Re: Cheapest source of supplements

[Guest guest]

Hi n & All,

Watch out for this one. This guy's real name in & he has been on &

off the CFS-L list trying to sell licorice root. He goes by several pseudonyms

&

does some research that looks good in order to sell his products & theory. He

got very nasty with the people on the other list when he was uncovered. He then

just goes into another disguise and new website while changing a few things in

his approach to sell licorice. Research this so-called " captain " out. He may

just be an ill-tempered fraud if the light is focused on him. What do they

say?:

" A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. "

The problem is these newsgroups aren't real stable, so he can go back every

so often under a new disguise and people don't know him.

It looks like he's selling more than licorice now, so there may be some

products worth buying. I'm just saying--watch the source.

Steve in No. Calif. <><

> The following amazing site was mentioned some time ago on this list (and a

> couple of others) but I have not seen it discussed recently.

>

> Those who use relatively expensive supplements like CoQ10 or AlphaLipoic acid,

> or those who want to take pure unadulterated supplements, or those who might

> like to mix their own supplements, or just save money - should investigate

this

> source. It is truly ... well, I can only repeat ... amazing.

>

> The site is run by an interesting character (a retired Sea Captain) who has

> done an mighty job of research and assimilation of info and developed it into

a

> theory of CFS and related illnesses based on a) the role of Nitric Oxide (NO)

> in many bodily processes, and the fact that disordered NO synthesis or

> utilisation may be at the heart of CFS, and adrenal insufficiency and its

> consequences, and possible central role in CFS. (low cortisol levels, DHEA

> etc). (These topics are intimately related).

>

> His site and approach and the results in terms of what he supplies and how is

> maybe idiosyncratic, but really very impressive. I have just received my

first

> order (in Australia) of bulk COQ10, glucosamine sulphate, A Lipoic acid, etc,

> and 2 capsule filling machines, and although I have no way of assaying the

> stuff, I am assuming and confident it is the real thing, and immensely cheap.

> The main advantage should be that you can fill your own capsules with a

> tailored mixture, and thus reduce the number of pills and caps you take each

> day.

>

> The theory is outlined in a series of linked articles from:

> http://www.seaquake.com/cfs-fm-recovery/theory.html

>

> The supplements are available (via the Moby Dick society because of the

> Captain's other interest) from:

> http://www.seaquake.com/premium.html

>

> He has established a newslist which is fairly essential (and entertaining in

> parts!) to understanding where he is coming from:

> http://www.seaquake.com/cfs-fm-recovery/discussion.html

>

> I cannot recommend this site too strongly as something that deserves a look.

> Of course everyone would have to make up their own mind about the theory

> (warning it takes a fair bit of reading) and investigate the supplements. I

am

> looking forward to making my own capsules!

>

> (I have no commercial interest except as a new customer).

>

>

>

>

> n

> Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

> Canberra, Australia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Du Pre wrote:

> From: " Du Pre " <dupre@...>

>

> Hi n & All,

> Watch out for this one. This guy's real name in & he has been on

&

> off the CFS-L list trying to sell licorice root. He goes by several

pseudonyms &

> does some research that looks good in order to sell his products & theory. He

> got very nasty with the people on the other list when he was uncovered. He

then

> just goes into another disguise and new website while changing a few things in

> his approach to sell licorice. Research this so-called " captain " out. He

may

> just be an ill-tempered fraud if the light is focused on him. What do they

say?:

> " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. "

> The problem is these newsgroups aren't real stable, so he can go back

every

> so often under a new disguise and people don't know him.

> It looks like he's selling more than licorice now, so there may be some

> products worth buying. I'm just saying--watch the source.

> Steve in No. Calif. <><

Hi Steve,

THANKS for the warning. I too have been suckered over the net being sold

miracle cures! I am always looking for a bargain on the things we need to keep

us going and if I gave up looking for " the

cure " I've have been dead long ago. Buts its also nice to have our " net

friends " to steer us clear of trouble ahead! Heaven knows our earning capacity

is so pitiful that every penny is

precious!!!!!

Always searching!

Marcia

[Guest guest]

and list,

Yes I agree he is an unusual character, and I have no idea as to what other

tricks he gets up to, if any, which is why I suggested people make up their

own minds. However, his own mail list is quite open about his name (Dave

). He IS very enthusiastic about his theory, but then again I

(personal opinion only) believe there is a lot of useful stuff in it.

He has a serious temper, and angrily denounces those who don't

" co-operate " . But, my PERSONAL conclusion is that:

a) he sells the cheapest supplements I know of (and they are pure, plain

ingredient, so you don't have to consider the complexities of sensitivities

to fillers, flow agents etc).

there is good food for thought in his theory, even if you do no more

than read his references and make up your own mind.

You mention that he has been trying to sell licorice for a while: I would

be suspicious of his motives if he was making money out of it, but the

prices are so low I can only assume he is doing what he says he is doing,

which is buying bulk, and selling to others with CFS. (He has CFS, now

says he is 90% better). The prices and quantities involved would in no way

be making him rich.

I guess what I am saying is we should not throw out the baby with the

bathwater, and it does no harm to look and evaluate. I still think people

with the ability to evaluate and assess would find this site very

provocative and informative, and unless the supplements are not be what

they are made out to be, they are possibly the best source of all. (I

personally think they are fine, but have NO PROOF).

As always I am interested if anyone else has thoughts on this!

Best wishes, JR

At 08:23 23/06/99 , you wrote:

>From: " Du Pre " <dupre@...>

>

>Hi n & All,

> Watch out for this one. This guy's real name in & he has been

>on &

>off the CFS-L list trying to sell licorice root. He goes by several

>pseudonyms &

>does some research that looks good in order to sell his products & theory. He

>got very nasty with the people on the other list when he was uncovered. He

>then

>just goes into another disguise and new website while changing a few things in

>his approach to sell licorice. Research this so-called " captain " out. He

may

>just be an ill-tempered fraud if the light is focused on him. What do they

>say?:

> " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. "

> The problem is these newsgroups aren't real stable, so he can go back

every

>so often under a new disguise and people don't know him.

> It looks like he's selling more than licorice now, so there may be some

>products worth buying. I'm just saying--watch the source.

> Steve in No. Calif. <><

>

>> The following amazing site was mentioned some time ago on this list (and a

>> couple of others) but I have not seen it discussed recently.

>>

>> Those who use relatively expensive supplements like CoQ10 or AlphaLipoic

>acid,

>> or those who want to take pure unadulterated supplements, or those who might

>> like to mix their own supplements, or just save money - should investigate

>this

>> source. It is truly ... well, I can only repeat ... amazing.

>>

>> The site is run by an interesting character (a retired Sea Captain) who has

>> done an mighty job of research and assimilation of info and developed it

>into a

>> theory of CFS and related illnesses based on a) the role of Nitric Oxide

(NO)

>> in many bodily processes, and the fact that disordered NO synthesis or

>> utilisation may be at the heart of CFS, and adrenal insufficiency and its

>> consequences, and possible central role in CFS. (low cortisol levels, DHEA

>> etc). (These topics are intimately related).

>>

>> His site and approach and the results in terms of what he supplies and

how is

>> maybe idiosyncratic, but really very impressive. I have just received my

>first

>> order (in Australia) of bulk COQ10, glucosamine sulphate, A Lipoic acid,

etc,

>> and 2 capsule filling machines, and although I have no way of assaying the

>> stuff, I am assuming and confident it is the real thing, and immensely

>cheap.

>> The main advantage should be that you can fill your own capsules with a

>> tailored mixture, and thus reduce the number of pills and caps you take each

>> day.

>>

>> The theory is outlined in a series of linked articles from:

>> http://www.seaquake.com/cfs-fm-recovery/theory.html

>>

>> The supplements are available (via the Moby Dick society because of the

>> Captain's other interest) from:

>> http://www.seaquake.com/premium.html

>>

>> He has established a newslist which is fairly essential (and entertaining in

>> parts!) to understanding where he is coming from:

>> http://www.seaquake.com/cfs-fm-recovery/discussion.html

>>

>> I cannot recommend this site too strongly as something that deserves a

look.

>> Of course everyone would have to make up their own mind about the theory

>> (warning it takes a fair bit of reading) and investigate the supplements.

>I am

>> looking forward to making my own capsules!

>>

>> (I have no commercial interest except as a new customer).

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> n

>> Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

>> Canberra, Australia

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I used to be a member of ' list. His theory is interesting and

makes sense. Everything he says is based on references and you can make

your own evaluation. I let him unsubscribe me off the list at the time when

he started selling other supplements. The reason was only one: I couldn't

afford to buy any supplements from him, even if he offered me shipping them

only for 10 USD. So I didn't co-operate and he didn't get any response from

me, which obviously made him furious. I do not mind indecent words but I

hate being yelled at. the membership became too stressful for me.

n bought some supplemets from him and made a good experience. I still

keep thinking DW is fair (in spite of his temper) and selling supplements

won't make him rich. He is really trying to help.

He sells Licorice, a brand which he is being sent from Italy and is not

available in USA, because it is a part of his recovery programme.

Again, it is only my personal opinion. I am not trying to persuade you that

he is the best person from all over the world, but I think if you want to

buy cheap supplements and do not mind making your own capsules, this way

might be ok.

What is your experience with this, n? What about the stuff you bought

from him? Isn't there any risk of contamination? Is it safe to make your

own mixtures ? Do not they contradict each other? (these were also reasons

why I didn't try it).

Stania

Re: Cheapest source of supplements

>From: n <jrobinso@...>

>

> and list,

>

>Yes I agree he is an unusual character, and I have no idea as to what other

>tricks he gets up to, if any, which is why I suggested people make up their

>own minds. However, his own mail list is quite open about his name (Dave

>). He IS very enthusiastic about his theory, but then again I

>(personal opinion only) believe there is a lot of useful stuff in it.

>

>He has a serious temper, and angrily denounces those who don't

> " co-operate " . But, my PERSONAL conclusion is that:

>

>a) he sells the cheapest supplements I know of (and they are pure, plain

>ingredient, so you don't have to consider the complexities of sensitivities

>to fillers, flow agents etc).

>

> there is good food for thought in his theory, even if you do no more

>than read his references and make up your own mind.

>

>I guess what I am saying is we should not throw out the baby with the

>bathwater, and it does no harm to look and evaluate. I still think people

>with the ability to evaluate and assess would find this site very

>provocative and informative, and unless the supplements are not be what

>they are made out to be, they are possibly the best source of all. (I

>personally think they are fine, but have NO PROOF).

>

!

>

>Best wishes, JR

>

>

[Guest guest]

> a) he sells the cheapest supplements I know of

Which is precisely why I will probably make an order in

the next week or two.

> there is good food for thought in his theory, even if you

> do no more

> than read his references and make up your own mind.

I've read quite a bit about Nitric Oxide (NO) in several journal

abstracts. I remember highlighting NO in several articles

intending to follow up because I thought NO levels might

be a critical factor.

> You mention that he has been trying to sell licorice for a

> while: I would

> be suspicious of his motives if he was making money out of it, but the

> prices are so low I can only assume he is doing what he says

> he is doing,

Lower that I've seen anywhere, including the " membership " .

> which is buying bulk, and selling to others with CFS. (He

> has CFS, now

> says he is 90% better). The prices and quantities involved

> would in no way

> be making him rich.

I've been trying to track down " truly " bulk items for a long time

now and have been unsuccessful. The " captain " is as close as

I've seen. I don't believe our supplements need to be as

expensive as they are. For example, I buy my b1,3 glucan from

(oops I can't remember the company name right now - you can

find it at Konlee's site). One *whole bottle* from the health food

store costs as much as one pill from where I get mine from. when

I first heard about glucan and went to the store I realised I'd have

to take two whole bottles at a time to get therapeutic levels (never

mind the cost). At the company I buy from, I can get glucan in

500mg pills (instead of measly 10mg pills at the vitamin store).

The supplement companies are price gouging us and I haven't

figured a work-around yet (the " captain " might be close).

> I guess what I am saying is we should not throw out the baby with the

> bathwater, and it does no harm to look and evaluate.

Why not? Seems like that's all I get on this list anymore. Can't

get a decent, thoughtful, intellectual conversation here to save your

soul. All posturing. Large noise to signal ratio. I scan this list

because I've picked up a few bits over the last few weeks, but I

mostly delete without reading. I always read your posts, n

(and a few others) because your posts are thoughtful, interesting

and well researched. Give it up n, sad to say there's not very

many people interested in what you have to say.

> I still

> think people

> with the ability to evaluate and assess would find this site very

> provocative and informative,

You're wasting your energy. If they wanted to evaluate and asses

the information at this site they would have done it already. Virtually

nobody is interested in evaluating for themselves. They want everything

turned into pablum and spoon fed, and G-d forbid if is disagrees with

them.

> As always I am interested if anyone else has thoughts on this!

Yeah, but their not interested in yours.

I'm kinda sorry for my cynical attitude, but not much. My cynicism has

stood me well over the years. Its saved my life a few times (literally) and

kept me from investing and spending money on useless things.

Caveat Emptor!!!!!

Patti

--

[Guest guest]

Skari, M wrote:

> Why not? Seems like that's all I get on this list anymore. Can't

> get a decent, thoughtful, intellectual conversation here to save your

> soul. All posturing. Large noise to signal ratio. I scan this list

> because I've picked up a few bits over the last few weeks, but I

> mostly delete without reading. I always read your posts, n

> (and a few others) because your posts are thoughtful, interesting

> and well researched. Give it up n, sad to say there's not very

> many people interested in what you have to say.

To n,

I disagree! I have been on this list since its inception. I think your posts

are valuable and insightful and you are appreciated VERY much on this list.

I, for one, DON'T want you to give it up, but keep on sharing!!!

Thanks, Marcia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/22/99 7:45:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

> Buts its also nice to have our " net friends " to steer us clear of trouble

> ahead!

Ain't that the truth !

[Guest guest]

Hi n, Patti & All,

I certainly value your comments here on the list. I may have overreached in

my comments on the " captain. " I was responding from the experiences of some

people on the CFS-L list, and I was warned that he was using a new name to sell

his licorice product. My post gave the impression that you hadn't looked into

it,

I guess. But that was not the intent.

Anyway, n, you are right. I need to evaluate his writings & see if it

fits. I am

very much interested in your exp. with the supplements and if you go on his

treatment

plan. I'll try to backtrack the sources who were warning me off his site and

see if

they have a legitimate case there.

I find the info. here on the list helpful, and I'm sure if we look at things

in a

reasonable manner, we'll be able to continue to help each other along without

getting overwrought.

Steve in Northern California <><