Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Between the time your son was " no longer a student " and last fall, the law changed from a parent's insurance only covering full-time students to covering anyone up to age 26. That's for typical children. Start by asking Aetna to provide to you a certificate of group creditable coverage for your son, which will give his name and show when his coverage began and when the coverage ended. When you get that, hang on to it and keep it among important paperwork. If you have to get other coverage elsewhere, they'll want a copy of it as evidence of coverage. At this point, you know that Aetna stopped covering him in June, and that you did not know this until August, which is probably goes beyond the 63 days without coverage. So a new plan does not have to factor in Aetna's coverage, and may try to exclude pre-existing conditions for up to 12 months. But I submit that Aetna's " tough luck if you don't read your mail " answer won't fly. Call your state rep and tell your story--coverage ended even though your son is in his late 20's, which meant that Aetna knew he was disabled and was covering him as an disabled dependent adult child, unless you just got on this insurance plan, you didn't know how to fight this because to the best of your knowledge, you never got paperwork telling you his plan ended, and that you found out in a phone call to Aetna months later. Ask state rep what can be done. This is not a case of a person who lost insurance. This is a case of an disabled dependent adult child who should not have been dropped from your insurance because of his age, and the insurance is saying " You should have told us, we aren't going to change this because it's too late now. " There's also some state agency in IL that you can contact for complaints about insurance (including appeals), but if the rep's office thinks that's a good route, they'll tell you and have that info handy. IIRC, Aetna has a reputation for being squirrelly. -Gail ________________________________ From: Liz <dljar58@...> IPADDUnite Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:18 PM Subject: Happy Holidays & a question about insurance. Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Liz your best way to go is turn the over to a layer that special in this area Their is a lawyer in this group he can help you or direct you to someone Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect Happy Holidays & a question about insurance. Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Don't forget Illinois Statute (since 1969), 215 ILCS 5/367b, which allows our children to stay on Employer Group Health Insurance Policies, regardless of age. That statute provides as follows: (a) This Section applies to the hospital and medical expense provisions of a group accident or health insurance policy. ( If a policy provides that coverage of a dependent of an employee or other member of the covered group terminates upon attainment of the limiting age for dependent persons specified in the policy, the attainment of such limiting age does not operate to terminate the hospital and medical coverage of a person who, because of a handicapped condition that occurred before attainment of the limiting age, is incapable of self-sustaining employment and is dependent on his or her parents or other care providers for lifetime care and supervision. © For purposes of subsection (, " dependent on other care providers " is defined as requiring a Community Integrated Living Arrangement, group home, supervised apartment, or other residential services licensed or certified by the Department of Human Services (as successor to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities), the Department of Public Health, or the Department of Public Aid. (d) The insurer may inquire of the person insured 2 months prior to attainment by a dependent of the limiting age set forth in the policy, or at any reasonable time thereafter, whether such dependent is in fact a disabled and dependent person and, in the absence of proof submitted within 31 days of such inquiry that such dependent is a disabled and dependent person may terminate coverage of such person at or after attainment of the limiting age. In the absence of such inquiry, coverage of any disabled and dependent person shall continue through the term of such policy or any extension or renewal. (e) This amendatory Act of 1969 is applicable to policies issued or renewed more than 60 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of 1969. (Source: P.A. 88-309; 89-507, eff. 7-1-97.) _____________________________________________________ Rubin* [cid:image003.jpg@...] * Member by invitation of SNA, the Special Needs Alliance. 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The Signature given hereon is not an electronic signature and is provided only for the purposes of providing information as to the identity of the sender and for no other purpose(s) whatsoever. From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf Of G Mrozak Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 11:10 AM IPADDUnite Subject: Re: Happy Holidays & a question about insurance. Between the time your son was " no longer a student " and last fall, the law changed from a parent's insurance only covering full-time students to covering anyone up to age 26. That's for typical children. Start by asking Aetna to provide to you a certificate of group creditable coverage for your son, which will give his name and show when his coverage began and when the coverage ended. When you get that, hang on to it and keep it among important paperwork. If you have to get other coverage elsewhere, they'll want a copy of it as evidence of coverage. At this point, you know that Aetna stopped covering him in June, and that you did not know this until August, which is probably goes beyond the 63 days without coverage. So a new plan does not have to factor in Aetna's coverage, and may try to exclude pre-existing conditions for up to 12 months. But I submit that Aetna's " tough luck if you don't read your mail " answer won't fly. Call your state rep and tell your story--coverage ended even though your son is in his late 20's, which meant that Aetna knew he was disabled and was covering him as an disabled dependent adult child, unless you just got on this insurance plan, you didn't know how to fight this because to the best of your knowledge, you never got paperwork telling you his plan ended, and that you found out in a phone call to Aetna months later. Ask state rep what can be done. This is not a case of a person who lost insurance. This is a case of an disabled dependent adult child who should not have been dropped from your insurance because of his age, and the insurance is saying " You should have told us, we aren't going to change this because it's too late now. " There's also some state agency in IL that you can contact for complaints about insurance (including appeals), but if the rep's office thinks that's a good route, they'll tell you and have that info handy. IIRC, Aetna has a reputation for being squirrelly. -Gail ________________________________ From: Liz <dljar58@...<mailto:dljar58%40charter.net>> IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:18 PM Subject: Happy Holidays & a question about insurance. Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Liz, I wish I could help. Finding a individual health policy for an individual with disabilities is next to impossible. That is why my daughter is on Medicaid. The state does have a policy (last I heard Blue Cross/Blue Shield administered it), called SHIP. It's for individuals with expensive preexisting conditions. The coverage is expensive. > > Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. > > Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) > > Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. > > I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. > > He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. > > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Gail, this is great information! Thanks for sharing. > > Between the time your son was " no longer a student " and last fall, the law changed from a parent's insurance only covering full-time students to covering anyone up to age 26. That's for typical children. > > Start by asking Aetna to provide to you a certificate of group creditable coverage for your son, which will give his name and show when his coverage began and when the coverage ended. > > > When you get that, hang on to it and keep it among important paperwork. If you have to get other coverage elsewhere, they'll want a copy of it as evidence of coverage. > > At this point, you know that Aetna stopped covering him in June, and that you did not know this until August, which is probably goes beyond the 63 days without coverage. So a new plan does not have to factor in Aetna's coverage, and may try to exclude pre-existing conditions for up to 12 months. > > But I submit that Aetna's " tough luck if you don't read your mail " answer won't fly. Call your state rep and tell your story--coverage ended even though your son is in his late 20's, which meant that Aetna knew he was disabled and was covering him as an disabled dependent adult child, unless you just got on this insurance plan, you didn't know how to fight this because to the best of your knowledge, you never got paperwork telling you his plan ended, and that you found out in a phone call to Aetna months later. > > Ask state rep what can be done. This is not a case of a person who lost insurance. This is a case of an disabled dependent adult child who should not have been dropped from your insurance because of his age, and the insurance is saying " You should have told us, we aren't going to change this because it's too late now. " > > > There's also some state agency in IL that you can contact for complaints about insurance (including appeals), but if the rep's office thinks that's a good route, they'll tell you and have that info handy. > > IIRC, Aetna has a reputation for being squirrelly. > > > -Gail > > > > ________________________________ > From: Liz <dljar58@...> > IPADDUnite > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:18 PM > Subject: Happy Holidays & a question about insurance. > > > > Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. > > Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) > > Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. > > I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. > > He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 It is CHIP not SHIP. I am not in the office. This message was sent from my IPhone. N. Rubin RUBIN LAW A Professional Corporation brian@...<mailto:brian@...> www.rubinlawcorp.com<http://www.rubinlawcorp.com> 847.279.7999 Fax 847.279.0090 Toll Free 866.to.rubin (866.867.8246) On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:30 PM, " cmfinato " <cmfinato@...<mailto:cmfinato@...>> wrote: Liz, I wish I could help. Finding a individual health policy for an individual with disabilities is next to impossible. That is why my daughter is on Medicaid. The state does have a policy (last I heard Blue Cross/Blue Shield administered it), called SHIP. It's for individuals with expensive preexisting conditions. The coverage is expensive. > > Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. > > Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) > > Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. > > I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. > > He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. > > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 There are different CHIPS. The Illinois CHIPS does exclude pre-existing. The federal CHIPS administered by Illinois for those coming off COBRA, covers pre-existing. I am not in the office. This message was sent from my IPhone. N. Rubin RUBIN LAW A Professional Corporation brian@...<mailto:brian@...> www.rubinlawcorp.com<http://www.rubinlawcorp.com> 847.279.7999 Fax 847.279.0090 Toll Free 866.to.rubin (866.867.8246) On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:53 PM, " N Rubin " <brian@...<mailto:brian@...>> wrote: It is CHIP not SHIP. I am not in the office. This message was sent from my IPhone. N. Rubin RUBIN LAW A Professional Corporation brian@...<mailto:brian%40rubinlawcorp.com><mailto:brian@rubinlawcor\ p.com<mailto:brian%40rubinlawcorp.com>> www.rubinlawcorp.com<http://www.rubinlawcorp.com><http://www.rubinlawcorp.com> 847.279.7999 Fax 847.279.0090 Toll Free 866.to.rubin (866.867.8246) On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:30 PM, " cmfinato " <cmfinato@...<mailto:cmfinato%40><mailto:cmfinato@...<mailt\ o:cmfinato%40>>> wrote: Liz, I wish I could help. Finding a individual health policy for an individual with disabilities is next to impossible. That is why my daughter is on Medicaid. The state does have a policy (last I heard Blue Cross/Blue Shield administered it), called SHIP. It's for individuals with expensive preexisting conditions. The coverage is expensive. > > Hoping everyone enjoyed their holiday. We had a quiet relaxed day at home. The end of the year is bringing new challenges for us. > > Does anybody know of a good health insurance co. that will cover a 29 yr old disabled adult who's not a student?; (individual coverage) > > Found out in Aug or Sept. that my son was terminated from my group insurance policy, due to his age. He was terminated on June 1st. Supposedly Aetna had sent a letter to us, but it was never received. > > I sent back a form, but was told that the eligibility forms were not submitted timely. (am also being told that they didn't receive the forms. (The letter says otherwise.) (he was already over 26 when our company changed insurance co's. & he's been covered all this time....I'm still also paying the premiums for him;which I'll be getting back if our appeal is denied. > > He does have Medicaid & will have Medicare in 1 1/2 yrs, but possibly needing something short term. > > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 My company BC/BS covers my daughter as a disabled adult, but it was applied for and approved years ago and is supposed to remain in place for her lifetime. Would at least be worth checking if they offer such coverage perhaps. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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