Re: Now we have chicken pox vaccine too

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No doubt you are correct in a great deal of what you say, Dr. Wolski,

but also I do not think those who are concerneda about vaccinations

are out of their minds. Simply because of all the outcry, I think

something real is going on with regard to undesirable side-effects

from some vaccines, and I therefore agree with that a close

watch for cleanliness and proper administration needs to be put on

vaccines.

PLEASE KEEP ME POSTED WITH REGARD TO YOUR PROGRESS WITH DCA!

Thanks so much!

>

> >   Posted by: " Dr Wolski " privet012002@...

> > privet012002  

> > Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:33 pm ((PST))

> > We should all go back and learn about the polio

> > epidemics of the early

> > 50's   Iron lung anyone?   If we stopped vaccinating

> > for polio,

> > there will eventually be another polio outbreak.

> > people dying or being

> > paralyzed. Only when the polio vaccine came about

> > did epidemics stop in

> > America, why go back to that?

> > ____________

> > The situation may be more complicated than simply

> > the lack and presence

> > of the polio vaccine. I've read on a number of

> > occasions that a number

> > of factors (including public health issues) may have

> > been involved in

> > the rise and subsequent " disappearance " of polio.

> > There may be

> > approaches other than vaccination available; also,

> > the choice of the

> > TYPE of vaccine may make a big difference in regard

> > to some of the

> > vaccine problems cited. 's (as always

> > excellent) article

> > (reprinted below) may shine some light on some of

> > these the issues. They

> > have been discussed elswhere, too.

> >

> > P.S. Also, with all due respect, Dr. Wolski. be

> > careful with the

> > potential post hoc fallacy inherent in your comments

> > above.

> >

> > Re: I don't agree with vaccinations.........  

> > Posted by: " VGammill "

> > vgammill@...   Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:11

> > pm ((PST))

> > Vaccination and its Devastating Effects on Human

> > Health with Respect to

> > Afghanistan

> > by Syed Toora, (Ph.D - Microbiology)

> > and Hamideh Saba (MD)

> > The process of vaccination existed for millions of

> > years, as now we know

> > that there are thousands of beneficial and harmless

> > micro-organisms with

> > similar antigenic character as that of pathogenic

> > organisms. Exposure to

> > such organisms immunises humans and animals against

> > the harmful

> > micro-organisms. Prior to Jenner's discovery

> > of vaccine, the

> > human mortality even with simple infections was very

> > high due to the

> > lack of understanding about the cause of the

> > diseases. Immunisation

> > through vaccination created lots of interest and

> > hope in the minds and

> > hearts of many researchers and scientists by helping

> > them to use this

> > technology for the prevention of diseases and

> > reducing human suffering.

> > Unfortunately this policy did not survive for long

> > and took another

> > direction when the world's major companies took

> > control of vaccine

> > manufacturing and vaccination policies. Today

> > nations are vaccinated

> > with the application of force imposed on them by

> > their governments.

> > Varieties of vaccines are developed every year and

> > used with out any

> > question being asked about their effectiveness or if

> > they are needed at

> > all.

> > Today's forced vaccination is doing more damage to

> > the health of

> > individuals than protecting them against diseases.

> > There is enough data

> > available to prove the inefficiency of today's

> > vaccines and vaccination

> > programs worldwide. According to WHO's 1996 world

> > health report, in 1995

> > alone, 8.9 million people developed Tuberculosis and

> > more than 3 million

> > people died of this disease. The WHO warns that by

> > the end of the last

> > decade of this century about 90 million people will

> > develop TB out of

> > which 30 million will die of this disease.

> > Between 1915-1958, before even the vaccine for

> > Measles was developed,

> > the mortality due to measles was dropped by 95% and

> > today the same WHO

> > warns people that a person vaccinated for measles is

> > 14 times more

> > likely to contract the disease than those not

> > vaccinated. Between

> > 1983-1985 there were a dozen outbreaks of measles in

> > Texas, USA, among

> > junior and senior high school students. 95% of the

> > students had received

> > the measles vaccine, as confirmed by school

> > immunisation records.

> > In 1900-1935 the mortality rate due to Pertussis was

> > dropped by 79% in

> > the USA before even the vaccine diphtheria,

> > pertussis and tetanus (DPT)

> > was developed. In an outbreak of Pertussis in

> > Washington State, USA, out

> > of 162 cases of pertussis, 49% were completely

> > vaccinated. There are

> > worldwide reports to support that the vaccine DPT is

> > strongly linked to

> > sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Sweden

> > altogether stopped Pertussis

> > vaccination. Some reports suggest that in the last

> > 30 years since the

> > vaccine for Mumps, Measles and Rubella has been

> > recommended for

> > children, childhood cancer from a rare occurrence is

> > now reported to be

> > one of the leading cause of death in children under

> > 10 years of age.

> > Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA has

> > identified 34 major side

> > effects with vaccines used against MMR and DPT.

> > The mortality rate in the USA due to Polio in

> > 1923-1953 was dropped by

> > 47% before the polio vaccine was introduced. Dr.

> > Jonas Salk, creator of

> > the killed virus vaccine testified in 1976 that live

> > virus vaccine (the

> > Sabin vaccine introduced in 1962) was the principle,

> > if not the sole

> > cause of polio since 1961. Out of 55 cases of polio

> > reported in the USA

> > in 1980-1985, 51 cases were caused by the vaccine.

> > According to a report from New Zealand published in

> > the New Zealand

> > Journal of Medicine, May 24, 1996, an increase of

> > 60% in

> > insulin-dependent diabetes was noticed following a

> > hepatitis B

> > vaccination program. The USA Food and Drug

> > Administration warns that the

> > Hepatitis B vaccine can cause the autoimmune disease

> > alopecia. Some of

> > the chemical present in the vaccines such as

> > Aluminium, Formaldehyde and

> > Mercury are extremely toxic and are known to cause

> > cancer. Most viruses

> > used for vaccine manufacturing are grown in monkey

> > kidney cells, rabbit

> > liver cells, chicken embryo, horse or calf serum.

> > These vaccines not

> > only contain antigens from the animal tissue, but

> > also have the

> > potential to transmit animal viruses to humans.

> > Dr. Gordon , a noted ish epidemiologist

> > believes that we

> > might be heading down a dangerous path by trying to

> > vaccinate all

> > diseases and infections from the surface of the

> > Earth with out first

> > knowing the long-term effect of challenging our

> > immune system with many

> > bacterial and viral antigens.

> > A report published in the British Medical Journal

> > 1997, indicates that

> > Afghanistan has one of the highest cases of Polio in

> > the world. Probably

> > due to the unfavourable situation for a good

> > epidemiological research in

> > Afghanistan, this research work and data is not very

> > conclusive. This

> > report mentions about the WHO's Polio vaccine

> > program, but not about the

> > Iran's Polio vaccination program in Afghanistan. The

> > authors have

> > concluded that the cause of this epidemic was the

> > poor hygiene and lack

> > of vaccination programs. I think the authors of the

> > article are not

> > aware that Polio vaccine by itself is one of the

> > causes of Poliomyelitis

> > worldwide. The dry hot summer and cold winter

> > temperatures and also the

> > scattered population of Afghan land act as a barrier

> > for the spreading

> > of this virus. There is enough information available

> > to prove that

> > environmental conditions such as high and low

> > temperatures, sand and

> > snow storms, humidity and dryness not only reduces

> > the effectiveness of

> > Polio vaccine it, can even make it completely

> > inactive. In an outbreak

> >

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The youngest of my 3 kids is the only one to get the chicken pox vaccine. The

older two got chicken pox, the same way most of us did as children. I am against

the chicken pox vaccine. I don't feel it is necessary and already know 3 kids

who had it then got chicken pox anyway.

All my kids have had all of their immunizations. My son seemed to be a perfectly

normal baby, but by his first birthday, he had stopped trying to talk and didn't

start again until he was 4. Two months before his 8th birthday he was diagnosed

with autism.

I know the link between vaccines and autism is controversial at best and there

is no solid, hard core evidence of that link yet. But, based on my own

experience with my own child, I do believe there is some substance to the link

between vaccines and autism. Now that my son is 23, he feels very much the same

as I do. It would be interesting to get a doctor's perspective on this possible

link, not that I haven't already done that. But some of the doctors who join us

here on cures for cancer may have a different perspective than traditional " everything

by the government's book " doctors.

Just my opinion!

Blessings,

Dr Wolski <privet012002@...> wrote: This

is a great vaccine. now only will it prevent

chicken pox, but it will probably prevent shingles

later in life.

--- robert-blau@... wrote:

> Posted by: " Dr Wolski " privet012002@...

> privet012002

> Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:33 pm ((PST))

> We should all go back and learn about the polio

> epidemics of the early

> 50's Iron lung anyone? If we stopped vaccinating

> for polio,

> there will eventually be another polio outbreak.

> people dying or being

> paralyzed. Only when the polio vaccine came about

> did epidemics stop in

> America, why go back to that?

> ____________

> The situation may be more complicated than simply

> the lack and presence

> of the polio vaccine. I've read on a number of

> occasions that a number

> of factors (including public health issues) may have

> been involved in

> the rise and subsequent " disappearance " of polio.

> There may be

> approaches other than vaccination available; also,

> the choice of the

> TYPE of vaccine may make a big difference in regard

> to some of the

> vaccine problems cited. 's (as always

> excellent) article

> (reprinted below) may shine some light on some of

> these the issues. They

> have been discussed elswhere, too.

>

> P.S. Also, with all due respect, Dr. Wolski. be

> careful with the

> potential post hoc fallacy inherent in your comments

> above.

>

> Re: I don't agree with vaccinations.........

> Posted by: " VGammill "

> vgammill@... Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:11

> pm ((PST))

> Vaccination and its Devastating Effects on Human

> Health with Respect to

> Afghanistan

> by Syed Toora, (Ph.D - Microbiology)

> and Hamideh Saba (MD)

> The process of vaccination existed for millions of

> years, as now we know

> that there are thousands of beneficial and harmless

> micro-organisms with

> similar antigenic character as that of pathogenic

> organisms. Exposure to

> such organisms immunises humans and animals against

> the harmful

> micro-organisms. Prior to Jenner's discovery

> of vaccine, the

> human mortality even with simple infections was very

> high due to the

> lack of understanding about the cause of the

> diseases. Immunisation

> through vaccination created lots of interest and

> hope in the minds and

> hearts of many researchers and scientists by helping

> them to use this

> technology for the prevention of diseases and

> reducing human suffering.

> Unfortunately this policy did not survive for long

> and took another

> direction when the world's major companies took

> control of vaccine

> manufacturing and vaccination policies. Today

> nations are vaccinated

> with the application of force imposed on them by

> their governments.

> Varieties of vaccines are developed every year and

> used with out any

> question being asked about their effectiveness or if

> they are needed at

> all.

> Today's forced vaccination is doing more damage to

> the health of

> individuals than protecting them against diseases.

> There is enough data

> available to prove the inefficiency of today's

> vaccines and vaccination

> programs worldwide. According to WHO's 1996 world

> health report, in 1995

> alone, 8.9 million people developed Tuberculosis and

> more than 3 million

> people died of this disease. The WHO warns that by

> the end of the last

> decade of this century about 90 million people will

> develop TB out of

> which 30 million will die of this disease.

> Between 1915-1958, before even the vaccine for

> Measles was developed,

> the mortality due to measles was dropped by 95% and

> today the same WHO

> warns people that a person vaccinated for measles is

> 14 times more

> likely to contract the disease than those not

> vaccinated. Between

> 1983-1985 there were a dozen outbreaks of measles in

> Texas, USA, among

> junior and senior high school students. 95% of the

> students had received

> the measles vaccine, as confirmed by school

> immunisation records.

> In 1900-1935 the mortality rate due to Pertussis was

> dropped by 79% in

> the USA before even the vaccine diphtheria,

> pertussis and tetanus (DPT)

> was developed. In an outbreak of Pertussis in

> Washington State, USA, out

> of 162 cases of pertussis, 49% were completely

> vaccinated. There are

> worldwide reports to support that the vaccine DPT is

> strongly linked to

> sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Sweden

> altogether stopped Pertussis

> vaccination. Some reports suggest that in the last

> 30 years since the

> vaccine for Mumps, Measles and Rubella has been

> recommended for

> children, childhood cancer from a rare occurrence is

> now reported to be

> one of the leading cause of death in children under

> 10 years of age.

> Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA has

> identified 34 major side

> effects with vaccines used against MMR and DPT.

> The mortality rate in the USA due to Polio in

> 1923-1953 was dropped by

> 47% before the polio vaccine was introduced. Dr.

> Jonas Salk, creator of

> the killed virus vaccine testified in 1976 that live

> virus vaccine (the

> Sabin vaccine introduced in 1962) was the principle,

> if not the sole

> cause of polio since 1961. Out of 55 cases of polio

> reported in the USA

> in 1980-1985, 51 cases were caused by the vaccine.

> According to a report from New Zealand published in

> the New Zealand

> Journal of Medicine, May 24, 1996, an increase of

> 60% in

> insulin-dependent diabetes was noticed following a

> hepatitis B

> vaccination program. The USA Food and Drug

> Administration warns that the

> Hepatitis B vaccine can cause the autoimmune disease

> alopecia. Some of

> the chemical present in the vaccines such as

> Aluminium, Formaldehyde and

> Mercury are extremely toxic and are known to cause

> cancer. Most viruses

> used for vaccine manufacturing are grown in monkey

> kidney cells, rabbit

> liver cells, chicken embryo, horse or calf serum.

> These vaccines not

> only contain antigens from the animal tissue, but

> also have the

> potential to transmit animal viruses to humans.

> Dr. Gordon , a noted ish epidemiologist

> believes that we

> might be heading down a dangerous path by trying to

> vaccinate all

> diseases and infections from the surface of the

> Earth with out first

> knowing the long-term effect of challenging our

> immune system with many

> bacterial and viral antigens.

> A report published in the British Medical Journal

> 1997, indicates that

> Afghanistan has one of the highest cases of Polio in

> the world. Probably

> due to the unfavourable situation for a good

> epidemiological research in

> Afghanistan, this research work and data is not very

> conclusive. This

> report mentions about the WHO's Polio vaccine

> program, but not about the

> Iran's Polio vaccination program in Afghanistan. The

> authors have

> concluded that the cause of this epidemic was the

> poor hygiene and lack

> of vaccination programs. I think the authors of the

> article are not

> aware that Polio vaccine by itself is one of the

> causes of Poliomyelitis

> worldwide. The dry hot summer and cold winter

> temperatures and also the

> scattered population of Afghan land act as a barrier

> for the spreading

> of this virus. There is enough information available

> to prove that

> environmental conditions such as high and low

> temperatures, sand and

> snow storms, humidity and dryness not only reduces

> the effectiveness of

> Polio vaccine it, can even make it completely

> inactive. In an outbreak

>

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Chicken pox vaccine has two benefits. One is to

prevent a chicken pox outbreak. Sometimes Chicken

Pox can cause swevere harm, even death. Most of the

time is does not. Other benefit is to prevent

Shingles or Herpes Zoster. Zoster can be very nasty.

--- Judkins <msfitnes01@...> wrote:

> The youngest of my 3 kids is the only one to get the

> chicken pox vaccine. The older two got chicken pox,

> the same way most of us did as children. I am

> against the chicken pox vaccine. I don't feel it is

> necessary and already know 3 kids who had it then

> got chicken pox anyway.

>

> All my kids have had all of their immunizations. My

> son seemed to be a perfectly normal baby, but by his

> first birthday, he had stopped trying to talk and

> didn't start again until he was 4. Two months before

> his 8th birthday he was diagnosed with autism.

>

> I know the link between vaccines and autism is

> controversial at best and there is no solid, hard

> core evidence of that link yet. But, based on my own

> experience with my own child, I do believe there is

> some substance to the link between vaccines and

> autism. Now that my son is 23, he feels very much

> the same as I do. It would be interesting to get a

> doctor's perspective on this possible link, not that

> I haven't already done that. But some of the doctors

> who join us here on cures for cancer may have a different

> perspective than traditional " everything by the

> government's book " doctors.

>

> Just my opinion!

> Blessings,

>

> Dr Wolski <privet012002@...> wrote:

> This is a great vaccine. now

> only will it prevent

> chicken pox, but it will probably prevent shingles

> later in life.

>

> --- robert-blau@... wrote:

>

> > Posted by: " Dr Wolski " privet012002@...

> > privet012002

> > Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:33 pm ((PST))

> > We should all go back and learn about the polio

> > epidemics of the early

> > 50's Iron lung anyone? If we stopped

> vaccinating

> > for polio,

> > there will eventually be another polio outbreak.

> > people dying or being

> > paralyzed. Only when the polio vaccine came about

> > did epidemics stop in

> > America, why go back to that?

> > ____________

> > The situation may be more complicated than simply

> > the lack and presence

> > of the polio vaccine. I've read on a number of

> > occasions that a number

> > of factors (including public health issues) may

> have

> > been involved in

> > the rise and subsequent " disappearance " of polio.

> > There may be

> > approaches other than vaccination available;

> also,

> > the choice of the

> > TYPE of vaccine may make a big difference in

> regard

> > to some of the

> > vaccine problems cited. 's (as always

> > excellent) article

> > (reprinted below) may shine some light on some of

> > these the issues. They

> > have been discussed elswhere, too.

> >

> > P.S. Also, with all due respect, Dr. Wolski. be

> > careful with the

> > potential post hoc fallacy inherent in your

> comments

> > above.

> >

> > Re: I don't agree with vaccinations.........

> > Posted by: " VGammill "

> > vgammill@... Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007

> 4:11

> > pm ((PST))

> > Vaccination and its Devastating Effects on Human

> > Health with Respect to

> > Afghanistan

> > by Syed Toora, (Ph.D - Microbiology)

> > and Hamideh Saba (MD)

> > The process of vaccination existed for millions

> of

> > years, as now we know

> > that there are thousands of beneficial and

> harmless

> > micro-organisms with

> > similar antigenic character as that of pathogenic

> > organisms. Exposure to

> > such organisms immunises humans and animals

> against

> > the harmful

> > micro-organisms. Prior to Jenner's

> discovery

> > of vaccine, the

> > human mortality even with simple infections was

> very

> > high due to the

> > lack of understanding about the cause of the

> > diseases. Immunisation

> > through vaccination created lots of interest and

> > hope in the minds and

> > hearts of many researchers and scientists by

> helping

> > them to use this

> > technology for the prevention of diseases and

> > reducing human suffering.

> > Unfortunately this policy did not survive for

> long

> > and took another

> > direction when the world's major companies took

> > control of vaccine

> > manufacturing and vaccination policies. Today

> > nations are vaccinated

> > with the application of force imposed on them by

> > their governments.

> > Varieties of vaccines are developed every year

> and

> > used with out any

> > question being asked about their effectiveness or

> if

> > they are needed at

> > all.

> > Today's forced vaccination is doing more damage

> to

> > the health of

> > individuals than protecting them against

> diseases.

> > There is enough data

> > available to prove the inefficiency of today's

> > vaccines and vaccination

> > programs worldwide. According to WHO's 1996 world

> > health report, in 1995

> > alone, 8.9 million people developed Tuberculosis

> and

> > more than 3 million

> > people died of this disease. The WHO warns that

> by

> > the end of the last

> > decade of this century about 90 million people

> will

> > develop TB out of

> > which 30 million will die of this disease.

> > Between 1915-1958, before even the vaccine for

> > Measles was developed,

> > the mortality due to measles was dropped by 95%

> and

> > today the same WHO

> > warns people that a person vaccinated for measles

> is

> > 14 times more

> > likely to contract the disease than those not

> > vaccinated. Between

> > 1983-1985 there were a dozen outbreaks of measles

> in

> > Texas, USA, among

> > junior and senior high school students. 95% of

> the

> > students had received

> > the measles vaccine, as confirmed by school

> > immunisation records.

> > In 1900-1935 the mortality rate due to Pertussis

> was

> > dropped by 79% in

> > the USA before even the vaccine diphtheria,

> > pertussis and tetanus (DPT)

> > was developed. In an outbreak of Pertussis in

> > Washington State, USA, out

> > of 162 cases of pertussis, 49% were completely

> > vaccinated. There are

> > worldwide reports to support that the vaccine DPT

> is

> > strongly linked to

> > sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Sweden

> > altogether stopped Pertussis

> > vaccination. Some reports suggest that in the

> last

> > 30 years since the

> > vaccine for Mumps, Measles and Rubella has been

> > recommended for

> > children, childhood cancer from a rare occurrence

> is

> > now reported to be

> > one of the leading cause of death in children

> under

> > 10 years of age.

> > Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA has

> > identified 34 major side

> > effects with vaccines used against MMR and DPT.

> > The mortality rate in the USA due to Polio in

> > 1923-1953 was dropped by

> > 47% before the polio vaccine was introduced. Dr.

> > Jonas Salk, creator of

> > the killed virus vaccine testified in 1976 that

> live

>

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In a message dated 1/31/07 3:05:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,

msfitnes01@... writes:

> I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my son was little, as he had

> chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his ears before he was 10

Did you breast feed?

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In a message dated 1/31/07 2:25:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

msfitnes01@... writes:

> I am against the chicken pox vaccine. I don't feel it is necessary and

> already know 3 kids who had it then got chicken pox anyway.

>

If it is anything like the canine vaccines, they too can give the illness,

not only to the dog being vaccinated but to other dogs he comes in contact with.

[Guest guest]

I know chicken pox is very dangerous in adults. I know people who have had

shingles and who still have (and always will) the Herpes Zoster, to include my

own sister. I guess you have to take the risks to get the benefits and the

benefits are actually much greater that the risk. That is why I did get my kids

vaccinated, even my youngest, 11 years after my oldest was diagnosed with

autism. It is when you become a victim of the minor risks that you start

questioning the real need to jeopardize your children's health. I am very

opinionated sometimes and mean no offense to anyone! But then I've had more than

my fair share of tragedies (my cancer, my son's autism, my daughter's

sacro-coccygeal teratoma tumor, and I could go on for another two pages!).

Thanks for your additional info on the chicken pox vaccine. To the other

extreme, I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my son was little, as he

had chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his ears before he was 10. It is

my understanding that the menegitis vaccine (chemo brain can't recall the name

of it right now) prevents or greatly reduces the occurrences of chronic otitis

media. If it had been available to us back then it may have spared us that

nightmare!

Brightest Blessings,

Dr Wolski <privet012002@...> wrote:

Chicken pox vaccine has two benefits. One is to

prevent a chicken pox outbreak. Sometimes Chicken

Pox can cause swevere harm, even death. Most of the

time is does not. Other benefit is to prevent

Shingles or Herpes Zoster. Zoster can be very nasty.

--- Judkins <msfitnes01@...> wrote:

> The youngest of my 3 kids is the only one to get the

> chicken pox vaccine. The older two got chicken pox,

> the same way most of us did as children. I am

> against the chicken pox vaccine. I don't feel it is

> necessary and already know 3 kids who had it then

> got chicken pox anyway.

>

> All my kids have had all of their immunizations. My

> son seemed to be a perfectly normal baby, but by his

> first birthday, he had stopped trying to talk and

> didn't start again until he was 4. Two months before

> his 8th birthday he was diagnosed with autism.

>

> I know the link between vaccines and autism is

> controversial at best and there is no solid, hard

> core evidence of that link yet. But, based on my own

> experience with my own child, I do believe there is

> some substance to the link between vaccines and

> autism. Now that my son is 23, he feels very much

> the same as I do. It would be interesting to get a

> doctor's perspective on this possible link, not that

> I haven't already done that. But some of the doctors

> who join us here on cures for cancer may have a different

> perspective than traditional " everything by the

> government's book " doctors.

>

> Just my opinion!

> Blessings,

>

> Dr Wolski <privet012002@...> wrote:

> This is a great vaccine. now

> only will it prevent

> chicken pox, but it will probably prevent shingles

> later in life.

>

> --- robert-blau@... wrote:

>

> > Posted by: " Dr Wolski " privet012002@...

> > privet012002

> > Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:33 pm ((PST))

> > We should all go back and learn about the polio

> > epidemics of the early

> > 50's Iron lung anyone? If we stopped

> vaccinating

> > for polio,

> > there will eventually be another polio outbreak.

> > people dying or being

> > paralyzed. Only when the polio vaccine came about

> > did epidemics stop in

> > America, why go back to that?

> > ____________

> > The situation may be more complicated than simply

> > the lack and presence

> > of the polio vaccine. I've read on a number of

> > occasions that a number

> > of factors (including public health issues) may

> have

> > been involved in

> > the rise and subsequent " disappearance " of polio.

> > There may be

> > approaches other than vaccination available;

> also,

> > the choice of the

> > TYPE of vaccine may make a big difference in

> regard

> > to some of the

> > vaccine problems cited. 's (as always

> > excellent) article

> > (reprinted below) may shine some light on some of

> > these the issues. They

> > have been discussed elswhere, too.

> >

> > P.S. Also, with all due respect, Dr. Wolski. be

> > careful with the

> > potential post hoc fallacy inherent in your

> comments

> > above.

> >

> > Re: I don't agree with vaccinations.........

> > Posted by: " VGammill "

> > vgammill@... Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007

> 4:11

> > pm ((PST))

> > Vaccination and its Devastating Effects on Human

> > Health with Respect to

> > Afghanistan

> > by Syed Toora, (Ph.D - Microbiology)

> > and Hamideh Saba (MD)

> > The process of vaccination existed for millions

> of

> > years, as now we know

> > that there are thousands of beneficial and

> harmless

> > micro-organisms with

> > similar antigenic character as that of pathogenic

> > organisms. Exposure to

> > such organisms immunises humans and animals

> against

> > the harmful

> > micro-organisms. Prior to Jenner's

> discovery

> > of vaccine, the

> > human mortality even with simple infections was

> very

> > high due to the

> > lack of understanding about the cause of the

> > diseases. Immunisation

> > through vaccination created lots of interest and

> > hope in the minds and

> > hearts of many researchers and scientists by

> helping

> > them to use this

> > technology for the prevention of diseases and

> > reducing human suffering.

> > Unfortunately this policy did not survive for

> long

> > and took another

> > direction when the world's major companies took

> > control of vaccine

> > manufacturing and vaccination policies. Today

> > nations are vaccinated

> > with the application of force imposed on them by

> > their governments.

> > Varieties of vaccines are developed every year

> and

> > used with out any

> > question being asked about their effectiveness or

> if

> > they are needed at

> > all.

> > Today's forced vaccination is doing more damage

> to

> > the health of

> > individuals than protecting them against

> diseases.

> > There is enough data

> > available to prove the inefficiency of today's

> > vaccines and vaccination

> > programs worldwide. According to WHO's 1996 world

> > health report, in 1995

> > alone, 8.9 million people developed Tuberculosis

> and

> > more than 3 million

> > people died of this disease. The WHO warns that

> by

> > the end of the last

> > decade of this century about 90 million people

> will

> > develop TB out of

> > which 30 million will die of this disease.

> > Between 1915-1958, before even the vaccine for

> > Measles was developed,

> > the mortality due to measles was dropped by 95%

> and

> > today the same WHO

> > warns people that a person vaccinated for measles

> is

> > 14 times more

> > likely to contract the disease than those not

> > vaccinated. Between

> > 1983-1985 there were a dozen outbreaks of measles

> in

> > Texas, USA, among

> > junior and senior high school students. 95% of

> the

> > students had received

> > the measles vaccine, as confirmed by school

> > immunisation records.

> > In 1900-1935 the mortality rate due to Pertussis

> was

> > dropped by 79% in

> > the USA before even the vaccine diphtheria,

> > pertussis and tetanus (DPT)

> > was developed. In an outbreak of Pertussis in

> > Washington State, USA, out

> > of 162 cases of pertussis, 49% were completely

> > vaccinated. There are

> > worldwide reports to support that the vaccine DPT

> is

> > strongly linked to

> > sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Sweden

> > altogether stopped Pertussis

> > vaccination. Some reports suggest that in the

> last

> > 30 years since the

> > vaccine for Mumps, Measles and Rubella has been

> > recommended for

> > children, childhood cancer from a rare occurrence

> is

> > now reported to be

> > one of the leading cause of death in children

> under

> > 10 years of age.

> > Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA has

> > identified 34 major side

> > effects with vaccines used against MMR and DPT.

> > The mortality rate in the USA due to Polio in

> > 1923-1953 was dropped by

> > 47% before the polio vaccine was introduced. Dr.

> > Jonas Salk, creator of

> > the killed virus vaccine testified in 1976 that

> live

>

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In a message dated 1/31/07 10:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kathiegrantrn@... writes:

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> > son was little, as he had

> > > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> > ears before he was 10

> >

> > Did you breast feed?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, sometimes the chicken pox can kill too. Would be

tragic when there is a vaccine. Plus, once you have

chicken pox, you may get shingles later in life. I

had shingles, it was miserabe.

--- szukidavis@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/31/07 2:25:52 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> msfitnes01@... writes:

>

>

> > I am against the chicken pox vaccine. I don't feel

> it is necessary and

> > already know 3 kids who had it then got chicken

> pox anyway.

> >

>

> If it is anything like the canine vaccines, they too

> can give the illness,

> not only to the dog being vaccinated but to other

> dogs he comes in contact with.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You wrote:

> msfitnes01@... writes:

>

>

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> son was little, as he had

> > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> ears before he was 10

>

> Did you breast feed?

>

>

>My reply: the meningitis vaccine has nothing to do

with helping your son's ear infections! (AAP has been

recommending NOT antibx treatment, as most ear

problems resolve in 2 days any way.)

very painful thou, I realize. the pain is usually

caused by sinus fluids draining down the throat and

backing up into the eustacians tubes which lead to the

middle ear.

How do you know it was not yeast?

>

>

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The meningitis vaccine in important because it may

prevent deaths.

--- kathie grant <kathiegrantrn@...> wrote:

>

> You wrote:

> > msfitnes01@... writes:

> >

> >

> > > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> > son was little, as he had

> > > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> > ears before he was 10

> >

> > Did you breast feed?

> >

> >

> >My reply: the meningitis vaccine has nothing to do

> with helping your son's ear infections! (AAP has

> been

> recommending NOT antibx treatment, as most ear

> problems resolve in 2 days any way.)

>

> very painful thou, I realize. the pain is usually

> caused by sinus fluids draining down the throat and

> backing up into the eustacians tubes which lead to

> the

> middle ear.

>

> How do you know it was not yeast?

> >

> >

>

>

> " Consensus is the absence of leadership " ~ Madeleine

> Korbel Albright

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 2/1/07 11:22:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

privet012002@... writes:

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> > > son was little, as he had

> > > > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> > > ears before he was 10

> > >

> > > Did you breast feed?

>

Why can't I get an answer to my twice asked question?

Statistically, babies that are nursed have much fewer problems with ear

infections. Much safer than a vaccine.

[Guest guest]

My sons are now 36 and 40. I nursed both of them. They both had frequent

serious throat infections and some ear infections as I remember.

Margaret

Re: Now we have chicken pox vaccine too

In a message dated 2/1/07 11:22:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

privet012002@... writes:

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> > > son was little, as he had

> > > > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> > > ears before he was 10

> > >

> > > Did you breast feed?

>

Why can't I get an answer to my twice asked question?

Statistically, babies that are nursed have much fewer problems with ear

infections. Much safer than a vaccine.

[Guest guest]

That sounds logical to me about babies who are breast-fed having less

incidence of ear infections than formula-fed babies. Makes good sense.

I take cow colostrum twice a day. It appears possible that babies who

are formula-fed and who receive cow colostrum along with the formula

might fare as well as breast-fed babies, or at least significantly

better than babies who are fed formula without colostrum.

[Guest guest]

THis might be adding fuel to the fire and that is NOT my intent. Both of my

kids where nursed full time. Neither evan had a supplement bottle until after

age when when they started on whole milk. Anyways my point is. My daughter

didn't have the prevnar and had at least 10 ear infections her first year.

Because of the we got the Prevnar for my son who never had one ear infection.

Was this just a fluke. Could very well be but I don't think the Prevnar hurt

him either. However it is more than likely just the way there where going to

be. She was going to get ear infections and he wasn't. Just my 2 cents.

Sara

Re: Now we have chicken pox vaccine too

In a message dated 2/1/07 11:22:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

privet012002@... writes:

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> > > son was little, as he had

> > > > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> > > ears before he was 10

> > >

> > > Did you breast feed?

>

Why can't I get an answer to my twice asked question?

Statistically, babies that are nursed have much fewer problems with ear

infections. Much safer than a vaccine.

[Guest guest]

How do you compare one child to another, like an

orange to an apple!

Statistacilly as a group (family) you might be able to

make a statement such as, " our family has had fewer

incidences of (fill in the blank) than the typical

family "

Your child could also have had 2-3x the occurances if

you had NOT breastfed!

No way to confirm without parallel universes! (anyone

have a confirmation/idea on parallel universes?)

Are we neglecting to give credit to the yeast syndrome

for the causative factor in most children's

ear/nose/tthroat problems? Dr. Crooks

http://www.yeastconnection.com/

Kathie

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Yes, I breast fed all of my kids. My son still had chronic bilateral otitis

media. He was sick every other week. They put tubes in his ears at age 4. The

tubes should have come out by themselves after about a year. But after 5 years,

he had another surgery to remove the tubes. By that time he had a permanent hole

in one of his ear drums. So he had another surgery to patch the hole. All this

before he was 10 years old.

I do believe that the very best thing a mother can do for her infant is to

breast feed. They can't get that kind of nutrition or immune system defense

(until they are vaccinated!) from any other source. After we got J's ears all

fixed up, he never gets sick. He is 23 y.o. now. My 14 y.o. daughter has been

sick only a very few times. My 6 y.o., born with a sacrococcygeal teratoma tumor

and having a surgery at 3 days old, has never been sick since then. She is on

her third year of perfect attendance at school. There is much to be said for

breast feeding. Unfortunately, for my son, it didn't prevent him from getting

the ear infections.

Blessings,

Margaret L <booldawgs@...> wrote:

My sons are now 36 and 40. I nursed both of them. They both had frequent

serious throat infections and some ear infections as I remember.

Margaret

Re: Now we have chicken pox vaccine too

In a message dated 2/1/07 11:22:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

privet012002@... writes:

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> > > son was little, as he had

> > > > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> > > ears before he was 10

> > >

> > > Did you breast feed?

>

Why can't I get an answer to my twice asked question?

Statistically, babies that are nursed have much fewer problems with ear

infections. Much safer than a vaccine.

[Guest guest]

Kathie,

My son is autistic. I have been a metabolic nutrition consultant for 14 years. I

bought Dr. Crook's " Yeast Connection Handbook " about 10 years ago. I use it all

the time in my work and recommend it often. I applaud you for recommending it

too. It is a wonderful book and an invaluable resource. My son's ear infections

were chronic and severe. I realize children get minor ear infections. Because of

my experience though, I'm always the first to recommend a doctor when a child

has any ear infection. Once bitten, twice shy, so to speak.

Brightest Blessings,

kathie grant <kathiegrantrn@...> wrote:

You wrote:

> msfitnes01@... writes:

>

>

> > I wish they had that menengitis vaccine when my

> son was little, as he had

> > chronic ear infections, with 3 surgeries on his

> ears before he was 10

>

> Did you breast feed?

>

>

>My reply: the meningitis vaccine has nothing to do

with helping your son's ear infections! (AAP has been

recommending NOT antibx treatment, as most ear

problems resolve in 2 days any way.)

very painful thou, I realize. the pain is usually

caused by sinus fluids draining down the throat and

backing up into the eustacians tubes which lead to the

middle ear.

How do you know it was not yeast?

>

>

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