Re: Re: Animal Protein causes cancer

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In a message dated 11/13/2006 3:20:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

One might search on line for the writings of Viljamur Steffanson. He and a

small group of fellow researchers from Harvard spent 11 yrs with the Eskimos

and lived entirely eating their diet. No fruit, no vegtables, no salt. They

ate various meats with plenty of fat. The meat, sometimes eaten frozen and

rotten. No one came down with scurvy. No one became ill if they ate much fat

with their meat. If they ate only lean meat they became ill.

Harvard medical people didn't believe them. So Steffanson and

checked themselves into a hospital for one year eating only the Eskimo diet.

They

were checked daily for bio-insult. No problems. They came out healthy.

So when I hear consensus medicine running off at the mouth about red meat

causing cancer I just reread Steffanson and shake my head.

Do a critical search on and his research. One might be surprised.

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In a message dated 11/13/06 5:47:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Lwayok@...

writes:

> Do a critical search on and his research. One might be surprised.

>

Also..Weston Price.

However, vegetarians do have less disease, longer lives and healthier lives.

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There is absolutely no proof of your assertion....

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In a message dated 11/13/06 7:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

marshnmarsh@... writes:

> Where does it say vegetarians are healthier and live longer?

>

I have read it many times in many places and even posted it to this list.

I am not a vegetarian so I have no beef (ha ha ha) about eating or not eating

meat! When I was a vegetarian for 3 years I was always anemic so I went back

to including meat in my menu.

Just tonight there was a story about a particular type of breast cancer being

of higher incidence among women who eat meat.

Are you saying that of the people you know who have had cancer, they are

mostly vegetarians? I have experienced exactly the opposite.

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Just my personal experience BUT I know more vegetarians that have had cancer

and have died with cancer.

Where does it say vegetarians are healthier and live longer?

Cancer is caused by the failure of the immune system to destroy cancer cells.

Anything that stresses or over works the immune system contributes to cancer

getting a hold and taking over.

In a message dated 11/13/06 5:47:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Lwayok@...

writes:

> Do a critical search on and his research. One might be surprised.

>

Also..Weston Price.

However, vegetarians do have less disease, longer lives and healthier lives.

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--- szukidavis@... wrote:

>

> Just tonight there was a story about a particular

> type of breast cancer being

> of higher incidence among women who eat meat.

~A very good friend of mine who had been a vegetarian

~since was 19yo had breast cancer when she was 42.

~She was treated but she lost her fight in less than

~a year. This was 10 years ago.

~At that same time my neighbor/friend's sister was

~diagnosed with breast cancer, she was also a

~vegetarian. She was treated and 2 years later died

~of ovarian cancer.

~My sister who is not a vegetarian but has not eaten

~red meat in 15 years is a breast cancer survivor.

~My friend's sister-in-law is fighting breast and

~bone cancer right now ............ she was a

~vegetarin for 10 years and now eats some fish and

~chicken.

>

> Are you saying that of the people you know who have

> had cancer, they are

> mostly vegetarians? I have experienced exactly the

> opposite.

>

~~~~No, I'm saying that being a vegetarinan isn't

protecting you from cancer. In my experience, Just as

many people with cancer eat meat as don't.

>

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I was diagnosed with breast cancer in June 06. The doctor asked me about my soy

consumption. It appears that after all of the years of having soy promoted as

preventing cancer it actually causes it. She said to avoid soy completely. SHe

also advised me to not eat meat or vegetables and fruit that are not organically

grown.

All meats are not the same. Grass fed or (even better) organic meat is very.

Most ranchers give their cattle growth hormones, to cause ovulation, and

hormones to increase milk production. I raise cattle and sheep so I have a

healthy meat supply. It is hard to raise livestock that have a healthful diet

unless you can raise all of their feed too.

Margaret

Re: Re: Animal Protein causes cancer.

--- szukidavis@... wrote:

>

> Just tonight there was a story about a particular

> type of breast cancer being

> of higher incidence among women who eat meat.

~A very good friend of mine who had been a vegetarian

~since was 19yo had breast cancer when she was 42.

~She was treated but she lost her fight in less than

~a year. This was 10 years ago.

~At that same time my neighbor/friend's sister was

~diagnosed with breast cancer, she was also a

~vegetarian. She was treated and 2 years later died

~of ovarian cancer.

~My sister who is not a vegetarian but has not eaten

~red meat in 15 years is a breast cancer survivor.

~My friend's sister-in-law is fighting breast and

~bone cancer right now ............ she was a

~vegetarin for 10 years and now eats some fish and

~chicken.

>

> Are you saying that of the people you know who have

> had cancer, they are

> mostly vegetarians? I have experienced exactly the

> opposite.

>

~~~~No, I'm saying that being a vegetarinan isn't

protecting you from cancer. In my experience, Just as

many people with cancer eat meat as don't.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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There are many many studies who prove that red meat causes cancer. This

are two of them.

g.r Kees

Red meat 'linked to cancer risk'

A major study has found fresh evidence of a link between red and processed

meat and bowel cancer, scientists say.

The European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC)

looked at the dietary habits of over 500,000 people across Europe over 10

years. Bowel cancer risk was a third higher for those who regularly ate

over two 80g portions of red or processed meat a day, compared to less

than one a week. EPIC's study is reported in the Journal of the National

Cancer Institute. Since it began, 1,330 people have developed bowel

cancer. The study also found a low fibre diet increased the risk of bowel

cancer. Eating poultry had no impact but the risk for people who ate one

portion or more of fish every other day was nearly a third lower than

those who ate fish less than once a week. Strong evidence Lead researcher

Professor Sheila Bingham, of the MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit in

Cambridge, said: " People have suspected for some time that high levels of

red and processed meat increase risk of bowel cancer, but this is one of

the largest studies worldwide and the first from Europe of this type to

show a strong relationship. " Professor Bingham said there were several

theories about why red meat should increase the risk of bowel cancer. She

believes the most likely explanation is that compounds called haemoglobin

and myoglobin, which are found in red meat, trigger a process called

nitrosation in the gut, which leads to the formation of carcinogenic

compounds. Alternatively, the problem might be caused by compounds called

heterocyclic amines, carcinogenic compounds created in the cooking

process. However, these compounds are also found in poultry, which has not

been linked to an increased cancer risk. Professor Tim Key, of the charity

Cancer Research UK, said: " This study strengthens evidence that bowel

cancer risk can be cut by increasing fibre in the diet and reducing

consumption of red and processed meat. " The researchers defined red meat

as beef, lamb, pork and veal. Processed meat was mostly pork and beef that

were preserved by methods other than freezing. They include ham, bacon,

sausages, liver pate, salami, tinned meat, luncheon meat and corned beef.

The Meat and Livestock Commission (MLC) said people in Britain ate well

below the 160g per day consumption levels that were used to class high

intake in the study. Mike Attenborough, MLC technical director, said:

" Once again this points towards the need for moderation and balance in

what we eat. " The study was funded by the Medical Research Council, Cancer

Research UK and the International Agency for Research on Cancer. BOWEL

CANCER In England and Wales the lifetime risk of being diagnosed with

bowel cancer is 1 in 18 for men and 1 in 20 for women 18,500 cases in men

and over 16,000 cases in women are newly diagnosed each year If the cancer

is caught at an early stage, eight out of 10 cases can be treated BOWEL

CANCER RISK

There are 17 cases per 10,000 50-year-olds a year among the group eating

more than two portions of red meat a day

There are 12 cases per 10,000 50-year-olds a year among the group eating

less than one portion of red meat a week

( bron - BBC news )

By Rauscher ANAHEIM, California (Reuters Health) Apr 20 - A high

intake of red meat and, particularly, processed meat, increases the risk

of pancreatic cancer, suggest results of a large multiethnic study

presented today, the last day of the 96th annual gathering of the American

Association for Cancer Research. The results hint that carcinogenic

substances related to meat processing, such as heterocyclic amines or

polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, rather than the inherent fat or

cholesterol content, might be responsible for the association, Dr. Ute

Nothlings from the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii in Honolulu told

Reuters Health. Meat consumption has been linked to pancreatic cancer in

several case-control studies, but the results have been inconsistent and

prospective data are lacking. Dr. Nothlings and colleagues examined the

relationship between diet and pancreatic cancer in 190,545 men and women

in the Hawaii-Los Angeles Multiethnic Cohort Study of Diet and Cancer. The

subjects included African Americans, Japanese Americans, Caucasians,

Latinos and Native Hawaiians. During an average follow up of 7 years, 482

subjects developed pancreatic cancer. In analyses adjusting for age,

smoking status, history of diabetes, family history of pancreatic cancer

and ethnicity, subjects with the highest intake of processed meat had a

67% increased risk of developing pancreatic cancer compared with those

with the lowest intake of processed meat. A high intake of pork and total

red meat increased the risk of pancreatic cancer by about 50%. " In our

study, red meat and processed meat intake were the most pronounced risk

factors for exocrine pancreatic cancer, associated with a 50% to 70%

increased risk for those consuming the largest amounts, respectively, " Dr.

Nothlings said. Consumption of poultry, fish, dairy products, and eggs did

not influence the overall risk of pancreatic cancer, nor did overall

intake of total fat, saturated fat or cholesterol. " An analysis of fat and

saturated fat intakes showed a significant increase in risk for fats from

meat, but not from dairy products, indicating that fat and saturated fat

are not likely to contribute to the risk of pancreatic cancer, " the team

points out in a meeting abstract. " Due to the large size of the study with

482 cases, this is an important piece of evidence for a reduced intake of

red meat and processed meat as target factors for disease prevention, " Dr.

Nothlings told Reuters Health.

Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 19, 1458-1465,

October 5, 2005 DOI: 10.1093/jnci/dji292

Meat and Fat Intake as Risk Factors for Pancreatic Cancer: The Multiethnic

Cohort Study

Ute Nöthlings, Lynne R. Wilkens, Suzanne P. , H. Hankin,

E. , ce N. Kolonel

Affiliations of authors: Cancer Research Center of Hawaii, Honolulu, HI

(UN, LRW, SPM, JHH, LNK); University of Southern California, Los Angeles,

CA (BEH)

Correspondence to: Ute Nöthlings, DrPH, Cancer Research Center of Hawaii,

University of Hawaii, 1236 Lauhala St., Suite 407, Honolulu, HI 96813

(e-mail: UNothlin@...).

Background: Meat intake has been associated with risk of exocrine

pancreatic cancer, but previous findings have been inconsistent. This

association has been attributed to both the fat and cholesterol content of

meats and to food preparation methods. We analyzed data from the

prospective Multiethnic Cohort Study to investigate associations between

intake of meat, other animal products, fat, and cholesterol and pancreatic

cancer risk.

Methods: During 7 years of follow-up, 482 incident pancreatic cancers

occurred in 190 545 cohort members. Dietary intake was assessed using a

quantitative food frequency questionnaire. Associations for foods and

nutrients relative to total energy intake were determined by

proportional hazards models stratified by gender and time on study and

adjusted for age, smoking status, history of diabetes mellitus and

familial pancreatic cancer, ethnicity, and energy intake. Statistical

tests were two-sided.

Results: The strongest association was with processed meat; those in the

fifth quintile of daily intake (g/1000 kcal) had a 68% increased risk

compared with those in the lowest quintile (relative risk = 1.68, 95%

confidence interval = 1.35 to 2.07; Ptrend<.01). The age-adjusted yearly

incidence rates per 100 000 persons for the respective quintiles were 41.3

and 20.2. Intakes of pork and of total red meat were both associated with

50% increases in risk, comparing the highest with the lowest quintiles

(both Ptrend<.01). There were no associations of pancreatic cancer risk

with intake of poultry, fish, dairy products, eggs, total fat, saturated

fat, or cholesterol. Intake of total and saturated fat from meat was

associated with statistically significant increases in pancreatic cancer

risk but that from dairy products was not.

Conclusion: Red and processed meat intakes were associated with an

increased risk of pancreatic cancer. Fat and saturated fat are not likely

to contribute to the underlying carcinogenic mechanism because the

findings for fat from meat and dairy products differed. Carcinogenic

substances related to meat preparation methods might be responsible for

the positive association.

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> --- szukidavis@... wrote:

>

>>

>> Just tonight there was a story about a particular

>> type of breast cancer being

>> of higher incidence among women who eat meat.

>

> ~A very good friend of mine who had been a vegetarian

> ~since was 19yo had breast cancer when she was 42.

> ~She was treated but she lost her fight in less than

> ~a year. This was 10 years ago.

> ~At that same time my neighbor/friend's sister was

> ~diagnosed with breast cancer, she was also a

> ~vegetarian. She was treated and 2 years later died

> ~of ovarian cancer.

> ~My sister who is not a vegetarian but has not eaten

> ~red meat in 15 years is a breast cancer survivor.

> ~My friend's sister-in-law is fighting breast and

> ~bone cancer right now ............ she was a

> ~vegetarin for 10 years and now eats some fish and

> ~chicken.

>

>>

>> Are you saying that of the people you know who have

>> had cancer, they are

>> mostly vegetarians? I have experienced exactly the

>> opposite.

>>

> ~~~~No, I'm saying that being a vegetarinan isn't

> protecting you from cancer. In my experience, Just as

> many people with cancer eat meat as don't.

>

>>

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> removed]

>>

>>

>

>

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In einer eMail vom 14.11.06 17:32:20 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt

redactie@...:

> There are many many studies who prove that red meat causes cancer. This

> are two of them.

>

> g.r Kees

>

> Red meat 'linked to cancer risk'

>

> A major study has found fresh evidence of a link between red and processed

> meat and bowel cancer, scientists say.

>

>

Dear list members,

the other day an elderly gentleman told me of a lecture where a naturopath

outlined that all animals that eat a great deal of meat have by nature a very

short intestinal tract, so the remnants leave the organism in a short time.

The intestinal tract of humans is much too long to deal with the toxins that

originate from metabolizing meat, they just stay in for too long.

One has seen, in investigations, individuals who even had cadaveric poison

(ptomaine) in their intestines.

So far the lecturer.

Sincerely,

Katharina

www.Auto-Thera.com

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Katharina Gutsche, M.A. Psycholinguistics, Dipl.-Psych.Clinical Psychology,

State Licensured Naturopath (Psychotherapy)

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[Guest guest]

--- redactie@... wrote:

> There are many many studies who prove that red meat

> causes cancer. This

> are two of them.

>

> A major study has found fresh evidence of a link

> between red and processed

> meat and bowel cancer, scientists say.

>

>

~~~~~~First, I said being a vegetarian does not

protect you from getting cancer.

Second, there is no comparison between eating fresh

red meat and eating processed meat. You can't lump

the two together in a study and then separate them to

make your point.

Lastly, I think anyone who eats red meat everyday, let

alone at least twice a day as the study states is

asking for problems.

There is also a difference in your statement " many

studies who PROVE " and the studies statement, " fresh

evidence of a link " .

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What you want ? I just send you some studies which prove that red

meat causes cancer. Go to Pubmed and you will find hundreds of such

studies. Also in the regular oncology is known and admitted that red meat

gives a bigger risk for getting cancer. I don't want discuss whether a

vegetarian get easier cancer or not. Thats a personal and individual

situation.

gr. kees

>

>

> --- redactie@... wrote:

>

>> There are many many studies who prove that red meat

>> causes cancer. This

>> are two of them.

>

>>

>> A major study has found fresh evidence of a link

>> between red and processed

>> meat and bowel cancer, scientists say.

>>

>>

> ~~~~~~First, I said being a vegetarian does not

> protect you from getting cancer.

> Second, there is no comparison between eating fresh

> red meat and eating processed meat. You can't lump

> the two together in a study and then separate them to

> make your point.

> Lastly, I think anyone who eats red meat everyday, let

> alone at least twice a day as the study states is

> asking for problems.

> There is also a difference in your statement " many

> studies who PROVE " and the studies statement, " fresh

> evidence of a link " .

>

>

>

>

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Thema: Re: Re: Animal Protein causes cancer

Datum: 14.11.06

An: cures for cancer

In einer eMail vom 14.11.06 17:32:20 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt

redactie@...:

> There are many many studies who prove that red meat causes cancer. This

> are two  of them.

>

> g.r Kees

>

> Red meat 'linked to cancer risk'

>

> A major study has found fresh evidence of a link between red and processed

> meat and bowel cancer, scientists say.

>

>

Dear list members,

the other day an elderly gentleman told me of a lecture where a naturopath

outlined that all animals that eat a great deal of meat have by nature a very

short intestinal tract, so the remnants leave the organism in a short time.

The intestinal tract of humans is much too long to deal with the toxins that

originate from metabolizing meat, they just stay in for too long.

One has seen, in investigations, individuals who even had cadaveric poison

(ptomaine) in their intestines.

So far the lecturer.

Sincerely,

Katharina

www.Auto-Thera.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Katharina Gutsche, M.A. Psycholinguistics, Dipl.-Psych.Clinical Psychology,

State Licensured Naturopath (Psychotherapy)

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In a message dated 11/15/06 10:02:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

TVA12082208@... writes:

> the other day an elderly gentleman told me of a lecture where a naturopath

> outlined that all animals that eat a great deal of meat have by nature a

> very

> short intestinal tract, so the remnants leave the organism in a short time.

It would seem then that if a person wanted to eat some organic meat in their

diet that they should then combine it with a good amount of fiber, such as

sweet potatoes, pumpkin and other high fiber veggies and grains.

I have read that 2-4 oz of animal protein is about all one should eat in a

day and not more than red meat 2x a week.

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Although the intestinal tract of humans is relatively longer than

that of carnivores, it's useful the note that it's transit time

of the fecal matter, not the length of the bowel, that provokes

toxin load increase and aberrant crypt foci. By increasing fiber

you get less toxin load and less cancer risk.

So, the issue is the low fiber, not the meat and this is

exemplified by research that added inulin, the primary soluble

fiber, which reduced the occurrence of aberrant crypt foci.

Inulin, which is deficient in the diet, also feeds organisms that

feed the bowel lining.

Duncan

On 15 Nov 2006 at 14:05, cures for cancer wrote:

> Re: Animal Protein causes cancer

> Posted by: " TVA12082208@... " TVA12082208@... tva1208

> The intestinal tract of humans is much

> too long to deal with the toxins that originate from metabolizing

> meat, they just stay in for too long.

> Sincerely,

> Katharina

> www.Auto-Thera.com