Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Hello Pete Have other thought these thoughts? Yes, Pete, others have thought those thoughts. You are not alone. I lost about 45 lbs before I got a diagnosis. My achalasia progressed pretty fast. I considered the weight loss a plus and was very happy to have lost it. I didn't just look better I felt better and that was the important part to me. At least I felt better for a while. Then I reached the point that I had no energy and felt horrible. I didn't have surgery, but I had a dilatation and was glad to be able to eat again because I had reached the point that I couldn't even keep water down. I think I actually lived on chocolates. I love chocolate, sooooooooo of course I kept eating chocolate and put back on about 40 lbs. I am beginning to lose food again, but I am getting food down too. Enough that I am losing some of the weight, but very slowly. I am still able to get down liquids and I don't feel exhausted like I did before. I did have an endoscopy a few months ago and was told that I should wait a while longer for additional treatment. But you better believe if I reach the stage I did before I had my dilatation I will be getting some kind of treatment, weight or no weight. Have no fear, you are not a freak...I know there are others who have been happy to have the weight off as well. I think most people who have fought the weight battle feels happy about that part of it. You will simply need to be aware that it is easy to put back on and not be an idiot and eat like I did. I tried to make up for lost time. LOL Good luck Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Pete, I know what you mean. I've battled obesity since I was about six years old, and I was actually about 50# into a 100+# weight loss cycle when my symptoms progressed to the point of "water don't go downhill no more!" Since I was already losing weight on purpose, it was nice to be able to be a bit "lazy" about it. By the time I finally had my second dilation, I was giving Calista Flockhart a run for her money, I was so thin. (I was underweight -- I would never want to get THAT thin and weak again!) I did put on some weight after the dilation worked, but then I really put it on when I became pregnant with my son a year after the dilation (you don't have to worry about THAT at least!) Right now my symptoms are s-l-o-w-l-y coming back, bit by bit, and I'm still about 50-60 pounds overweight. I'm monitoring the condition of my esophagus (watching for stretching out, etc.), but I'm not planning on having surgery until I get to that "in a bad way" state of living, providing that my esophagus doesn't get too stretched out. I would discuss your concerns w/ your doctor; each situation is so unique! If you're getting enough down that you're not stretching out your esophagus, you should be "safe" to hold off on surgery. But if the night choking/aspiration is giving you pneumonia and you're to the point where you can no longer eat in public, you have to evaluate if you're doing more damage to your esophagus (a stretched out esophagus is more likely to need an esophagectomy) and if your quality of life has deteriorated. If you can't enjoy time w/ family and friends, is it worth it to be skinny? Three decades of yo-yo weight ranges and going back and forth being "normal" size or being "fat" has made this something that I'm unfortunately very familiar with. It's just a personal decision, and like I said every situation is different.... Pepto Deb I have lost about 30 lb. since developing achalasia. I have gotten many compliments from people. I feel better about myself. I look great when I look in the mirror. I ask myself this question many times. Will I put the weight back on if I undergo the surgery? There is a side of me that gets excited every time I lose a pound or two. I see it as one of the greatest things that has happened to me. I also enjoy the extra attention when people know I have a "condition." I know surgery is what I need, and the condition will get worse. But, part of me doesn't want the surgery. Part of me would rather gag on food than put the weight back on. While I would never cause myself to vomit, there is a side of me that feels good when I lose my lunch, thinking, I could lose the weight anyway. There is a part of me that thinks that Achalasia is the best thing that ever happened to me. Have other thought these thoughts? Did other put the weight back on? Do other sometimes not want surgery? Boston Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Pete, I have a huge struggle with this & I really, really appreciate your frankness & honesty. My sister has had anorexia for over 20 years, so I have been super sensitive to this whole issue. In addition, I have been pregnant and/or nursing for the better part of the past 14 years, so let's just say "I looked like I had had 6 kids". I lost 45 lbs before the surgery and actually started getting bony. Dan even said the other day that I had gotten too skinny (thankfully, he likes "healthy women"....well, hopefully only one "healthy woman" -lol!). He never would have said it at the time because he knew I wasn't trying to lose weight. I had the surgery 2 months ago. I have gained 5 lbs. I think I am great right here. I really need to start exercising (I want to start running again), but I haven't yet. I need to just do it. But also, I really can't overeat right now. I get spasms when I eat too much. Also, I still need water to push the food down, so for me, I doubt I will gain back a huge amount. Also, I remember that the surgery isn't a cure and I may have a time when I'm too thin at some point. My doc actually put me on Paxil for anxiety over eating (about 1 month ago) & for the spasms. It has helped a lot. I was anxious to eat because I was scared I'd choke. Since the Paxil, I have put on the 5 lbs, but I also needed it & I don't think I'll over do. Hope this helps. I truly am glad you brought it up. I also think it is great to voice your concerns to someone who will hold you accountable to a healthy weight.....I told both my GI and PCP my concerns and they were great about it. Of course, we can always make you send us photos of you in a swimsuit to keep you accountable! hahahhaha- kidding. Cindi ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Hi Pete! I totally understand where you are coming from. In the last year and a half, I have lost 70lbs. Most of it was before I was officially diagnosed with A, but I know that at least 10lbs have been lost since I was diagnosed. I think close to half of the weight has to do with A, but did not know it at the time. My greatest fear about having the surgery, is the same as yours. Will I gain it back?? That would be horrible. My husband is with me 100% to help me keep it off, and we would like to start a family when I am “better” so that will also help keep me motivated to stay where I am at weight-wise. I am constantly getting compliments as well, and would love nothing more than to stay at the 160lbs I am at (even a little below is ok by me!). I don’t think I would ever actually NOT have the myotomy done, as I know in my heart (and throat!) it is the only thing that will help me at this point, other that continuing to live on oatmeal and mushroom soup. I can handle it a bit longer as needed, but for another 80+ years of my life (I am praying!), I doubt it! Stay positive Pete, and know that to cut is most likely the best thing for you, too. Good luck! 21 Chilliwack, BC I have lost about 30 lb. since developing achalasia. I have gotten many compliments from people. I feel better about myself. I look great when I look in the mirror. I ask myself this question many times. Will I put the weight back on if I undergo the surgery? There is a side of me that gets excited every time I lose a pound or two. I see it as one of the greatest things that has happened to me. I also enjoy the extra attention when people know I have a " condition. " I know surgery is what I need, and the condition will get worse. But, part of me doesn't want the surgery. Part of me would rather gag on food than put the weight back on. While I would never cause myself to vomit, there is a side of me that feels good when I lose my lunch, thinking, I could lose the weight anyway. There is a part of me that thinks that Achalasia is the best thing that ever happened to me. Have other thought these thoughts? Did other put the weight back on? Do other sometimes not want surgery? Boston Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hi Boston Pete, I have also had those feelings. I thought it was great loosing weight, even though my family thought I was bulimic. I just had to assure them that I wasn’t and that I really was hungry and wanted to be able to eat. I had lost 60 lbs and was at the point where I couldn’t swallow my saliva. I hadn’t even been diagnosed yet and didn’t have a clue what was wrong. Luckily, I guess by the grace of God, one day I was able to get the food down by drinking tea. My LES just wooshed open! It was great! And then I started putting the weight back on…but not all of it. After I had surgery, I remember my surgeon coming in and whispering to me…”you are going to be thin”! I will never forget that! I was still in this almost hypnotic state of mind, and I can hear his words and his voice so clearly over and over in my mind! LOL I have lost weight since surgery. I lost 18lbs the week I was in the hospital and then I started on the Omega Zone diet about 9 months after my surgery. I basically just changed my eating habits. I don’t like to think of it as a diet, because when I diet, I ALWAYS gain weight. I lost another 25 lbs and then I gained some weight back when I was going to school. I really need to eat when I’m studying, but I’m finished with school now, and back to my regular “good” eating habits, and beginning to loose weight again. Sometimes I want ice cream, and I know I’ll gain weight if I eat it, but it doesn’t go down well, I think because of the cold, so when I eat ice cream, I never wash it down with water. I always go in the bathroom and gurge it back up. I know it sounds bad, but I’m still guilty of taking advantage of being able to “gurge”. It’s just not as easy to gurge as it used to be. Good to hear from you. I wish all our men would post more often. You men all crack me up! But maybe we women just get a little too chatty sometimes? LOL Sorry you’re getting worse. I would recommend you go ahead and have surgery. You can still gurge post surgery, but it’s not a very pleasant habit to get into. I think your horse is absolutely beautiful! What kind is it? It almost looks like a Clydesdale! Mylanta Mint ~Sandi LOL To cut or not to cut? I have lost about 30 lb. since developing achalasia. I have gotten many compliments from people. I feel better about myself. I look great when I look in the mirror. I ask myself this question many times. Will I put the weight back on if I undergo the surgery? There is a side of me that gets excited every time I lose a pound or two. I see it as one of the greatest things that has happened to me. I also enjoy the extra attention when people know I have a " condition. " I know surgery is what I need, and the condition will get worse. But, part of me doesn't want the surgery. Part of me would rather gag on food than put the weight back on. While I would never cause myself to vomit, there is a side of me that feels good when I lose my lunch, thinking, I could lose the weight anyway. There is a part of me that thinks that Achalasia is the best thing that ever happened to me. Have other thought these thoughts? Did other put the weight back on? Do other sometimes not want surgery? Boston Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hi Sandi, It's not the cold that makes it hard to eat ice-cream. It's because it is so light that it turns to foam and makes it impossible to force down. I haven't ever been overweight, but I have suffered from fainting spells from not being able to eat. I guess I'm the opposite. I would be happy to have a few extra pounds. I went to bed an hour ago and woke up thinking about Biancka. We are such a close Achalasia family. I guess I'll stay up now and play Hearts on pogo.com. My boys leave tomorrow for Fort Hope. It's been an extremely emotional 6 months. Unfortunately, I'll always have to remember "Canada Day" as the day my boys returned the reservation. My girls are thrilled, but I am sad. Wishing I was also in California :-) . P.S. Gorgeous Horse Pete! RE: To cut or not to cut? Hi Boston Pete, I have also had those feelings. I thought it was great loosing weight, even though my family thought I was bulimic. I just had to assure them that I wasn’t and that I really was hungry and wanted to be able to eat. I had lost 60 lbs and was at the point where I couldn’t swallow my saliva. I hadn’t even been diagnosed yet and didn’t have a clue what was wrong. Luckily, I guess by the grace of God, one day I was able to get the food down by drinking tea. My LES just wooshed open! It was great! And then I started putting the weight back on…but not all of it. After I had surgery, I remember my surgeon coming in and whispering to me…”you are going to be thin”! I will never forget that! I was still in this almost hypnotic state of mind, and I can hear his words and his voice so clearly over and over in my mind! LOL I have lost weight since surgery. I lost 18lbs the week I was in the hospital and then I started on the Omega Zone diet about 9 months after my surgery. I basically just changed my eating habits. I don’t like to think of it as a diet, because when I diet, I ALWAYS gain weight. I lost another 25 lbs and then I gained some weight back when I was going to school. I really need to eat when I’m studying, but I’m finished with school now, and back to my regular “good” eating habits, and beginning to loose weight again. Sometimes I want ice cream, and I know I’ll gain weight if I eat it, but it doesn’t go down well, I think because of the cold, so when I eat ice cream, I never wash it down with water. I always go in the bathroom and gurge it back up. I know it sounds bad, but I’m still guilty of taking advantage of being able to “gurge”. It’s just not as easy to gurge as it used to be. Good to hear from you. I wish all our men would post more often. You men all crack me up! But maybe we women just get a little too chatty sometimes? LOL Sorry you’re getting worse. I would recommend you go ahead and have surgery. You can still gurge post surgery, but it’s not a very pleasant habit to get into. I think your horse is absolutely beautiful! What kind is it? It almost looks like a Clydesdale! Mylanta Mint ~Sandi LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 wrote: I guess I'll stay up now and play Hearts on pogo.com. I also enjoy hearts. When our family gets together we play cancellation hearts, a very mean version of hearts, good for six to ten players. Maybe some of the Achalasians could get a private table for standard hearts in one of the rooms at: http://games./games/login2?page=he I have never played on games but my son does. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 , If you ever come out here…you’re always welcome to stay with me! I agree it’s the foam too, but I think for me it’s also the cold! Cold always makes my esophagus seize up tighter. Hope Bianka did well. Wish we could all go visit her! LOL Sandi Re: To cut or not to cut? Hi Sandi, It's not the cold that makes it hard to eat ice-cream. It's because it is so light that it turns to foam and makes it impossible to force down. I haven't ever been overweight, but I have suffered from fainting spells from not being able to eat. I guess I'm the opposite. I would be happy to have a few extra pounds. I went to bed an hour ago and woke up thinking about Biancka. We are such a close Achalasia family. I guess I'll stay up now and play Hearts on pogo.com. My boys leave tomorrow for Fort Hope. It's been an extremely emotional 6 months. Unfortunately, I'll always have to remember " Canada Day " as the day my boys returned the reservation. My girls are thrilled, but I am sad. Wishing I was also in California :-) . P.S. Gorgeous Horse Pete! RE: To cut or not to cut? Hi Boston Pete, I have also had those feelings. I thought it was great loosing weight, even though my family thought I was bulimic. I just had to assure them that I wasn’t and that I really was hungry and wanted to be able to eat. I had lost 60 lbs and was at the point where I couldn’t swallow my saliva. I hadn’t even been diagnosed yet and didn’t have a clue what was wrong. Luckily, I guess by the grace of God, one day I was able to get the food down by drinking tea. My LES just wooshed open! It was great! And then I started putting the weight back on…but not all of it. After I had surgery, I remember my surgeon coming in and whispering to me…”you are going to be thin”! I will never forget that! I was still in this almost hypnotic state of mind, and I can hear his words and his voice so clearly over and over in my mind! LOL I have lost weight since surgery. I lost 18lbs the week I was in the hospital and then I started on the Omega Zone diet about 9 months after my surgery. I basically just changed my eating habits. I don’t like to think of it as a diet, because when I diet, I ALWAYS gain weight. I lost another 25 lbs and then I gained some weight back when I was going to school. I really need to eat when I’m studying, but I’m finished with school now, and back to my regular “good” eating habits, and beginning to loose weight again. Sometimes I want ice cream, and I know I’ll gain weight if I eat it, but it doesn’t go down well, I think because of the cold, so when I eat ice cream, I never wash it down with water. I always go in the bathroom and gurge it back up. I know it sounds bad, but I’m still guilty of taking advantage of being able to “gurge”. It’s just not as easy to gurge as it used to be. Good to hear from you. I wish all our men would post more often. You men all crack me up! But maybe we women just get a little too chatty sometimes? LOL Sorry you’re getting worse. I would recommend you go ahead and have surgery. You can still gurge post surgery, but it’s not a very pleasant habit to get into. I think your horse is absolutely beautiful! What kind is it? It almost looks like a Clydesdale! Mylanta Mint ~Sandi LOL Groups Links · To visit your group on the web, go to: achalasia/ · Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Oooo…I want to play too! So which room would we go to…the Gregarious Group??? LOL Sandi Re: To cut or not to cut? wrote: I guess I'll stay up now and play Hearts on pogo.com. I also enjoy hearts. When our family gets together we play cancellation hearts, a very mean version of hearts, good for six to ten players. Maybe some of the Achalasians could get a private table for standard hearts in one of the rooms at: http://games./games/login2?page=he I have never played on games but my son does. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 If you can't enjoy time w/ family and friends, is it worth it to be skinny? Nice one Deb. That's so true. I think that's my biggest "sticking point" <groan> about my achalasia symptoms.... I can handle it where I am right now (I can eat at restaurants, I only rarely hurl, etc.) but if I ever get to the point again where eating/drinking consume my thoughts 24/7 (both in wanting to be able to do it, and also in doing all the planning that is involved.... making sure there's enough water and a gurge-receptacle at all times, making sure there's nobody who is going to be grossed out, etc.) to the point that I'm hesitant to even eat the cake at a wedding reception, there's no doubt in my mind that I'd seek treatment again. Gee, I think I should've kept my mouth shut being I've never been overweight. Not at all, at least not in my opinion! I thought you had a LOT of good stuff to add to the discussion -- that's the great thing about a whole-group discussion... you get a lot of DIFFERENT perspectives to a situation, so you get a more well-rounded "big picture"! It would be pretty boring to only ever talk to people who are the same age, gender, weight, height, race, socio-economic status, ethnic/regional background, political and religious affiliation all the time.... one person would talk and everyone else would just say "yes, I agree"! LOL in NYC, who's wondering what her nickname should be. :/ Well, if I didn't like you, I'd probably call you a skinny <insert derogatory term of your choice>! LOL But since you're such a great person, we'll have to come up with something besides " who lives where Jeter plays pro ball but not where he was born and not where he learned to play baseball"..... any suggestions? Pepto Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Cindi wrote: Pete, I have a huge struggle with this & I really, really appreciate your frankness & honesty. Cindi, I meant to say something to this effect in my response, but I don't think I ever did, so now I'll just add a big "Ditto what Cindi said"!The honesty and openness in this group is what makes it as wonderful and powerful as it is..... Pepto Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 wrote: My boys leave tomorrow for Fort Hope. It's been an extremely emotional 6 months. Unfortunately, I'll always have to remember "Canada Day" as the day my boys returned the reservation. My girls are thrilled, but I am sad. , I can't believe it's been 6 mos already!!!! I don't know how you do it.... I've often thought about foster-parenting, but between our irregular situation (w/ hubby's travel, etc. -- I think foster kids esp. REALLY need routine and predictability for their own emotional security) and my own tendency to become attached to those around me, I don't think that it would work for us. I just don't know if I could give the kids back when it was time. Bless you for what you do for kids!!!Deb in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Hello In reference to your comment: It's just that I'm sure those who have battled with weight don't want to hear from a "skinny b.tch" like me. ;o) Nah, , any Achalasian with a great sense of humor could never be called that. We are just so jealous of you we want to bop you in the nose is all. LOL We love ya just the same, Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Thanks for the replies everyone, Yes, we men don't alk alot on this forum. But we are here. I will go ahead with the surgery, but these are the fears which I have. I am currently at 169lb. I was at 199lb. I almost am obsessing about my fear of putting the weight back on. There is one side of me that wants to put the surgery off as long as possible. I can still eat a lot of things on good days. But there are the days I can't swallow my own saliva. I had to pull over the car on the highway a few weeks ago to vomit on the side of the road. The horse is not mine. It a horse I took for a ride recently at the stables. He's for sale. The picture is a picture of a Friesian, which are similar to clysdales, but can pull carts, jump and be ridden. My wife wanted to but the Friesian mix, we don't know what the other half is. I just like the way Friesian's look. Here's another cool picture I found of a Friesian. Yes, I'll go ahead with the surgery. But I want everyone to keep me accountable to not put the weight back on. Boston Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 in NYC, who's wondering what her nickname should be. :/ How about "The nator" Boston Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 After putting on my 15 pounds, I felt fat. (still do). And it's hard to admit. But not fitting in your clothes would do that to you. Yep.... everything's relative!!!! Well, glad ya like me enough NOT to call me the "skinny b.tch" LOL. But PLEEEASE, nothing with Jeter!!! OOOOOOOO, now I know how to "get" at ya if I need to! LOL in NYC, who's too boring to have a nickname...lol. How about "Nice in NYC"? (if you sound out NYC instead of doing the letters N.Y.C., you've got alliteration of Nice - Neece - Nice going on!) Or "Neesie" would combine the end of your name with the end of N.Y.C.? Do you have any hobbies? Compulsions? Phobias? We can find SOMETHING to pick on you about!LOLPepto Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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