Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

[Guest guest]

I took that God awful test twice. Both times I had gestational diabetes.

first time I listened to them and went on their " diabetic diet " ended up on

insulin. They raised my insulin every time I went in. And just about starved

to death. Second baby..smarter....went on the sugar busters diet and never

took insulin and never had blood sugar over 120. Ask your doc if you can test

your sugar everyday after a meal and see if you are going over the 120 mark.

Also Target gives you a sugar monitor to use through your pregnancy. Just

give it back after the baby is born. That drink is hideous. I never drink

soda and that made me remember why.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

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[Guest guest]

At 04:49 AM 01/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>I am 27 weeks pregnant, in a week and a half the doc wants me to do the

whole Glucose Tolerance Testing. I reall DO NOT want to do this. YUCK....

I have hypoglycemia anyway, and to fast will leave me with that wonderful

" sugar " headache as I call it ... then on top of it, to bombard my body

with the glucola and crash later in the day... I " m gonna be the wicked

witch of the west.... I can't get my doctor to let up ... this last phone

call he mentioned liability issues ..... <rolling my eyes> I'm obviously

doing something wrong in my web searches, because I know this test is NOT

reliable, yet all I can find is .... " you need to do this test " type stuff.

>

>Does anyone have a clue where I might find some information with studies?

I have PP's birth guru's thought on it, but I know that won't be enough.

>

>TIA

> in IL

>

Why do you have to do this?

?Are you having problems?

See a homeopath?

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[Guest guest]

unfortunately this happens to be a routine test for pregnant women and most

women aren't aware of the implications of the test as well as it's

inaccuracy. you can take a look at murray enkin's book a guide to effective

care during pregnancy. one of henci goer's books may address this as well.

a good childbirth educator or midwife will have information. i know that

rahima baldwin has an article available somewhere ...

good luck!

mandi

At 04:49 AM 01/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>I am 27 weeks pregnant, in a week and a half the doc wants me to do the

whole Glucose Tolerance Testing. I reall DO NOT want to do this. YUCK....

I have hypoglycemia anyway, and to fast will leave me with that wonderful

" sugar " headache as I call it ... then on top of it, to bombard my body

with the glucola and crash later in the day... I " m gonna be the wicked

witch of the west.... I can't get my doctor to let up ... this last phone

call he mentioned liability issues ..... <rolling my eyes> I'm obviously

doing something wrong in my web searches, because I know this test is NOT

reliable, yet all I can find is .... " you need to do this test " type stuff.

>

>Does anyone have a clue where I might find some information with studies?

I have PP's birth guru's thought on it, but I know that won't be enough.

[Guest guest]

Why do you have to do this?

?Are you having problems?

See a homeopath?

I'm not having ANY problems, that's my point in all of this .... it's just

something standard that the idiot OB does. I told Ron, if we do this again,

I'll be damned if I'm going to jump through these asses hooops...

[Guest guest]

If you don't want to do the test - don't do it - don't argue with the

doctor. If you need to write a statement for your file that your

doctor has advised doing this test and you are declining. You don't

need to state why, you're declining.

I wish it was that easy ... I always get the " why? " last time it had to do

with Vit. K ... I told him why, and he said, oh, I didn't know that ... etc...

Maybe I'll just go into my visit with what I have and a letter of decline.

Other than mentioning the liability issue, he kept saying my age ...... roflmao

.... I'm 32 for heaven's sakes ... that makes me high risk?

frustration is kicking me in the butt

[Guest guest]

I pretty much thought that was a standard pregnancy test to ensure you didn't

have any form of diabetes. Not taking care of diabetes during pregnancy can

have serious effect on the health of you and your child. I had it and found out

that I was a diabetic (was given it early because my pregnancy test showed a lot

of sugar spill over in my urine sample). In the end because I took care of it ,

my baby was healthy & only 6 lbs 11 ounces. Since I know I am a diabetic now

with my current pregnancy they didn't bother giving the test because I already

knew I was diabetic. just have to monitor my sugars and deal with it using

insulin.

Barbara

ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

I am 27 weeks pregnant, in a week and a half the doc wants me to do the whole

Glucose Tolerance Testing. I reall DO NOT want to do this. YUCK.... I have

hypoglycemia anyway, and to fast will leave me with that wonderful " sugar "

headache as I call it ... then on top of it, to bombard my body with the glucola

and crash later in the day... I " m gonna be the wicked witch of the west.... I

can't get my doctor to let up ... this last phone call he mentioned liability

issues ..... <rolling my eyes> I'm obviously doing something wrong in my web

searches, because I know this test is NOT reliable, yet all I can find is ....

" you need to do this test " type stuff.

Does anyone have a clue where I might find some information with studies? I

have PP's birth guru's thought on it, but I know that won't be enough.

TIA

in IL

[Guest guest]

JUST SAY NO THANK YOU ;-)

At 12:58 PM 01/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Why do you have to do this?

>?Are you having problems?

>See a homeopath?

>

>

>I'm not having ANY problems, that's my point in all of this .... it's just

something standard that the idiot OB does. I told Ron, if we do this

again, I'll be damned if I'm going to jump through these asses hooops...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Once I read that a handful of M & M's does the same thing as that drink. And

drinking ANY sugar on an empty stomach is almost sure to give out " warning "

signals. And how cruel can one be but ask a pregnant mother to fast? My

blood pressure is super low (80something over 50something) that to go

without eating and then drink sugar would surely give me fainting spells.

Laurie

[Guest guest]

I had two perfect babies both when I was GD at least til I vaxed them!

hugs,

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be

given to their children "

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[Guest guest]

JUST SAY NO. GEEZ, these doctors seem to forget that it is YOUR body

and YOU ARE THE CONSUMER! If you have no reason to think there is a

problem, JUST SAY NO. Keep saying it! This is exactly why I hired a

lay midwife and had my last baby at home. I went to one, and only

one, OB visit. During that visit, the OB (a woman, which took care

of my erroneous assumption that women OB's were more compassionate)

tried to bully me into an AIDS test, the triple screen test, an

ultrasound, an amnio (since I waas going to be turning 35 in a few

months) and the glucose tolerance test. The only reason they wanted

me to do the glucose tolerance was because my first son was 9 pounds,

15 ounces. Not because there was a problem - but because this OB

personally did not like to have to deliver large babies. Yes, that

is what she told me. The night before she'd delivered an 11 pounder

and she didn't want to do it again. Too bad I haven't been back to

tell her that I delivered a 12 pound, 2 ounce baby at home with NO

problems, and I didn't have gestational diabetes.

Now that I've finished my rant, here is a page from the midwifery

archives all about GD:

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gestdiab.html

Kayla in Georgia

mom to (9/98, partially vaxed)

and sweet Will (born at home 5/02, not vaxed)

> I am 27 weeks pregnant, in a week and a half the doc wants me to do

the whole Glucose Tolerance Testing. I reall DO NOT want to do

this. YUCK.... I have hypoglycemia anyway, and to fast will leave me

with that wonderful " sugar " headache as I call it ... then on top of

it, to bombard my body with the glucola and crash later in the day...

I " m gonna be the wicked witch of the west.... I can't get my doctor

to let up ... this last phone call he mentioned liability

issues ..... <rolling my eyes> I'm obviously doing something wrong

in my web searches, because I know this test is NOT reliable, yet all

I can find is .... " you need to do this test " type stuff.

>

> Does anyone have a clue where I might find some information with

studies? I have PP's birth guru's thought on it, but I know that

won't be enough.

>

> TIA

> in IL

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually I am diabetic and your body should normally give yourself enough

insulin so that within an hour after you eat any carbs you reach the same

pre-sugar level in your blood in that timeframe. For example if your blood sugar

level is at 70 before you eat then after eating you should return to 70 after an

hour. I've researched this a lot and was fortunate enough to have an

endocrinologist who had a clue about diabetes and insulin. She taught me

everything she knows about diabetes and insulin. She was a no nonsense doctor

who bucked the system a lot too. Unfortunately she moved her practice out of

state and there are absolutely no doctors that I know of in my area who have a

clue. I email this doctor anytime I need advice on what to do with my insulin

changes during this pregnancy. I ignore my OBs and a high risk doctor they had

sent me to see. He was completely worthless. THE endocrinologist I keep in

touch with used to tell me to go with what I knew to do with my insulin and diet

because I knew better than most doctors do. I take care of my diabetes myself

this time around and so far my sugar levels have been good and everything with

my baby has gone well. My baby's weight is within average according to the

ultrasound I just had.

I guess I never had a problem with the glucose test. I stopped eating before

bedtime and did the test first thing in the morning. I didn't snack in the

middle of the night so this wasn't a problem for me. I was just glad to find out

in time to make sure my baby would be ok.

If you are concerned about the test then I would go with getting a glucometer

and checking your fasting sugar ( test blood sugar before breakfast) and one

hour after meals to make sure you aren't getting high sugars. Don't forget that

it isn't the sugar you have to be concerned with but ANY carbs will increase you

sugar levels. Sugar is just one form of carbohydrate. You will be amazed at

how many carbs are in foods that you normally wouldn't even consider to be a

problem.

Diabetes can be tricky because you may have it but not know unless you test your

sugars. I was diabetic before I got pregnant the first time but didn't know I

had it. I had no signs of having it. I was shocked to find out that my sugar

levels were so out of whack. They do a 3 month test that shows the average your

sugar levels are for the 3 months prior to the test. It seems fairly accurate.

I keep a log and the results of this test have always been within my own testing

average.

Good luck!

Barbara

Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

Once I read that a handful of M & M's does the same thing as that drink. And

drinking ANY sugar on an empty stomach is almost sure to give out " warning "

signals. And how cruel can one be but ask a pregnant mother to fast? My

blood pressure is super low (80something over 50something) that to go

without eating and then drink sugar would surely give me fainting spells.

Laurie

[Guest guest]

You shouldn't necessarily have a problem with a larger baby whether or not you

have diabetes. I know people who have diabetes and had large babies and people

who didn't with large babies. It is the potential for birth defects that I am

most concerned with as a diabetic.

I had a good experience giving birth at the hospital the first time. They

checked me to see how I was doing and left me alone for the rest of the time.

Even my doctor just popped in to see how I was doing then came right at delivery

time to catch her. Although I guess other people have had bad experiences at a

hospital. I guess we are lucky with the hospitals we do have here. I just tell

them what I plan on doing and not doing and they have never pushed anything

after that. I think it all depends on your doctor and the facilities you choose

to use. My OBs pretty much are for letting things go naturally. They never

have pushed me if I said I didn't want a test. I am at the age where they

normally push all those genetic tests and such but I just signed a form saying I

chose not to have them done and that was that.

I don't think I'd feel comfortable giving birth at home. Although being

diabetic I don't think any midwifes would have touched me with a ten foot pole.

At least that is what a friend of mine who had a midwife and OB had said.

Re: Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

I delivered a ten pound baby at home without any problems either! My first

was born at a hospital, NEVER AGAIN, will I birth anywhere but home!!

Sara

Too bad I haven't been back to

tell her that I delivered a 12 pound, 2 ounce baby at home with NO

problems, and I didn't have gestational diabetes.

[Guest guest]

If there is nothing in the urine sample that you give every visit

(are they still doing that?) there is no reason for it.

Yes, and I even told him, if I start spilling glucose in my urine, then we'll do

something about it.... so, I guess I " m just gonna have to go in and say

respectfully. No thank you. Can he refuse to treat me after that? The last

thing that I need is to not have a doctor.

tracy

[Guest guest]

And how cruel can one be but ask a pregnant mother to fast?

LOL .... how bout a hypoglycemic pregnant mother .... when I don't eat and my

blood sugar bottoms out, I get these wicked wicked headaches along with dizzy

spells, AND my whole temperement changes. As long as I consume SOME protein

before lunch every day, I'm fine. It's been like this since I was about 13.

Oh, and to top it all off, they want me to fast until 10 am ROFLMFAO, YEAH,

that's gonna happen!

Thanks Laurie!

[Guest guest]

is exactly why I hired a lay midwife and had my last baby at home

We can't have lay midwives in IL anymore, but there is a group of OB's that

deliver at home. I have a friend that used them and she never had any of this

crap with them. She also didn't have to worry about concerns that her kids

would be vax'd at birth.... they are a group that at least supports

non-vaxing... homefirst.com is their website. The doc even wrote a book about

them, I think.... They have a pediatrician too, I'm so hoping that I can get

them to take ron's insurance.

Thanks so much, Kayla.

(oh, and I didn't do the afp either)

[Guest guest]

I stopped eating before bedtime and did the test first thing in the morning.

I can't do this. One, if I wake up hungry and don't eat, I get physically ill.

I can't ever predict when I'm goign to wake up hungry. I haven't in a few days,

but that doens't mean I won't tonight. They want me to stop eating at midnight

and test after 10 am ... whatever the heck that is about.

I just had a blood glucose done with all my other tests a few months ago. It

was like 2 points too high, but I ate cold sweet cereal for breakfast and drank

a coke on the way to the office (they didn't tell me they were drawing blood, I

can't even remember why they were doing it) so, yeah, it would be slightly

elevated.

I'm not opposed to sticking myself at home and testing, I'm just not going to

deal with the migraine that comes after the glucola crash. He wouldn't agree to

just a fasting blood glucose.

[Guest guest]

It is the potential for birth defects that I am most concerned with as a

diabetic.

Please show me the studies on this, because I have several here that say the

worst that happens is that the baby is big and that s/he could potentially have

a hypoglycemic episode after birth. All of the stuff that I've read over teh

past 2 days say that there are no congenital abnormalities resulting from GD.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

That is kind of silly to wait til 10. When did they say you had to stop eating

at night? I stopped before bedtime and could go have it done when the lab

opened which I thought was 8 or 9. THey could also do a 3 month blood test and

see what your sugars have averaged. THat doesn't involve any fasting. Or just

having a fasting blood test done will show at least if you are high in the

morning and have potential for a problem.

Barbara

Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

And how cruel can one be but ask a pregnant mother to fast?

LOL .... how bout a hypoglycemic pregnant mother .... when I don't eat and my

blood sugar bottoms out, I get these wicked wicked headaches along with dizzy

spells, AND my whole temperement changes. As long as I consume SOME protein

before lunch every day, I'm fine. It's been like this since I was about 13.

Oh, and to top it all off, they want me to fast until 10 am ROFLMFAO, YEAH,

that's gonna happen!

Thanks Laurie!

[Guest guest]

I'll see if I can find my information on the problems during pregnancy. I can't

seem to find the info off hand. I think that you have less of a chance of birth

defect problems for being gestational since you don't have the diabetes effects

until after the " important " period of development at the very beginning of your

pregnancy. I was at risk for a lot more problems because I was already diabetic

and my sugars were out of control at the beginning of my last pregnancy. I do

know I saw there were more risks being gestation though. I'll see what I can

find out or send a note to my former endocrinologist. She is straightforward

about her facts. I think that is one reason why she left our area because the

majority of the doctors and administrative types in my city tried to tell her

how to deal with her patients. Boy do I miss her.

Barbara

Re: Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

It is the potential for birth defects that I am most concerned with as a

diabetic.

Please show me the studies on this, because I have several here that say the

worst that happens is that the baby is big and that s/he could potentially have

a hypoglycemic episode after birth. All of the stuff that I've read over teh

past 2 days say that there are no congenital abnormalities resulting from GD.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

I delivered a ten pound baby at home without any problems either! My first was

born at a hospital, NEVER AGAIN, will I birth anywhere but home!!

Sara

Too bad I haven't been back to

tell her that I delivered a 12 pound, 2 ounce baby at home with NO

problems, and I didn't have gestational diabetes.

[Guest guest]

It is important to know if you have gestational diabetes for your own welfare

and the welfare of the baby. My blood sugar went up the last trimester of my

pregnancy and I had to watch my diet and checked my blood sugar fasting in a.m.

and 2 hours after each meal to monitor. I did NOT have the glucose tolerance

test. Your doctor should be able to test your blood sugar fasting and 2 hours

after a normal meal and compare those values to what is considered normal.

There are charts which describe the cutoff values and define when a patient

meets the criteria for gestational diabetes. Uncontrolled high blood sugars

can create very large babies. My mother had uncontrolled diabetes/ high blood

sugar during her pregnancies and my brother weighed 12 pounds and was 24 in.

long. (This was years ago). Talk to a Registered Dietitian who specializes in

either prenatal nutrition or diabetes.

ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

,

Personally, I think all this testing stuff has more to do with cover

thy A**.

If you don't want to do the test - don't do it - don't argue with the

doctor. If you need to write a statement for your file that your

doctor has advised doing this test and you are declining. You don't

need to state why, you're declining.

Jackie Noel

www.sagaciousairedales.com

www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

care of a diabetic pregnant woman and a GD pregnant woman are 2 different

things in my mind. statistically, a woman with GD has pretty much the same

risk of having a " big " baby as any other woman if i recall correctly from

the research i've done. henci goer's review of the literature found that

other factors-race, age, parity and especially maternal weight - far

outweigh glucose intolerance in determining the baby's weight " (p159). enkin

found that up to " 30% of mothers with an abnormal glucose-tolerance test

have a baby with a birthweight of more than 4000g " (76). those are very

small numbers.

enkin also states that treatment of women with an abnormal

glucose-intolerance test doesn't reduce perinatal mortality or morbidity.

goer's research echoes that finding as well, and goer goes on to say that

the treatment of these women actually introduces the risk. enkin also says

that the research does not support universal glucose-intolerance testing on

pregnant women.

i agree with the others - refuse the test and discuss alternatives as

mentioned.

-- Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

It is important to know if you have gestational diabetes for your own

welfare and the welfare of the baby. My blood sugar went up the last

trimester of my pregnancy and I had to watch my diet and checked my blood

sugar fasting in a.m. and 2 hours after each meal to monitor. I did NOT have

the glucose tolerance test. Your doctor should be able to test your blood

sugar fasting and 2 hours after a normal meal and compare those values to

what is considered normal. There are charts which describe the cutoff values

and define when a patient meets the criteria for gestational diabetes.

Uncontrolled high blood sugars can create very large babies. My mother had

uncontrolled diabetes/ high blood sugar during her pregnancies and my

brother weighed 12 pounds and was 24 in. long. (This was years ago). Talk to

a Registered Dietitian who specializes in either prenatal nutrition or

diabetes.

ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

,

Personally, I think all this testing stuff has more to do with cover

thy A**.

If you don't want to do the test - don't do it - don't argue with the

doctor. If you need to write a statement for your file that your

doctor has advised doing this test and you are declining. You don't

need to state why, you're declining.

Jackie Noel

www.sagaciousairedales.com

www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

I told them I was hypoglycemic and would not fast, period. They said OK and

did the test non-fasting.

www.ChestnutHillCurlies.com

Re: ot - Glucose Tolerance Testing

>

>

> And how cruel can one be but ask a pregnant mother to fast?

>

> LOL .... how bout a hypoglycemic pregnant mother .... when I don't eat

and my blood sugar bottoms out, I get these wicked wicked headaches along

with dizzy spells, AND my whole temperement changes. As long as I consume

SOME protein before lunch every day, I'm fine. It's been like this since I

was about 13.

>

> Oh, and to top it all off, they want me to fast until 10 am ROFLMFAO,

YEAH, that's gonna happen!

>

> Thanks Laurie!

>

>

>

>