuts, grains.... you name it, if

you get it wet and warm and leave it in the dark for a while, it's

gonna get FUNKY!

>

> I would also only be concerned about this if you see food that is

" several days old " coming up on a regular basis... if you eat X on

Monday and Y on Tuesday and Z on Wednesday and then on a " hurling

expedition " on Thursday you're still seeing X come up, then you're

probably more likely to have some funky decomposition going on down

there.

>

> I know everyone's different, but " back in the day " I could feel if

stuff was just stuck there and not going through, so I would

" self-lavage " : I would chug down large amounts of water, bend over,

and regurgitate it on purpose to " wash out " whatever chunks were lying

around down there. Sometimes when my " gurge-on-demand function "

wasn't working, I could just chug lots and lots of cold water (or soda

pop.... carbonation was a guaranteed gurge for me!).... eventually the

water would fill up my esophagus enough that it would get pissed off

then then it would take care of the gurging for me all by itself. (So

I guess technically this would still be described as a " voluntary "

gurge, since I forced it to happen [by chugging the water] even though

I didn't control the action itself.)

>

> Not everyone can force a " regurge on demand " , though, so

" self-lavage " probably won't work for everyone. I would also do this

at night, just before bed, to clear the pipes before I went to bed.

It was bad enough to wake up choking on saliva going down my windpipe

-- actual CHUNKS going down hurt even worse!

>

> Pepto Deb