Re: New here (OT)

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In a message dated 04/05/2000 6:32:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

j.clappison@... writes:

<< Having known some dozen or so (British) teachers (of under 11's) over the

last few years, sadly, I have come to the conclusion that with only 1

exception, that's another reason I'm thankful I haven't had kids. >>

in all of the teachers both kids have had, I have only seen one

that was burnt-out and didn't belong in the classroom

the tenure system needs to be re-examined for those hanging in there for

nothing but retirement

Barb

whose son's special high school has incredible teachers

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You know, I did not mean to start a homeschool discussion. I definetely

did not want anyone to feel defensive, like they need to defend why they use

the school systems, or why they do not. My philosophy has always been that

every family should do what is best for their family. I do not put people

down for sending their children to public school! Though I must admit that

many people do not give us that same consideration. ( I am not talking about

anyone on this list!)

I am speaking only for me and my family. I had a very bad public school

experience. My husband did too. When our oldest was born we decided to

homeschool because we did not want her to have to go through the same thing.

But since then our reason for homeschooling has changed. If I was to give one

reason now it would be because I love being with these great kids here. I

look at them, growing up so fast, and know that they will be going out on

their own before I wish they would. But for now we are together and having a

great time. For those who do not understand why anyone would homeschool, when

the schools are great, maybe now you will understand. As good as public

schools may be they would still take my kids away from our home 8+ hours a

day. And then there is homework that would need to be done. For US homeschool

works. I know not everyone even has the option to homeschool. It is drain on

finances to have one parent home. I understand that not everyone wants to

homeschool, that is great. And I know that you all still love and adore your

children. No one is wrong in this debate, we all just want the best for our

beloved children.

And for anyone out there who is a teacher I do have a couple thing to

say.

First, you have a very hard job and I hope that everyone you meet appreciates

you, for they should! I really do not know how you do it. You have my highest

respect.

Now back to Tae Bo.

Candace

Please excuse the typos, I got kicked in the elbow last night in karate. The

elbow that was already injured.

Typing is a challenge

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In a message dated 04/05/2000 9:10:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

discovery6@... writes:

<< Now back to Tae Bo. >>

Candace,

I enjoyed the homeschool discussion

and believe everything in our lives contributes to our feeling of wellness

and affects our fitness so there really is no *Off-Topic* discussion.

Sharing feelings and opinions helps us to know more about ourselves

and to perhaps, see new resolutions

Barb

who had a tough enough time when #1 flew the coop and cannot imagine how much

tougher it would have been if as close as you feel to your kids

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In a message dated 4/5/00 9:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

discovery6@... writes:

<< Candace

Please excuse the typos, I got kicked in the elbow last night in karate. The

elbow that was already injured.

Typing is a challenge

>>

Ouch Candace!!! I hope it gets better soon! Do you like your karate class? I

am thinking about taking Tae Kwon Do. I have been talking about it for weeks.

I need to just break down and call to find out how much the classes are!

[Guest guest]

Hi all.

I feel Compelled to write back here--- I have two Girls-12 and

nearly 11,and Both are achieving " above average " Grades in State

Schools.

My eldest Got 2 Level 5's and 1 level 4in SATS,at a time when That

age Group was Only expected to achieve 4's Tops.

My Youngest is about to take her SATS After the Holidays-and She is

also expected to Achieve well.

They are In a School-all be it a small school,of Max 30 to a

Class,where Music and Arts Is also encouraged.although Not as Much as

I think it should be

Incedentally! Derbyshire County Council has Just recieved a Grant

from

the Lottery to Fund Music in Schools Again--At last.

My Two have Private Lessons--again,they are Doing well!

Got a Distinction in Her Grade 1 Flute Exam Recently--

Has Passed with Distinction in 1 and 2!

In the last 7 years--I have found MOST Teachers--- Here anyway! to be

Driven By A Love of Teaching,and Seeing Children Blossom---and in

This

area-The School teachers Operate Old Fashioned values,and Have been

" back to basics of the 3R's long before the New Goverment Pushed it-

Yes! a few are Ready For retirement,But Our Children also Get Out of

the System what we as Parents Push For and Invest In--

i.e.... you want the Best--You Encourage and Push the Right Buttons.

Off My Soap Box Now-

Oh! By the way--There is an English/British Home Schooling

Assosciation as I " Pondered " VERY BRIEFLY,When My Two Were

younger--But Haven't enough Patience

Janet

Who Appreciates also Barbs OBVIOUS Investment in Her Children!

Espescially--From the sounds of it--Her Youngest!

In tae-bo_onegroups, Horsemom2@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 04/05/2000 6:32:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> j.clappison@... writes:

>

> << Having known some dozen or so (British) teachers (of under 11's)

over the

> last few years, sadly, I have come to the conclusion that with

only

1

> exception, that's another reason I'm thankful I haven't had kids.

>>

>

> in all of the teachers both kids have had, I have only seen one

> that was burnt-out and didn't belong in the classroom

> the tenure system needs to be re-examined for those hanging in

there

for

> nothing but retirement

>

> Barb

> whose son's special high school has incredible teachers

[Guest guest]

Candace!

Janet In UK Here--Hia!

I replied Before to The School Subject-as I put there--I,Originally

Pondered on Home school for mine,But Didn't feel I would have

enough

Patience

I DO ADMIRE YOU--And Respect You--and am quite a Bit Jealous

too--when

you said How you all Tae Bo,and spend so Much Quality time

Together--My Heart Skipped and I looked

at

My two--sat There watching Bart Bloomin Simpson,and I wished we were

as close as You sound..

Don't get me wrong--We are " Quite " close--But I would LOVE To be ALOT

Closer to My 12 year Old ---Is it her age? or do all 12 Year Olds the

world over Look at You If You glance at them and say--**WHAT?????** "

in a really strange,almost Obnoxious Voice--I got that wrong--IT IS A

Strange Obnoxious Voice--LOL.

Okay! She did start her Periods early--at 11 and 2 Months--so I feel

for her--But we clash alot....then again-we are Both sooooo alike!

As for ,Well! she is More in tune to me----for the time Being

that Is!!!

She Understands Me more,when I weep at A Film--she Coo's,and If I am

Stressed-she will Instinctively Make me a Cup of tea..

so you see---I envy what You have got there--

we Bought Mountain Bikes To " Do things together as a Family " But

Now it is JUST and Myself that Cycle.

I guess they Just Don't share Our Fitness Drives Yet!

But! EVERY Day-whatever I do,and Say to my Girls---I do with the

future in mind--Hoping that

One

Day-They will Realise I do It Because I love them--Like their Music

Practise! LOL

If I discipline--I have always Given them A Reason. Boy! do I

sometimes regret That Now-a-days when They also Question me back--The

times I wish i could just say--Cus I said so! But I have Bought them

up to question what they do and think!

If I have to Say No--I make sure it is Because I am Being realistic

and Not Because I am " IN A Mood. "

and If I have Done wrong--I always Say I am sorry---and Hope they

Will Be as True to themselves and Others,as I have tried to Be.

Mostly! I hope they come To me in the future in as Big a " friend "

capacity as I go to My Mum!

we are all Teachers I guess--I just Entrusted Their Academic

Teaching--Most Of It anyway! to An Establishment---I hold My hat Off

to you--And hope and Pray My 2 Turn Out as

Useful,Honest,Loving,Thoughtful People First--with a Good academic

Head On Them Second....Or Maybe Equally!

I also Hope and Pray They Have enough encouragement from The Said

" Establishment " to back up Mine and s--and that They continue

to

Flourish and Develop Both Emotionally and Academically..

Anyway!

enough!

As you say--Back to Tae-Bo

Janet

BTW! Vaneesa DID Try Tae Bo with me twice--But -the 12 Year

Old-Just Laughed and said-- " OOO--WER! That looks too easy! "

LOL---maybe ONE DAY--I will Catch her Trying it!

I hope so

Janet

Who has a New Ambition since Candace Joined the group-and that is To

Unite her Family in Tae-Bo'ing TOGETHER!!!!!!

tae-bo_onegroups, discovery6@a... wrote:

> Hi,

> You know, I did not mean to start a homeschool discussion. I

definetely

> did not want anyone to feel defensive, like they need to defend why

they use

> the school systems, or why they do not. My philosophy has always

been that

> every family should do what is best for their family. I do not put

people

> down for sending their children to public school! Though I must

admit that

> many people do not give us that same consideration. ( I am not

talking about

> anyone on this list!)

> I am speaking only for me and my family. I had a very bad

public

school

> experience. My husband did too. When our oldest was born we decided

to

> homeschool because we did not want her to have to go through the

same thing.

> But since then our reason for homeschooling has changed. If I was

to

give one

> reason now it would be because I love being with these great kids

here. I

> look at them, growing up so fast, and know that they will be going

out on

> their own before I wish they would. But for now we are together and

having a

> great time. For those who do not understand why anyone would

homeschool, when

> the schools are great, maybe now you will understand. As good as

public

> schools may be they would still take my kids away from our home 8+

hours a

> day. And then there is homework that would need to be done. For US

homeschool

> works. I know not everyone even has the option to homeschool. It is

drain on

> finances to have one parent home. I understand that not everyone

wants to

> homeschool, that is great. And I know that you all still love and

adore your

> children. No one is wrong in this debate, we all just want the best

for our

> beloved children.

> And for anyone out there who is a teacher I do have a couple

thing to

> say.

> First, you have a very hard job and I hope that everyone you meet

appreciates

> you, for they should! I really do not know how you do it. You have

my highest

> respect.

> Now back to Tae Bo.

>

> Candace

> Please excuse the typos, I got kicked in the elbow last night in

karate. The

> elbow that was already injured.

> Typing is a challenge

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/5/00 2:52:50 PM Central Daylight Time,

bunnykinsfan@... writes:

<< Got a Distinction in Her Grade 1 Flute Exam Recently--

Has Passed with Distinction in 1 and 2!

>>

Who hoo!!!!! How long have they been playing. If they ever need solo

suggestions I'm sure CIndyLV and I would love to giver our input!!!! :-)

who misses practicing for solo and ensemble

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the message about teachers. I really do appreciate it. My

concern with home schooling is the social aspect. I am sure your children

are more academically advanced due to you being able to provide lessons

geared towards their needs and you can challenge them more. However, school

is so much more to my 4 kids than just learning Math and English. This is

where there peer group is. This is where my son get the opportunity to play

for the school baseball team and my daughter get to be a High School

cheerleader and go to the prom. This is where my 7 year old gets to be on

stage in a talent show and my 8 year old gets student of the month. I am

sure your children have access to all sorts of social situations. But I

can't imagine my kids not being given the chance to do these thing in school.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/5/00 10:21:32 PM Central Daylight Time,

drillermom@... writes:

<< However, school

is so much more to my 4 kids than just learning Math and English. This is

where there peer group is. This is where my son get the opportunity to play

for the school baseball team and my daughter get to be a High School

cheerleader and go to the prom. This is where my 7 year old gets to be on

stage in a talent show and my 8 year old gets student of the month. I am

sure your children have access to all sorts of social situations. But I

can't imagine my kids not being given the chance to do these thing in

school. >>

Hi,

Social situations in school are only fun if you get picked,

befriended, dated, and are popular. But this is not always the case for many

students. I am happy for your children, more power to them. I share in your

pride for them! But I know so many children that are unpopular, lonely,

ridiculed, and depressed. And my heart always goes out to them.

There is a local homeschool group here which offers, co-op classes,

PE classes, lab classes, field trips, parties, graduation, musicals, plays,

football, basketball, baseball, (competitive), music, and more. There is a

Learning Center that offers the use of computers and software to those who do

not have one in the home. We pick and choose what we want to participate in.

We also help out where needed. We take karate classes twice a week and race

bmx bicycles on weekends. Several times a month the kids go and visit with

several senior citizens that they have befriended in the closest town.

Anymore social activities and we would need more days in the week.

Homeschool, private school, or public school....it is all wonderful. I would

never tell anyone that they should homeschool. Anymore than I would tell

people to be vegetarian or Christian or anything else. Choices...that is what

makes life such a joy.

Candace

" I never let schoolin interfer with my education "

Mark Twain

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/5/00 10:21:34 PM Central Daylight Time,

drillermom@... writes:

<< Thanks for the message about teachers. I really do appreciate it. My

concern with home schooling is the social aspect. I am sure your children

are more academically advanced due to you being able to provide lessons

geared towards their needs and you can challenge them more. However, school

is so much more to my 4 kids than just learning Math and English. This is

where there peer group is. This is where my son get the opportunity to play

for the school baseball team and my daughter get to be a High School

cheerleader and go to the prom. This is where my 7 year old gets to be on

stage in a talent show and my 8 year old gets student of the month. I am

sure your children have access to all sorts of social situations. But I

can't imagine my kids not being given the chance to do these thing in

school. >>

I'm going to add my two cents in to this discussion. My brother and I were

very fprtunate to have an awesome education thanks to the wonderful NY State

Schools ( NOT NYC) but our elementary and middle school educations were very

high quality. QWhen we moved to Texas we were several years ahead until we

reached high school. Again, we were blessed with a wonderful high school.

HOWEVER, to my dismay I've watched the schools in San fall short of

sparkling the last few years. And I've visited other schools in the nation on

my travels with band and I can say that many are very sorely lacking. If I

were a parent I would have to take my child's individual school into account

when I decided whether or not I home schooled. Ideally I would have access

to some sort of voucher system, but <sigh> that may never happen. At first I

REALLY wondered about children who were home schooled. I dated a guy when I

was younger who was homeschooled. He was brilliant but he was a bit odd,

then I realized it was just his personality. Later on a co-worker of mine

introduced me to his 3 children that were homschooled. Not only did each

child play a musical instrument, but they were fluent in 3 languages and were

were working on math I didn't work on until I was in high school. The oldest

child was 12 years old!!! I think the thing I never realized about home

schooled children was that they met with other home schooled children quite

often. In fact many people I know have their kids going to different house

or churches on different days for classes. I know it will never be exciting

as being able to participate in the marching band or football team, but I

definitly think it is a wonderful thing for a child when the school system

they are presented with is lacking.

Who wonders if any of you education gurus knows anything about available

vouchers for San residents who live outside the famed Edgewood School

District. AND BTW Romie I have a bid in on a child's violin. If I get it,

there will have to be some rules set up on being nice to Mr. Violin. :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi -It's obvious that you don't understand how homeschooling

works, nor do you care for this concept, but I feel I do have to

clarify an assumption you have made and then this issue will be a

dead

subject, at least for me.

First, Candance and I shouldn't have to justify our decision to

homeschool our children on an exercise board.

Second, you have assumed that my children have never attended

school

functions, nor could they be a cheerleader, play sports, etc.

Nothing

is further from the truth. As a homeschooled child (at least in our

state) both of my children were allowed to attend any class, play any

sport and attend all the dances at our highschool. Their social

lives

have have been full, both with their fellow peers and through their

church. Yes, my daughter was never a cheerleader, but she chose

never to be one, but she did play soccer and she did attend many

dances. My son chose never to be a jock, but he does play golf and

he

too has been to many dances.

I'm extremely proud how my two children have turned out. Both

children are loving, outgoing, caring, intelligent and extremely

giving of their time.

In closing, no one is wrong in this issue. We have all done what

we

thought was best for our children. I'm sure you've done an excellent

job with your children, as well.

[Guest guest]

Candace,

I agree with you. I am sorry about my message last night. Yesterday

was a horrible day. One of my students who had leukemia died Tuesday night.

He was at Duke University receiving a cell transplant and the whole school

thought he was doing better. The atmosphere at our school yesterday was

devastating. Grief counselors and students in hysterics. This student was

very much loved and the whole community rallied around him this year to help

him. Just a horrible day. good luck to you and your children. Perhaps

someday all 8 of our kids could get together. We could Taebo!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/6/00 4:08:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

drillermom@... writes:

<< Candace,

I agree with you. I am sorry about my message last night. Yesterday

was a horrible day. One of my students who had leukemia died Tuesday night.

He was at Duke University receiving a cell transplant and the whole school

thought he was doing better. The atmosphere at our school yesterday was

devastating. Grief counselors and students in hysterics. This student was

very much loved and the whole community rallied around him this year to help

him. Just a horrible day. good luck to you and your children. Perhaps

someday all 8 of our kids could get together. We could Taebo!!! >>

Oh no, I am so sorry. How horrible. I'll pray for his family and all who knew

him. Take care.

who is depressed today and could really use some good news

[Guest guest]

Sorry I started this issue. I APOLOGIZE!!

---whose 16 year old probably would have been better off not to be a

cheerleader

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/06/2000 5:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dstout5@... writes:

<< I've learned a very valuable lesson here. Because we don't know

what's going on in other's lives, we should always be respectful of

each other. >>

amen

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am sorry to hear about the student who died. That must have been really

tough. The students there are lucky to have teachers who care so much.

Wish we could all get together too

Candace

[Guest guest]

> Sorry I started this issue. I APOLOGIZE!!

-I'm the one who needed to apologize. I honestly didn't mean to

sound harsh and I feel awful.

I'm also so sorry to hear about the death of one of your students.

I can only imagine how grief stricken you, the kids and the rest of

the staff are. Please accept my deepest condolences.

I've learned a very valuable lesson here. Because we don't know

what's going on in other's lives, we should always be respectful of

each other.

Please take care of yourself and please work through your grief.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/6/00 3:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time,

drillermom@... writes:

<< Candace,

I agree with you. I am sorry about my message last night. Yesterday

was a horrible day. One of my students who had leukemia died Tuesday night.

He was at Duke University receiving a cell transplant and the whole school

thought he was doing better. The atmosphere at our school yesterday was

devastating. Grief counselors and students in hysterics. This student was

very much loved and the whole community rallied around him this year to help

him. Just a horrible day. good luck to you and your children. Perhaps

someday all 8 of our kids could get together. We could Taebo!!!

>>

I am so sorry to hear that. We just recently lost one of our members of the

legislature to Leukemia. he was such a good man. It was because of him that

I registered to be a marrow doner.

[Guest guest]

drillermom@... wrote:

>

> Candace,

> I agree with you. I am sorry about my message last night. Yesterday

> was a horrible day. One of my students who had leukemia died Tuesday night.

> He was at Duke University receiving a cell transplant and the whole school

> thought he was doing better. The atmosphere at our school yesterday was

> devastating. Grief counselors and students in hysterics. This student was

> very much loved and the whole community rallied around him this year to help

> him. Just a horrible day. good luck to you and your children. Perhaps

> someday all 8 of our kids could get together. We could Taebo!!!

>

>, I am sorry about your student. Leukemia is such a horrible disease. I

hate the way it strikes so many kids.

Elena

[Guest guest]

Debbie Stout wrote:

>

>

> > Sorry I started this issue. I APOLOGIZE!!

>

> -I'm the one who needed to apologize. I honestly didn't mean to

> sound harsh and I feel awful.

>

> I'm also so sorry to hear about the death of one of your students.

> I can only imagine how grief stricken you, the kids and the rest of

> the staff are. Please accept my deepest condolences.

>

> I've learned a very valuable lesson here. Because we don't know

> what's going on in other's lives, we should always be respectful of

> each other.

>

> Please take care of yourself and please work through your grief.

I'm just in awe of all the terrific, dedicated Moms we have on this

site. I am learning a lot about a mother's love from reading all of

mothers' messages on this topic and others.

Elena

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/6/00 12:09:56 PM Central Daylight Time, galofgop@...

writes:

<< AND BTW Romie I have a bid in on a child's violin. If I get it,

there will have to be some rules set up on being nice to Mr. Violin. :-) >>

SABRINA I WORRY SHE MIGHT BE TO YOUNG FOR SOMETHING SO NICE THEN OFCOURSE

THERE IS THE MATTER OF LESSONS AND DISCIPLIN THAT COME WITH THAT COMITMENT

.....HMMM SHOULD WE GET MCKENZINE TO TEACH HER ? HES IN HAWAII NOW ,.....LOL...

ROMIE

WHO WONDERS IF SABRINA IS PUSHING THE KIDS FOR UTA TOO HARD (?)

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot. Has anyone heard of Thatcher. His fight against cancer

was broadcast nationally. It makes you really appreciate what you have when

you realize that someone has lost their child. If anyone wants to read this

mother's journal you can search for it under " 's Page " on the web. I

really encourage everyone to do that. reading her last few entries and also

the students entries will make you really appreciate what you do have instead

of what you don't have.

---who isn't nagging her kids today about their messy rooms instead just

giving them a hug

[Guest guest]

My baby turned 8 today. The youngest of my four. Had a pool party with aver

30 kids for him and it was absolutely chaotic? I swore that I would never do

it again. Then we got home and he was in his room playing with al his new

toys and he looked up at me and smiled and said " mommy, I love you so much " !

Guess what, I am now having another party for him on Sunday for his baseball

team.

-- whose kids are the joy of her life.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/7/00 9:36:27 PM Central Daylight Time,

drillermom@... writes:

<< My baby turned 8 today. The youngest of my four. Had a pool party with

aver

30 kids for him and it was absolutely chaotic? I swore that I would never do

it again. Then we got home and he was in his room playing with al his new

toys and he looked up at me and smiled and said " mommy, I love you so much " !

Guess what, I am now having another party for him on Sunday for his baseball

team.

-- whose kids are the joy of her life. >>

LISA ISNT THAT THE WAY KIDS PLAY US WHEN MY KIDS ARE BEING BAD IT ONLY TAKES

ONE " I LOVE YOU MOMMY " OR " MOMMY YOUR THE BEST MOMMY " TO MAKE ME FORGET

THEY ARE BEING NAUGHTY

ROMIE

WHO HEARS IT OFTEN ....BUT WAS VERY UPSET WITH MY KIDS YESTERDAY

[Guest guest]

well come ?

LOL, just the Alabama way of waying welcome.