Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 I asked him to show me how vaccines are safe and how we are all wrong but so far he has not written back to me...hmmmmm wondering if maybe he can't??? I even told him I would devote a whole page on my website to him and all of the safety studies he must have in order to say vaccines are safe, but nothing ....no return email at all...maybe he is busy... " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should be given to their children " <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 He doesn't care Sara...he will just post your email and make fun of you. Diane and Jim Emerick emerick@... Blake, 5 years old (12-25-97) Amber, 22 months old (2-17-01) Please visit our homepage at: http://theemericks.homestead.com/family.html " Uneducated people believe what they are told... Educated people question what they are told " Re: Ratbag site/Yurko Tell me about it...I checked his site last week, and my kids chicken pox pictures which he refers to as child abuse pictures are still up in all their glory. Hey, what if everyone sent emails to him telling him how wonderful those pictures are and what perfect examples they are about how " not " dangerous chicken pox is??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 how can he get by with posting your kids pictures with chicken pox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 <how can he get by with posting your kids pictures with chicken pox?> He figures since he blocked the kids eyes out and didn't reveal out name he is safe. Read the emails from a friend under the pics. http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars/chickenpox.htm Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Tell me about it...I checked his site last week, and my kids chicken pox pictures which he refers to as child abuse pictures are still up in all their glory. Hey, what if everyone sent emails to him telling him how wonderful those pictures are and what perfect examples they are about how " not " dangerous chicken pox is??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 He doesn't care Sara...he will just post your email and make fun of you. What a rat bastard,oop, err bag, wait no, bastard! Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 , Here is my interaction with him. I think it was just before Christmas. Maybe he is gone for the holidays and hasn't had a chance to write me back. I had written him in the first place because he had my website in is going to hell group with a strange name. " ? " he never took the time to read it in the first place or he would have seen my last name. He really did me a favor because he brought to my attention that I had no name for search engines to find me. I changed the name and now I'm getting a lot more hits! Any way here is what he said: How come you have ? for my website? Do you need my last name? Really the name of the website is " theforgotten " wouldn't that make it come under 't'? My last name is Callahan maybe that should make it come under 'C.' Love from vaccine hell, looking forward to regular hell, Perhaps it isn't as obvious as I thought, but I usually list sites by the page title. In your case: 1) The page title is " Home Page " , just like FrontPage wrote it. 2) The URL I was given had " ~wendy " in it, so that was the best guess I could make at any sort of name. As you don't appear confident enough in what you say to put your name on your site anywhere (at least, not anywhere easily findable), it was the best I could do. 3) Using " theforgotten " would make no sense because that is the host name, not the site name. Also, you carry an explicit statement that your site has nothing to do with the host. I have changed the listing to say " Vaccines: What You Should Know " , and I have changed the link to point to " /vaccines " . These changes will come through in the next regular update of my site. I notice that you quote those words generally attributed to Hitler: " Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it " . I can see that you have taken this advice to heart. Sleep well. The mothers of the 2800 children who will die today from measles might not have an easy night's rest, but they're not your problem. -- Bowditch peterb@... Mad - Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad - The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad - Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters Hi , Glad you cleared up the confusion a little for me. I am definitely not a webmeister! My friends' son hosts the website for me and I don't know all of the intricacies of it. I like the name you chose it fits well...thanks. It is obvious you haven't read my story because you would have seen my full name on the very first page. I wrote the paper as a project for school. It just so happened my son began seizing right after his vaccines while I was in school. I asked the teacher if she wouldn't mind if I did my research paper on vaccines since it was all I was doing anyway.... researching vaccines between his seizures. Actually my pediatrician started my research when he handed me the " What you need to know fact sheet " on vaccines that states 1 out of every 1750 kids will seize from this vaccine. Had the doctors just agreed and said yes your child is seizing from this vaccine I would have left it alone but they continued to lie to me saying he wasn't seizing from vaccines! Go figure! It is written in black and white but still they deny. Once I saw the ingredients from the package insert, I had all I needed to see how dangerous they are. I really do want to be wrong and have someone show me how wrong I am but as of yet, no takers. I have talked to 4 pediatricians and a doctor at the CDC and one from the FDA but no one can give me proof even that the vaccines work. It is the same old thing 'we have no studies'. Even when I ask them how the immune system works every answer starts with " well we think. " I want to know how it works and see studies done but all I get is " we think. " I even went as far as to read their favorite book at the CDC " Vaccines " now that is scary. Every other word is " we need more research " or " less is known " or " does not appear to be. " I read about the horrible cutter incident in that book.... geez do these people sleep at night? If so how? So if you have studies or know for sure vaccines are safe and have proof please share it. I have begged my pediatrician for any safety studies as well as the CDC and I get nothing. I have to admit I really haven't read your whole website but if there are studies on it showing proof of safety and efficacy just send me link to that page. I want vaccines to be a safe and smart thing to do since I held my little son's leg to receive them. I wanted to be the good mom who did the best for her child but all I got was seizures. Measles would have been a walk in the park compared to what my son has been through. He had 5 shots of Pertussis and still came down with it. Just not seeing the benefit in our family. But like I said if you have info that no one else has please share. Again hoping to be wrong. I will try and take your advice and sleep well, but ever since I started researching the toxic waste I paid a doctor to injected into my child it really has been hard. Sometimes I wake up wondering which of the 59 monkey viruses in the polio vaccine might be festering in my children ready to rear its ugly head. Or if the leukemia virus from the measles vaccines made from chicken eggs will attack my children this year or next. What country are 2800 kids dying of measles in? The US? All from reading my website? I have only had 2300 hits! The chance of mothers listening to me is slim to none. I didn't. I was warned by my chiropractor he begged me to research I told him my pediatrician knew more than he did. Have I eaten my words? Heck yes. I can barely look him in the eye. He is sweet about it and doesn't say, " I told you " very often any more so I still go to him. His daughter is 7 and unvaxxed. Healthy as a horse. I know this is long and you probably have already deleted this but if you haven't and you really want to show me and the world how safe vaccines really are please do and I will devote as many pages as you need on my website. Straight from vaccine hell, " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should be given to their children " <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 I also want to know how calling you an abuser isn't Libel ..... what a creep. He's one of the reasons (among many) that I don't post on the pp debate board ... he's just scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 I imagine that they will also give them " natural immunity " to broken bones and facial scarring by allowing them to travel in the car without restraints. Uh........ there's a big differnece between a choice and the law .... what an idiot....... oh, i particularly enjoyed this as well (NOT) I wonder how they are going to give them " natural immunity " to hepatitis B and other sexually-transmitted diseases Uh...... maybe by teaching him/her abstinence and the use of condoms and hope like hell we all raise children smart enough not to do drugs .... What a jerk. I'M almost sorry I went there.... this man is the epitomy of evil. I still think it's libel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 more, sorry, guess I should have just slowly read the whole thing and replied in one email .... hindsight Please note the pustule on the boy's lower eyelid, and then think about how you would prevent a four-year-old from scratching it. I'm sorry but a 4 year old is old enough not to scratch. My boys were both 23 months (3 years apart) when they got cp ........ neither scratched. The only scar Chase has is because I washed his face and the scab came off .... totally my fault. JERK JERK JERK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Were is his healtfraud list? Is that the name? Is it a group? " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should be given to their children " <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 but nothing ...no return email at all...maybe he is busy... when did you email him? He's probably " busy " making up stuff. I guess the thing that really gets me is that most of the kids that get the cp vax, still get cp ..... I know in 97 when I was working in a daycare center, we had an entire room of 12 month olds get the vaccine in a 5 month period of time. (oops, sorry, that was 12 12-18 month olds) ... They ALL got the chicken pox before I left at the end of may (that was January to may). By the time they got them, they'd all had the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 <I also want to know how calling you an abuser isn't Libel ..... > Well...simply because he didn't give our names. It really does suck that he can do it though. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 I found that my kids scarred anyway, even the ones on their backs where they never picked. Diane and Jim Emerick emerick@... Blake, 5 years old (12-25-97) Amber, 22 months old (2-17-01) Please visit our homepage at: http://theemericks.homestead.com/family.html " Uneducated people believe what they are told... Educated people question what they are told " Re: Ratbag site/Yurko more, sorry, guess I should have just slowly read the whole thing and replied in one email .... hindsight Please note the pustule on the boy's lower eyelid, and then think about how you would prevent a four-year-old from scratching it. I'm sorry but a 4 year old is old enough not to scratch. My boys were both 23 months (3 years apart) when they got cp ........ neither scratched. The only scar Chase has is because I washed his face and the scab came off .... totally my fault. JERK JERK JERK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 He's alive and well and active on his healthfraud list - I was the target 2 weeks ago, then Sherri Tenpenny and Alan Yurko last week Stay far away from him At 06:45 PM 01/05/2003 EST, you wrote: >, Here is my interaction with him. I think it was just before Christmas. >Maybe he is gone for the holidays and hasn't had a chance to write me back. I >had written him in the first place because he had my website in is going to >hell group with a strange name. " ? " he never took the time to read it in >the first place or he would have seen my last name. He really did me a favor >because he brought to my attention that I had no name for search engines to >find me. I changed the name and now I'm getting a lot more hits! Any way here >is what he said: > > >How come you have ? for my website? Do you need my last name? Really the >name of the website is " theforgotten " wouldn't that make it come under 't'? >My last name is Callahan maybe that should make it come under 'C.' > >Love from vaccine hell, looking forward to regular hell, > > > > > > >Perhaps it isn't as obvious as I thought, but I usually list sites by the >page title. In your case: > >1) The page title is " Home Page " , just like FrontPage wrote it. > >2) The URL I was given had " ~wendy " in it, so that was the best guess I >could make at any sort of name. As you don't appear confident enough in >what you say to put your name on your site anywhere (at least, not >anywhere easily findable), it was the best I could do. > >3) Using " theforgotten " would make no sense because that is the host name, >not the site name. Also, you carry an explicit statement that your site >has nothing to do with the host. > >I have changed the listing to say " Vaccines: What You Should Know " , and I >have changed the link to point to " /vaccines " . These changes will come >through in the next regular update of my site. > >I notice that you quote those words generally attributed to Hitler: " Tell >a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it " . I can see >that you have taken this advice to heart. > >Sleep well. The mothers of the 2800 children who will die today from >measles might not have an easy night's rest, but they're not your problem. > >-- > Bowditch >peterb@... >Mad - Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon >Bad - The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles >Sad - Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters > >Hi , Glad you cleared up the confusion a little for me. I am definitely >not a webmeister! My friends' son hosts the website for me and I don't know >all of the intricacies of it. I like the name you chose it fits >well...thanks. It is obvious you haven't read my story because you would have >seen my full name on the very first page. I wrote the paper as a project for >school. It just so happened my son began seizing right after his vaccines >while I was in school. I asked the teacher if she wouldn't mind if I did my >research paper on vaccines since it was all I was doing anyway.... >researching vaccines between his seizures. >Actually my pediatrician started my research when he handed me the " What you >need to know fact sheet " on vaccines that states 1 out of every 1750 kids >will seize from this vaccine. Had the doctors just agreed and said yes your >child is seizing from this vaccine I would have left it alone but they >continued to lie to me saying he wasn't seizing from vaccines! Go figure! It >is written in black and white but still they deny. Once I saw the ingredients >from the package insert, I had all I needed to see how dangerous they are. I >really do want to be wrong and have someone show me how wrong I am but as of >yet, no takers. I have talked to 4 pediatricians and a doctor at the CDC and >one from the FDA but no one can give me proof even that the vaccines work. It >is the same old thing 'we have no studies'. Even when I ask them how the >immune system works every answer starts with " well we think. " I want to know >how it works and see studies done but all I get is " we think. " I even went as >far as to read their favorite book at the CDC " Vaccines " now that is scary. >Every other word is " we need more research " or " less is known " or " does not >appear to be. " I read about the horrible cutter incident in that book.... >geez do these people sleep at night? If so how? So if you have studies or >know for sure vaccines are safe and have proof please share it. I have begged >my pediatrician for any safety studies as well as the CDC and I get nothing. >I have to admit I really haven't read your whole website but if there are >studies on it showing proof of safety and efficacy just send me link to that >page. I want vaccines to be a safe and smart thing to do since I held my >little son's leg to receive them. I wanted to be the good mom who did the >best for her child but all I got was seizures. Measles would have been a walk >in the park compared to what my son has been through. He had 5 shots of >Pertussis and still came down with it. Just not seeing the benefit in our >family. But like I said if you have info that no one else has please share. >Again hoping to be wrong. I will try and take your advice and sleep well, but >ever since I started researching the toxic waste I paid a doctor to injected >into my child it really has been hard. Sometimes I wake up wondering which of >the 59 monkey viruses in the polio vaccine might be festering in my children >ready to rear its ugly head. Or if the leukemia virus from the measles >vaccines made from chicken eggs will attack my children this year or next. >What country are 2800 kids dying of measles in? The US? All from reading my >website? I have only had 2300 hits! The chance of mothers listening to me is >slim to none. I didn't. I was warned by my chiropractor he begged me to >research I told him my pediatrician knew more than he did. Have I eaten my >words? Heck yes. I can barely look him in the eye. He is sweet about it and >doesn't say, " I told you " very often any more so I still go to him. His >daughter is 7 and unvaxxed. Healthy as a horse. I know this is long and you >probably have already deleted this but if you haven't and you really want to >show me and the world how safe vaccines really are please do and I will >devote as many pages as you need on my website. >Straight from vaccine hell, > > > > " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should >be >given to their children " ><A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Hi all, I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but maybe this would be a good time for all of us to think about being careful about what we post on the internet, if we are not doing so already. It seems to me a good rule of thumb would be to evaluate what we are trying to accomplish and whether doing something will accomplish that. To be honest, I'm not sure I understand what was hoped to be accomplished by posting pictures of children on the Internet and advertising that they had chickenpox and all that. It's an invitation to be attacked, and for what? I know the intentions were good, and maybe I'm missing something, so please explain if I am. All the best, Sandy Sandy Mintz http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884), paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) http://www.909shot.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. Re: Ratbag site/Yurko He's alive and well and active on his healthfraud list - I was the target 2 weeks ago, then Sherri Tenpenny and Alan Yurko last week Stay far away from him At 06:45 PM 01/05/2003 EST, you wrote: >, Here is my interaction with him. I think it was just before Christmas. >Maybe he is gone for the holidays and hasn't had a chance to write me back. I >had written him in the first place because he had my website in is >going to >hell group with a strange name. " ? " he never took the time to read it in >the first place or he would have seen my last name. He really did me a >favor >because he brought to my attention that I had no name for search engines to >find me. I changed the name and now I'm getting a lot more hits! Any way here >is what he said: > > >How come you have ? for my website? Do you need my last name? >Really the >name of the website is " theforgotten " wouldn't that make it come under >'t'? >My last name is Callahan maybe that should make it come under 'C.' > >Love from vaccine hell, looking forward to regular hell, > > > > > > >Perhaps it isn't as obvious as I thought, but I usually list sites by >the >page title. In your case: > >1) The page title is " Home Page " , just like FrontPage wrote it. > >2) The URL I was given had " ~wendy " in it, so that was the best guess I >could make at any sort of name. As you don't appear confident enough in >what you say to put your name on your site anywhere (at least, not >anywhere easily findable), it was the best I could do. > >3) Using " theforgotten " would make no sense because that is the host >name, >not the site name. Also, you carry an explicit statement that your site >has nothing to do with the host. > >I have changed the listing to say " Vaccines: What You Should Know " , and >I >have changed the link to point to " /vaccines " . These changes will come >through in the next regular update of my site. > >I notice that you quote those words generally attributed to Hitler: > " Tell >a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it " . I can see >that you have taken this advice to heart. > >Sleep well. The mothers of the 2800 children who will die today from >measles might not have an easy night's rest, but they're not your problem. > >-- > Bowditch >peterb@... >Mad - Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon >Bad - The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles >Sad - Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters > >Hi , Glad you cleared up the confusion a little for me. I am >definitely >not a webmeister! My friends' son hosts the website for me and I don't know >all of the intricacies of it. I like the name you chose it fits >well...thanks. It is obvious you haven't read my story because you would have >seen my full name on the very first page. I wrote the paper as a >project for >school. It just so happened my son began seizing right after his vaccines >while I was in school. I asked the teacher if she wouldn't mind if I did my >research paper on vaccines since it was all I was doing anyway.... >researching vaccines between his seizures. >Actually my pediatrician started my research when he handed me the " What you >need to know fact sheet " on vaccines that states 1 out of every 1750 kids >will seize from this vaccine. Had the doctors just agreed and said yes your >child is seizing from this vaccine I would have left it alone but they >continued to lie to me saying he wasn't seizing from vaccines! Go figure! It >is written in black and white but still they deny. Once I saw the ingredients >from the package insert, I had all I needed to see how dangerous they >are. I >really do want to be wrong and have someone show me how wrong I am but as of >yet, no takers. I have talked to 4 pediatricians and a doctor at the CDC and >one from the FDA but no one can give me proof even that the vaccines work. It >is the same old thing 'we have no studies'. Even when I ask them how >the >immune system works every answer starts with " well we think. " I want to know >how it works and see studies done but all I get is " we think. " I even went as >far as to read their favorite book at the CDC " Vaccines " now that is >scary. >Every other word is " we need more research " or " less is known " or " does not >appear to be. " I read about the horrible cutter incident in that book.... >geez do these people sleep at night? If so how? So if you have studies or >know for sure vaccines are safe and have proof please share it. I have begged >my pediatrician for any safety studies as well as the CDC and I get >nothing. >I have to admit I really haven't read your whole website but if there are >studies on it showing proof of safety and efficacy just send me link to that >page. I want vaccines to be a safe and smart thing to do since I held my >little son's leg to receive them. I wanted to be the good mom who did the >best for her child but all I got was seizures. Measles would have been a walk >in the park compared to what my son has been through. He had 5 shots of >Pertussis and still came down with it. Just not seeing the benefit in our >family. But like I said if you have info that no one else has please share. >Again hoping to be wrong. I will try and take your advice and sleep well, but >ever since I started researching the toxic waste I paid a doctor to >injected >into my child it really has been hard. Sometimes I wake up wondering which of >the 59 monkey viruses in the polio vaccine might be festering in my >children >ready to rear its ugly head. Or if the leukemia virus from the measles >vaccines made from chicken eggs will attack my children this year or next. >What country are 2800 kids dying of measles in? The US? All from reading my >website? I have only had 2300 hits! The chance of mothers listening to me is >slim to none. I didn't. I was warned by my chiropractor he begged me to >research I told him my pediatrician knew more than he did. Have I eaten my >words? Heck yes. I can barely look him in the eye. He is sweet about it and >doesn't say, " I told you " very often any more so I still go to him. His >daughter is 7 and unvaxxed. Healthy as a horse. I know this is long and you >probably have already deleted this but if you haven't and you really want to >show me and the world how safe vaccines really are please do and I will >devote as many pages as you need on my website. >Straight from vaccine hell, > > > > " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any >should >be >given to their children " ><A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 PLEASE don't go there and stir things up. They were all trying to get on my vaccineinfo list 2 weeks agao and I had to stop taking people You know what I went thru after Diane's episode with him and I had to purge the list. Please, just stay away...........they are whacko Sheri At 07:16 PM 01/05/2003 EST, you wrote: >Were is his healtfraud list? Is that the name? Is it a group? > > " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should >be >given to their children " ><A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Diane posted them innocently in our files section when they had chicken pox They were stolen from there But we do all have to be very careful. Sheri At 03:19 PM 01/05/2003 -0900, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but maybe this would be a good >time for all of us to think about being careful about what we post on >the internet, if we are not doing so already. It seems to me a good >rule of thumb would be to evaluate what we are trying to accomplish and >whether doing something will accomplish that. To be honest, I'm not >sure I understand what was hoped to be accomplished by posting pictures >of children on the Internet and advertising that they had chickenpox and >all that. It's an invitation to be attacked, and for what? > >I know the intentions were good, and maybe I'm missing something, so >please explain if I am. > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Don't worry I don't have time to stir things up with ratbags. I just can't imagine a group that talks about nothing but healthfrauds. Seems to me vaccines are a fraud they would want to talk about! Its not like there is any science to back them up! " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should be given to their children " <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Hi all, I think it is a mistake to say there is no science to back up the vaccines. There is " science " , but little of it is properly done. But when any of us claim there are no studies, they can provide a litany of them. So in my opinion we need to make a distinction between well-designed, meaningful studies and the ones that have been conducted, which are neither, for the most part. All the best, Sandy Sandy Mintz http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884), paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) http://www.909shot.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. Re: Ratbag site/Yurko Don't worry I don't have time to stir things up with ratbags. I just can't imagine a group that talks about nothing but healthfrauds. Seems to me vaccines are a fraud they would want to talk about! Its not like there is any science to back them up! " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should be given to their children " <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 PLEASE don't go there and stir things up. Yeah, he seems to feed off of upsetting people and the attention that he gets from his site. I would even wager that most of the people who even go to it are people who don't vaccinate and are just checking it out for the " shock value " . If he is left alone and doesn't receive any attention then he will probably stop. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 " Whence come these hatreds...? They are an expression of a desperate effort to suppress an awareness of our inadequacy, worthlessness, guilt and other shortcomings of the self. Self-contempt is here transmuted into hatred of others--and there is a most determined and persistent effort to mask this switch.....That hatred springs more from self-contempt than from a legitimate grievance is seen in the intimate connection between hatred and a guilty conscience.....Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. " ---- Hoffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 I agree....... john wrote: > " Whence come these hatreds...? They are an expression of a desperate effort > to suppress an awareness of our inadequacy, worthlessness, guilt and other > shortcomings of the self. Self-contempt is here transmuted into hatred of > others--and there is a most determined and persistent effort to mask this > switch.....That hatred springs more from self-contempt than from a > legitimate grievance is seen in the intimate connection between hatred and a > guilty conscience.....Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an > empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to > find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but > also by nursing a fanatical grievance. " ---- Hoffer > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Moot points of ratbags sophmoric attempts to defame the anti-vax movement: 1)Seems to me that by virtue of your son not being blind that it would be pretty easy to prevent a 4-yr-old from scratching 2)he's showing pictures of sick children to strangers on his site so why is it not childabuse for him? 3)He's probably lying about catching CP again from daughter, sure it could happen but this *drama queen* searches out to bend the lines. He's obviously a moron, I can just picture his fat little body sitting behind a computer desk surrounded by electronic equiptment and electromagnetic fields frying his brain. As he sits and is creating his computer nerd millenium project out in a little shed in Australia with an extra tv monitor playing Austin Powers movies on one side and a stack of porn magazines on the other side of him and a fridge full of cheap beer all the while wishing he could be just like Austin and dreaming of Eve Switzer (kidoctr) naked doing a poll dance. heheheh _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 a fridge full of cheap beer all the while wishing he could be just like Austin and dreaming of Eve Switzer (kidoctr) naked doing a poll dance. heheheh ROFLMAO......... baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad sorry, but that is just too funny... although I've avoided her like the plague, as far as I'm concerned Eve should be hog tied and give the same shots she professes to give her own children..... YUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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