Guest guest Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Congratulations to your daughter, yes, that IS a good problem to have. I could take a stab at this, but would rather hear from Marsie or others first on this list. They will do a better job than me! I’m forwarding this on to M’s attention right now. L. From: cpropheter@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM IPADDUnite Subject: Adult Services eligibility while working We have a good problem (I guess) to have. Our 22 year old adult disabled daughter is due to start a position with a starting wage over $10.00 per hour. Her employer is willing to work with us to ensure we don't disqualify her for government benefits. While we don't care if she receives an SSI check, we do, however, want to ensure we don't disqualify her from the possibility of ever receiving adult services as she needs the support to be able to work and live. I understand the " asset " rule...what I am unclear on is if she makes more than $1000.00 per month will that disqualify her from SSI eligibility? If the Section 1619 of SSI/Medicaid indicates Illinois' threshold is $27,000.00 doesn't that then constitute as gainful activity and disqualify her from SSI? She starts work in a couple of weeks so I'd like to be crystal clear to her employer just what she can and cannot do. Thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 For SSI: If you are a full time student & under the age of 22: you are allowed to earn $6600 @ year (2011 #) before income will affect SSI. If you are not a full time student or you are 22 or older: the first $85 earned monthly, will not affect your SSI. Then, for every $2 you earn monthly, they will subtract $1 of SSI monthly.    HOW DOES WORKING AFFECT MEDICAL BENEFITS?  Medical coverage, both Medicaid and Medicare, are extremely important to a large number of people with disabilities. It is critical for them to understand that going to work does not mean that their medical coverage will immediately end. Unfortunately, this is a myth that has long been prevalent in the disability community.  Ø    Work does NOT automatically cause loss of health care benefits.   For individuals who receive SSI:  -       There is a safety net called 1619( that protects from the loss of Medicaid when an individual goes to work. -       1619 ( is available to SSI recipients whose SSI decreases to zero due to their work earnings. -       In order to be eligible for 1619(, it must be earned income or wages that force the SSI check to zero. -       In addition, the individual must continue to meet all of the other SSI eligibility requirements. -       He or she must continue to be disabled according to SSA standards and have resources less than $2000. -       Individuals can keep their Medicaid through 1619( until they earn what is called their state threshold. This is an amount that varies from state to state and can range from $15,000 per year to $49,000. The threshold for Illinois in 2011 is $26,141. -       Some individuals who receive SSI have extremely high medical costs and the state threshold amount for the state in which they live is not an incentive to return to work. For these individuals, it is possible for them to receive what is called an individualized threshold through the local SSA office.  For Individuals who receive SSDI:  -       If they have never worked while on benefits, they will have at least eight and a half years of Medicare coverage when they do begin working. -       The first nine months of Medicare would be covered under what is called a Trial Work Period. -       The following 93 months are called Extended Medicare Coverage. -       Even after the Extended Medicare Coverage ends, it does not mean that the individual will lose this medical benefit. -       Following Extended Medicare, individuals are able to purchase their Medicare coverage. This means that they would pay a premium to keep their Medicare.    ________________________________ From: Jerue Family <jeruefamily@...> IPADDUnite Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working  Congratulations to your daughter, yes, that IS a good problem to have. I could take a stab at this, but would rather hear from Marsie or others first on this list. They will do a better job than me! I’m forwarding this on to M’s attention right now. L. From: cpropheter@... Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM IPADDUnite Subject: Adult Services eligibility while working We have a good problem (I guess) to have. Our 22 year old adult disabled daughter is due to start a position with a starting wage over $10.00 per hour. Her employer is willing to work with us to ensure we don't disqualify her for government benefits. While we don't care if she receives an SSI check, we do, however, want to ensure we don't disqualify her from the possibility of ever receiving adult services as she needs the support to be able to work and live. I understand the " asset " rule...what I am unclear on is if she makes more than $1000.00 per month will that disqualify her from SSI eligibility? If the Section 1619 of SSI/Medicaid indicates Illinois' threshold is $27,000.00 doesn't that then constitute as gainful activity and disqualify her from SSI? She starts work in a couple of weeks so I'd like to be crystal clear to her employer just what she can and cannot do. Thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Sherri, also explain how HBWD may be relevant to those individuals. I am not in the office. This message was sent from my IPhone. N. Rubin RUBIN LAW A Professional Corporation brian@...<mailto:brian@...> www.rubinlawcorp.com<http://www.rubinlawcorp.com> 847.279.7999 Fax 847.279.0090 Toll Free 866.to.rubin (866.867.8246) On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:57 AM, " Sherri Schneider " <benefithelpss@...<mailto:benefithelpss@...>> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Sherri Schneider <benefithelpss@...<mailto:benefithelpss%40>> " IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> " <IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working For SSI: If you are a full time student & under the age of 22: you are allowed to earn $6600 @ year (2011 #) before income will affect SSI. If you are not a full time student or you are 22 or older: the first $85 earned monthly, will not affect your SSI. Then, for every $2 you earn monthly, they will subtract $1 of SSI monthly. HOW DOES WORKING AFFECT MEDICAL BENEFITS? Medical coverage, both Medicaid and Medicare, are extremely important to a large number of people with disabilities. It is critical for them to understand that going to work does not mean that their medical coverage will immediately end. Unfortunately, this is a myth that has long been prevalent in the disability community. Ø Work does NOT automatically cause loss of health care benefits. For individuals who receive SSI: - There is a safety net called 1619( that protects from the loss of Medicaid when an individual goes to work. - 1619 ( is available to SSI recipients whose SSI decreases to zero due to their work earnings. - In order to be eligible for 1619(, it must be earned income or wages that force the SSI check to zero. - In addition, the individual must continue to meet all of the other SSI eligibility requirements. - He or she must continue to be disabled according to SSA standards and have resources less than $2000. - Individuals can keep their Medicaid through 1619( until they earn what is called their state threshold. This is an amount that varies from state to state and can range from $15,000 per year to $49,000. The threshold for Illinois in 2011 is $26,141. - Some individuals who receive SSI have extremely high medical costs and the state threshold amount for the state in which they live is not an incentive to return to work. For these individuals, it is possible for them to receive what is called an individualized threshold through the local SSA office. For Individuals who receive SSDI: - If they have never worked while on benefits, they will have at least eight and a half years of Medicare coverage when they do begin working. - The first nine months of Medicare would be covered under what is called a Trial Work Period. - The following 93 months are called Extended Medicare Coverage. - Even after the Extended Medicare Coverage ends, it does not mean that the individual will lose this medical benefit. - Following Extended Medicare, individuals are able to purchase their Medicare coverage. This means that they would pay a premium to keep their Medicare. ________________________________ From: Jerue Family <jeruefamily@...<mailto:jeruefamily%40comcast.net>> IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working Congratulations to your daughter, yes, that IS a good problem to have. I could take a stab at this, but would rather hear from Marsie or others first on this list. They will do a better job than me! I’m forwarding this on to M’s attention right now. L. From: cpropheter@...<mailto:cpropheter%40sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Subject: Adult Services eligibility while working We have a good problem (I guess) to have. Our 22 year old adult disabled daughter is due to start a position with a starting wage over $10.00 per hour. Her employer is willing to work with us to ensure we don't disqualify her for government benefits. While we don't care if she receives an SSI check, we do, however, want to ensure we don't disqualify her from the possibility of ever receiving adult services as she needs the support to be able to work and live. I understand the " asset " rule...what I am unclear on is if she makes more than $1000.00 per month will that disqualify her from SSI eligibility? If the Section 1619 of SSI/Medicaid indicates Illinois' threshold is $27,000.00 doesn't that then constitute as gainful activity and disqualify her from SSI? She starts work in a couple of weeks so I'd like to be crystal clear to her employer just what she can and cannot do. Thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011                                TRADITIONAL MEDICAID -vs-                                       Health Benefits for Workers with a Disability (HBWD MEDICAID)                                           \        TRADITIONAL                              HBWD  INCOME                               1 person                                     \       $ 928                                    $ 3159    ASSETS   1 person                                     \      $2000.00                                up to $25,000                                         \                                         \                            AND qualified                                         \                                         \                            retirement accounts                                         \                                         \                            Are EXEMPT                                                    \                                         \                 “COSTâ€Â                                if over – get a monthly                     CANNOT BE                                         \        spend-down. Cannot                        OVER. Monthly                                         \        have coverage until                          premium to “buy†                                        \        spend-down is met                            coverage. $0 - $100+     HOW TO GET HBWD: -         Illinoisresident between 16 and 64 -         Must have a disability -         Must be employed at a job that pays into FICA -         Allows you to earn more money monthly and have more assets -         CAN ONLY apply at one office – in Springfield.      ________________________________ From: N Rubin <brian@...> " IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite > Cc: " IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working  Sherri, also explain how HBWD may be relevant to those individuals. I am not in the office. This message was sent from my IPhone. N. Rubin RUBIN LAW A Professional Corporation brian@...<mailto:brian@...> www.rubinlawcorp.com<http://www.rubinlawcorp.com> 847.279.7999 Fax 847.279.0090 Toll Free 866.to.rubin (866.867.8246) On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:57 AM, " Sherri Schneider " <benefithelpss@...<mailto:benefithelpss@...>> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Sherri Schneider <benefithelpss@...<mailto:benefithelpss%40>> " IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> " <IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working For SSI: If you are a full time student & under the age of 22: you are allowed to earn $6600 @ year (2011 #) before income will affect SSI. If you are not a full time student or you are 22 or older: the first $85 earned monthly, will not affect your SSI. Then, for every $2 you earn monthly, they will subtract $1 of SSI monthly. HOW DOES WORKING AFFECT MEDICAL BENEFITS? Medical coverage, both Medicaid and Medicare, are extremely important to a large number of people with disabilities. It is critical for them to understand that going to work does not mean that their medical coverage will immediately end. Unfortunately, this is a myth that has long been prevalent in the disability community. Ø Work does NOT automatically cause loss of health care benefits. For individuals who receive SSI: - There is a safety net called 1619( that protects from the loss of Medicaid when an individual goes to work. - 1619 ( is available to SSI recipients whose SSI decreases to zero due to their work earnings. - In order to be eligible for 1619(, it must be earned income or wages that force the SSI check to zero. - In addition, the individual must continue to meet all of the other SSI eligibility requirements. - He or she must continue to be disabled according to SSA standards and have resources less than $2000. - Individuals can keep their Medicaid through 1619( until they earn what is called their state threshold. This is an amount that varies from state to state and can range from $15,000 per year to $49,000. The threshold for Illinois in 2011 is $26,141. - Some individuals who receive SSI have extremely high medical costs and the state threshold amount for the state in which they live is not an incentive to return to work. For these individuals, it is possible for them to receive what is called an individualized threshold through the local SSA office. For Individuals who receive SSDI: - If they have never worked while on benefits, they will have at least eight and a half years of Medicare coverage when they do begin working. - The first nine months of Medicare would be covered under what is called a Trial Work Period. - The following 93 months are called Extended Medicare Coverage. - Even after the Extended Medicare Coverage ends, it does not mean that the individual will lose this medical benefit. - Following Extended Medicare, individuals are able to purchase their Medicare coverage. This means that they would pay a premium to keep their Medicare. ________________________________ From: Jerue Family <jeruefamily@...<mailto:jeruefamily%40comcast.net>> IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working Congratulations to your daughter, yes, that IS a good problem to have. I could take a stab at this, but would rather hear from Marsie or others first on this list. They will do a better job than me! I’m forwarding this on to M’s attention right now. L. From: cpropheter@...<mailto:cpropheter%40sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Subject: Adult Services eligibility while working We have a good problem (I guess) to have. Our 22 year old adult disabled daughter is due to start a position with a starting wage over $10.00 per hour. Her employer is willing to work with us to ensure we don't disqualify her for government benefits. While we don't care if she receives an SSI check, we do, however, want to ensure we don't disqualify her from the possibility of ever receiving adult services as she needs the support to be able to work and live. I understand the " asset " rule...what I am unclear on is if she makes more than $1000.00 per month will that disqualify her from SSI eligibility? If the Section 1619 of SSI/Medicaid indicates Illinois' threshold is $27,000.00 doesn't that then constitute as gainful activity and disqualify her from SSI? She starts work in a couple of weeks so I'd like to be crystal clear to her employer just what she can and cannot do. Thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 All true &  accurate, of course! We just went through the HBWD application process, so I'd add that although the only place to apply is Springfield, that can be by mail. (Just in case anyone was worrying.) -Gail ________________________________ From: Sherri Schneider <benefithelpss@...> " IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working                                 TRADITIONAL MEDICAID -vs-                                       Health Benefits for Workers with a Disability (HBWD MEDICAID)                                           \        TRADITIONAL                              HBWD  INCOME                               1 person                                     \       $ 928                                    $ 3159    ASSETS   1 person                                     \      $2000.00                                up to $25,000                                         \                                         \                            AND qualified                                         \                                         \                            retirement accounts                                         \                                         \                            Are EXEMPT                                                    \                                         \                 “COSTâ€Â                                if over – get a monthly                     CANNOT BE                                         \        spend-down. Cannot                        OVER. Monthly                                         \        have coverage until                          premium to “buy†                                        \        spend-down is met                            coverage. $0 - $100+     HOW TO GET HBWD: -         Illinoisresident between 16 and 64 -         Must have a disability -         Must be employed at a job that pays into FICA -         Allows you to earn more money monthly and have more assets -         CAN ONLY apply at one office – in Springfield.      ________________________________ From: N Rubin <brian@...> " IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite > Cc: " IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working  Sherri, also explain how HBWD may be relevant to those individuals. I am not in the office. This message was sent from my IPhone. N. Rubin RUBIN LAW A Professional Corporation brian@...<mailto:brian@...> www.rubinlawcorp.com<http://www.rubinlawcorp.com> 847.279.7999 Fax 847.279.0090 Toll Free 866.to.rubin (866.867.8246) On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:57 AM, " Sherri Schneider " <benefithelpss@...<mailto:benefithelpss@...>> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Sherri Schneider <benefithelpss@...<mailto:benefithelpss%40>> " IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> " <IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working For SSI: If you are a full time student & under the age of 22: you are allowed to earn $6600 @ year (2011 #) before income will affect SSI. If you are not a full time student or you are 22 or older: the first $85 earned monthly, will not affect your SSI. Then, for every $2 you earn monthly, they will subtract $1 of SSI monthly. HOW DOES WORKING AFFECT MEDICAL BENEFITS? Medical coverage, both Medicaid and Medicare, are extremely important to a large number of people with disabilities. It is critical for them to understand that going to work does not mean that their medical coverage will immediately end. Unfortunately, this is a myth that has long been prevalent in the disability community. Ø Work does NOT automatically cause loss of health care benefits. For individuals who receive SSI: - There is a safety net called 1619( that protects from the loss of Medicaid when an individual goes to work. - 1619 ( is available to SSI recipients whose SSI decreases to zero due to their work earnings. - In order to be eligible for 1619(, it must be earned income or wages that force the SSI check to zero. - In addition, the individual must continue to meet all of the other SSI eligibility requirements. - He or she must continue to be disabled according to SSA standards and have resources less than $2000. - Individuals can keep their Medicaid through 1619( until they earn what is called their state threshold. This is an amount that varies from state to state and can range from $15,000 per year to $49,000. The threshold for Illinois in 2011 is $26,141. - Some individuals who receive SSI have extremely high medical costs and the state threshold amount for the state in which they live is not an incentive to return to work. For these individuals, it is possible for them to receive what is called an individualized threshold through the local SSA office. For Individuals who receive SSDI: - If they have never worked while on benefits, they will have at least eight and a half years of Medicare coverage when they do begin working. - The first nine months of Medicare would be covered under what is called a Trial Work Period. - The following 93 months are called Extended Medicare Coverage. - Even after the Extended Medicare Coverage ends, it does not mean that the individual will lose this medical benefit. - Following Extended Medicare, individuals are able to purchase their Medicare coverage. This means that they would pay a premium to keep their Medicare. ________________________________ From: Jerue Family <jeruefamily@...<mailto:jeruefamily%40comcast.net>> IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Adult Services eligibility while working Congratulations to your daughter, yes, that IS a good problem to have. I could take a stab at this, but would rather hear from Marsie or others first on this list. They will do a better job than me! I’m forwarding this on to M’s attention right now. L. From: cpropheter@...<mailto:cpropheter%40sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> Subject: Adult Services eligibility while working We have a good problem (I guess) to have. Our 22 year old adult disabled daughter is due to start a position with a starting wage over $10.00 per hour. Her employer is willing to work with us to ensure we don't disqualify her for government benefits. While we don't care if she receives an SSI check, we do, however, want to ensure we don't disqualify her from the possibility of ever receiving adult services as she needs the support to be able to work and live. I understand the " asset " rule...what I am unclear on is if she makes more than $1000.00 per month will that disqualify her from SSI eligibility? If the Section 1619 of SSI/Medicaid indicates Illinois' threshold is $27,000.00 doesn't that then constitute as gainful activity and disqualify her from SSI? She starts work in a couple of weeks so I'd like to be crystal clear to her employer just what she can and cannot do. Thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Thanks Sherri, I hate acronyms! Which one is now under managed care? Is it true that medicare will also soon be under the same managed care as medicaid? I attended your presentations in the past, very helpful, but things are changing so please keep us aware of any scheduled events coming up. Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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