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> You wrote, " I developed CFIDS/MCS/FM after

> receiving the ton of vaccines I was required to

> get for the Gulf War. My unit was supposed to

> go, so we got our vaccines and our desert BDUs

> but suddenly our orders changed. I got sick

> the day after the vaccines and have stayed that way. "

>

> Have you and other gulf war vaccine people been getting tested for squalene

> antibodies?

No. I heard about squalene and didn't do the " footwork " necessary to

find out where to be tested. I probably should tho. My doc is good

but its hard for me to get him to do things. I've been waiting for

3 months for him to " get around " to ordering a cancer test that I

want, and immune profile test and an amino acid profile. I think

I might want the 2,5A synthetase pathway also. I have trouble

deciding which tests I want and which ones are worth paying for

(cost vs benefit). If anybody has some good cost/benefit suggestions

for the squalene test I'd be glad to hear them. (for example, would

that make getting disability easier? Or is there something I can

do to get the squalene out of my body if I find out I have it?)

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In a message dated 4/28/99 12:04:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

sco338@... writes:

<< If it really is present, what symtoms or disease does this finding

indicate? We would

all like to know. >>

A lot of diseases are implimented, probably depending on your genetic

make-up. Have you read Don 's " The Brucellosis Triangle? " The

documentation is excellent and there's another book out from the Indiana U.

Press about biowarfare that confirms all has written and more.

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Squalene is a natural component of the body but antibodies to it suggest an

outside source. One possibility is as a adjuvant in anthrax vaccine some

suspected of being given to GWS. Note the French

did not use this vaccine and no GWS. How do you treat it other than

palliatively? We would all like to know. If it really is present, what symtoms

or disease does this finding indicate? We would

all like to know.

M. Skari wrote:

> From: " M. Skari " <pskari@...>

>

> > You wrote, " I developed CFIDS/MCS/FM after

> > receiving the ton of vaccines I was required to

> > get for the Gulf War. My unit was supposed to

> > go, so we got our vaccines and our desert BDUs

> > but suddenly our orders changed. I got sick

> > the day after the vaccines and have stayed that way. "

> >

> > Have you and other gulf war vaccine people been getting tested for squalene

> > antibodies?

>

> No. I heard about squalene and didn't do the " footwork " necessary to

> find out where to be tested. I probably should tho. My doc is good

> but its hard for me to get him to do things. I've been waiting for

> 3 months for him to " get around " to ordering a cancer test that I

> want, and immune profile test and an amino acid profile. I think

> I might want the 2,5A synthetase pathway also. I have trouble

> deciding which tests I want and which ones are worth paying for

> (cost vs benefit). If anybody has some good cost/benefit suggestions

> for the squalene test I'd be glad to hear them. (for example, would

> that make getting disability easier? Or is there something I can

> do to get the squalene out of my body if I find out I have it?)

>

> Patti

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contact kblane@... and he will tell you.

M. Skari wrote:

> From: " M. Skari " <pskari@...>

>

> > You wrote, " I developed CFIDS/MCS/FM after

> > receiving the ton of vaccines I was required to

> > get for the Gulf War. My unit was supposed to

> > go, so we got our vaccines and our desert BDUs

> > but suddenly our orders changed. I got sick

> > the day after the vaccines and have stayed that way. "

> >

> > Have you and other gulf war vaccine people been getting tested for squalene

> > antibodies?

>

> No. I heard about squalene and didn't do the " footwork " necessary to

> find out where to be tested. I probably should tho. My doc is good

> but its hard for me to get him to do things. I've been waiting for

> 3 months for him to " get around " to ordering a cancer test that I

> want, and immune profile test and an amino acid profile. I think

> I might want the 2,5A synthetase pathway also. I have trouble

> deciding which tests I want and which ones are worth paying for

> (cost vs benefit). If anybody has some good cost/benefit suggestions

> for the squalene test I'd be glad to hear them. (for example, would

> that make getting disability easier? Or is there something I can

> do to get the squalene out of my body if I find out I have it?)

>

> Patti

> --

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Are you hogging all the fun?

> http://www.ONElist.com

> Friends tell friends about ONElist!

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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There is a GREAT article in the May issue of Vanity Fair about gulf war

syndrome, and gulf war vaccine which was given to some people that never went

to the Gulf war and are now sick. There is some info on squaline additives

which is in plain language.

I was excited to see in the Monday edition of the Hartford Courant, front

page, that the federal government is going to look into the anthrax vaccine

which was given to so many service men and women, as a cause of the Gulf War

Syndrome.

I'll be disappointed to lose the Gulf War Syndrome sufferers from our ranks,

as they will no longer be considered to have CFS/FM, but I am thrilled at the

prospect that so many, who have suffered so much, may finally have an answer.

Hopefully an effective treatment can be found for our service men and women.

About three years ago, when I was seeing a local Rheumatologist, he said as

part of his argument that CFS doesn't exist; " Look at Gulf War Syndrome, if

that were a real illness, why don't other troops, from other countries that

were in the Gulf War, have Gulf War syndrome? " The anthrax vaccine/squaline

explanation would fit this scenario.

At the time, the GWS was being denied completely by the government, I was so

sick that I didn't have any argument about anything he said in his harangue.

I just knew that I was sick, sick, sick and he wasn't helping me. Too bad,

he had helped me for almost three years, with some pretty good treatment for

FM. When it turned to full blown, bedbound CFS, he suggested I go on

vacation, relax....

I wonder what Dr. Nicholson thinks about the anthrax vaccine theory of Gulf

War Syndrome causality.

Maybe there is more than one cause.

Barb

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lots of info on mycoplasma, vaccines etc at:

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/

shocking vaccine info at:

http://www.tetrahedron.org/

> I'll be disappointed to lose the Gulf War Syndrome sufferers from our ranks,

> as they will no longer be considered to have CFS/FM, but I am thrilled at the

> prospect that so many, who have suffered so much, may finally have an answer.

> Hopefully an effective treatment can be found for our service men and women.

Don't get your hopes up yet... There is not one single cause of GWS.

If the person *only* suffers from micoplasma, then there may be an

answer for those people, but there are depleted uranium problems,

and many other problems that can't be handled with an antibiotic

regimin. Lots of evidence that an experimental AIDS vaccine was

used on some that ravaged their immune system. Even many standard

vaccines are tainted with numerous viruses that have been unstudied.

Not to mention the mysterious little yellow pills that reportedly

contained pyridostigmine (sp?) and all the nastiness that could

have caused.

> About three years ago, when I was seeing a local Rheumatologist, he said as

> part of his argument that CFS doesn't exist; " Look at Gulf War Syndrome, if

> that were a real illness, why don't other troops, from other countries that

> were in the Gulf War, have Gulf War syndrome? "

We just don't hear about this in the US. *PLENTY* of troops from other

countries have GWS also. I saw a TV show about hundreds of former British

troops that have died or completely bedridden from GWS. Other countries

had fewer troops and therefore had fewer GWS cases. My understanding is

that the French troops weren't given these vaccines (or the little yellow

pyridostigmine (sp?) pills) and they did not have any GWS cases.

> Maybe there is more than one cause.

Yes, very definitely. That's one reason why its so hard to pin down.

Does the veteran have mycoplasma, pyridostigmine poisoning, squalene

problems, ravaged immune system from experimental AIDS vaccine,

antrax vaccine problems, depleted uranium poisoning (some tanks were

made with depleted uranium), problems with unstudied contaminants in

vaccines, etc, etc. or all the above???

Patti

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