Re: Don't know what to think!!!!!

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In a message dated 1/5/07 9:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

booldawgs@... writes:

> He had surgery, radiation and chemo

Chemo given in the evening is much more effective than in the daytime but it

is more convenient for the hospital to do it at the worst possible time for

any effectiveness.

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perhaps her type of cancer does not respond to

chemo..just a thought...it could be she does not want

to take chemo. need more info in order to give an

educated answer. however, there are some types of

cancer that do not respond to chemo.

jenny

--- valkorxxx <valkorxxx@...> wrote:

> I do not know how to start this, so, I'm just going

> to put it out

> there. My aunt, , passed from skin cancer a few

> years ago. I

> saw her frequently as her illness got worse and

> worse for her (she

> had both chemo and radiation). I kissed her on her

> head two days

> before her death and it was like kissing a baby

> bird. She was so

> thin, bone thin, and was just so exhausted. I have

> three children.

> My eldest daughter (age 16) has a step mother who

> has beat breast

> cancer (so far) and I saw her as well through her

> treatments (both

> chemo and radiation). She gained weight, lost her

> hair, was red and

> puffy, went through surgeries (which is dangerous

> per infections) and

> to this day, she works a full time job plus a part

> time job. Right

> from the onset, she decided to include her younger

> child (age 9) in

> all the treatments and doctor visits. Here is what

> I don't

> understand. Anyone can answer. My youngest two

> children also have a

> step mother who has cancer. She had her lymphnoids

> removed, they

> found 12 spots on her lungs, went through radiation

> (in the hospital

> where everything was covered with plastic), then

> they found 2 or 3

> spots on her lungs, she takes a radiation pill every

> month, (does not

> do chemo), and now claims it is in her blood stream.

> She has never

> lost her hair ofcourse, did have burn marks on her

> back from the

> radiation, works third shift as an LNA, and has a

> three year old

> son. If her cancer is in her blood stream, (and the

> first onset of

> her cancer was three years ago after the birth of

> her son..??)

> shouldn't she be going through chemo, too? Wouldn't

> her doctors'

> advice this? If you have cancer, you want all the

> possible

> treatments available, woulnd't you? Please do not

> get me wrong with

> what I am going to say next....but, if it is in her

> bloodstream as

> she claims, would she still be able to work, and

> look as pretty as

> ever, and why doesn't she have chemo? I do not want

> to say that she

> is lying about her cancer, yet, after three years

> she looks and acts

> no different (she and the kids' father kept her

> cancer a secret for

> months before they told anyone). Does this sound

> weird to anyone???

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My father died from pancreatic cancer in 1969. He had surgery, radiation and

chemo and died within a year. It was awful. He was like a living skeleton at

his death.

I was diagnosed with breast cancer (DCIS) in June '06. I had a lumpectomy and

was set-up for 5 weeks or radiation. I opted not to take the radiation and

chose to take a different route. I have changed my diet and exercise routine. I

am taking many supplements and monitoring my health with a naturopathic doctor.

I was never ill and never looked any different at all. LOL, I suspect that some

people, including a few in-laws, suspect that I had nothing at all.

I am not sure what plastic coverings have to do with radiation. I do not know

what a " radiation " pill is. Radiation goes through anything but lead. There

are targeted methods of giving radiation by seeding the cancerous or former

cancerous area but it is a very specialized procedure.

Just my $.02

Margaret

Don't know what to think!!!!!

I do not know how to start this, so, I'm just going to put it out

there. My aunt, , passed from skin cancer a few years ago. I

saw her frequently as her illness got worse and worse for her (she

had both chemo and radiation). I kissed her on her head two days

before her death and it was like kissing a baby bird. She was so

thin, bone thin, and was just so exhausted. I have three children.

My eldest daughter (age 16) has a step mother who has beat breast

cancer (so far) and I saw her as well through her treatments (both

chemo and radiation). She gained weight, lost her hair, was red and

puffy, went through surgeries (which is dangerous per infections) and

to this day, she works a full time job plus a part time job. Right

from the onset, she decided to include her younger child (age 9) in

all the treatments and doctor visits. Here is what I don't

understand. Anyone can answer. My youngest two children also have a

step mother who has cancer. She had her lymphnoids removed, they

found 12 spots on her lungs, went through radiation (in the hospital

where everything was covered with plastic), then they found 2 or 3

spots on her lungs, she takes a radiation pill every month, (does not

do chemo), and now claims it is in her blood stream. She has never

lost her hair ofcourse, did have burn marks on her back from the

radiation, works third shift as an LNA, and has a three year old

son. If her cancer is in her blood stream, (and the first onset of

her cancer was three years ago after the birth of her son..??)

shouldn't she be going through chemo, too? Wouldn't her doctors'

advice this? If you have cancer, you want all the possible

treatments available, woulnd't you? Please do not get me wrong with

what I am going to say next....but, if it is in her bloodstream as

she claims, would she still be able to work, and look as pretty as

ever, and why doesn't she have chemo? I do not want to say that she

is lying about her cancer, yet, after three years she looks and acts

no different (she and the kids' father kept her cancer a secret for

months before they told anyone). Does this sound weird to anyone???

[Guest guest]

Valkorxxx,

Your message sounds so excited and so upset. I don't know if that is

the case, but that's the way it comes across. I will answer this

particular question:

" If you have cancer, you want all the possible treatments available,

woulnd't you? "

No offense, but it appears you are very naive about mainstream cancer

treatment. Most cancer treatment is ultra-poisonous, ultra-

carcinogenic and very harmful to the body's healthy, non-cancerous

tissues. So the WORST thing a person with cancer can do is to go to

the oncologist and the radiologist and the surgeon and say, " Yikes!

I've got CANCER! Give me everything ya got to give me, doc! "

On the contrary, when one is dx'd with cancer, it is BEST by far to

be able to do WITHOUT ANY mainstream treatment, if possible. But IF

one needs mainstream treatment, then the BEST thing to do is to get

JUST ENOUGH to accomplish whatever needs to be accomplished---whether

that means a cure or whether it means getting the cancer to stop

growing.

With regard to the other stuff about the woman " who has cancer in her

blood, " etc, I understand and empathize with your concern, since this

is the step-mom of two of your children, but I very much doubt anyone

can help answer your questions. None of us is a doctor, and even if

one of us was, it would be impossible to advise you of anything

definite. You do not even say what kind of cancer it is. " Cancer in

the blood " is generally leukemia. But lung cancer or some solid

cancer would not get " into the blood. "

There is very likely little you can do except to watch and see what

goes down with this step-mom. She will, I have little doubt, handle

things the way she wants to.

>

> I do not know how to start this, so, I'm just going to put it out

> there. My aunt, , passed from skin cancer a few years ago. I

> saw her frequently as her illness got worse and worse for her (she

> had both chemo and radiation). I kissed her on her head two days

> before her death and it was like kissing a baby bird. She was so

> thin, bone thin, and was just so exhausted. I have three

children.

> My eldest daughter (age 16) has a step mother who has beat breast

> cancer (so far) and I saw her as well through her treatments (both

> chemo and radiation). She gained weight, lost her hair, was red

and

> puffy, went through surgeries (which is dangerous per infections)

and

> to this day, she works a full time job plus a part time job. Right

> from the onset, she decided to include her younger child (age 9) in

> all the treatments and doctor visits. Here is what I don't

> understand. Anyone can answer. My youngest two children also have

a

> step mother who has cancer. She had her lymphnoids removed, they

> found 12 spots on her lungs, went through radiation (in the

hospital

> where everything was covered with plastic), then they found 2 or 3

> spots on her lungs, she takes a radiation pill every month, (does

not

> do chemo), and now claims it is in her blood stream. She has never

> lost her hair ofcourse, did have burn marks on her back from the

> radiation, works third shift as an LNA, and has a three year old

> son. If her cancer is in her blood stream, (and the first onset of

> her cancer was three years ago after the birth of her son..??)

> shouldn't she be going through chemo, too? Wouldn't her doctors'

> advice this? If you have cancer, you want all the possible

> treatments available, woulnd't you? Please do not get me wrong

with

> what I am going to say next....but, if it is in her bloodstream as

> she claims, would she still be able to work, and look as pretty as

> ever, and why doesn't she have chemo? I do not want to say that

she

> is lying about her cancer, yet, after three years she looks and

acts

> no different (she and the kids' father kept her cancer a secret for

> months before they told anyone). Does this sound weird to anyone???

>

[Guest guest]

GOOD FOR YOU, Margaret! That's the way to give ole " weasel-face "

at " Quackwatch " a good, indirect kick in the pants!

You know what? The VERY ACT of taking control of YOUR OWN TREATMENT

is a significant step toward healing from cancer!

I was dx'd with low-grade lymphoma in 1989, and had chemo because I

wasn't well informed about what else to do. Was not on the internet

at that time. Then, an oncology nurse, or all people, said to me: " IF

YOU DON'T TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN TREATMENT, THE DOCTORS WILL TURN

YOU INTO A PIECE OF MEAT! "

I started doing alternative treatment---diet, exercise, therapy, etc,

and the tumors shrunk and I went into a 10+ year remission. I only

relapsed because I got careless about doing the things I needed to

do, and because I put myself into a high negative stress work

situation.

Excellent work, Margaret! Just be careful to stay with what you've

been doing, and don't get careless, because I think once a person has

had cancer, they need to stay vigilant not to get back into doing the

stuff they were doing before they were dx'd.

With regard to valkorxxx, she/he is obviously not fully aware of the

type of cancer, the stage or grade of it, or what kind of treatment

the step-mom is taking. I do not think there could even be

any " radiation pills " because they would contaminate the factories

and pharmacies and consumers who handled them. I feel for your,

valkorxx, but I think unless you speak directly with your children's

step-mom, you are not really going to have much of a clue as to what

is actually going on with her.

>

> My father died from pancreatic cancer in 1969. He had surgery,

radiation and chemo and died within a year. It was awful. He was

like a living skeleton at his death.

>

> I was diagnosed with breast cancer (DCIS) in June '06. I had a

lumpectomy and was set-up for 5 weeks or radiation. I opted not to

take the radiation and chose to take a different route. I have

changed my diet and exercise routine. I am taking many supplements

and monitoring my health with a naturopathic doctor. I was never ill

and never looked any different at all. LOL, I suspect that some

people, including a few in-laws, suspect that I had nothing at all.

>

> I am not sure what plastic coverings have to do with radiation. I

do not know what a " radiation " pill is. Radiation goes through

anything but lead. There are targeted methods of giving radiation by

seeding the cancerous or former cancerous area but it is a very

specialized procedure.

>

> Just my $.02

>

> Margaret

>

>

> Don't know what to think!!!!!

>

>

> I do not know how to start this, so, I'm just going to put it out

> there. My aunt, , passed from skin cancer a few years ago. I

> saw her frequently as her illness got worse and worse for her

(she

> had both chemo and radiation). I kissed her on her head two days

> before her death and it was like kissing a baby bird. She was so

> thin, bone thin, and was just so exhausted. I have three

children.

> My eldest daughter (age 16) has a step mother who has beat breast

> cancer (so far) and I saw her as well through her treatments

(both

> chemo and radiation). She gained weight, lost her hair, was red

and

> puffy, went through surgeries (which is dangerous per infections)

and

> to this day, she works a full time job plus a part time job.

Right

> from the onset, she decided to include her younger child (age 9)

in

> all the treatments and doctor visits. Here is what I don't

> understand. Anyone can answer. My youngest two children also have

a

> step mother who has cancer. She had her lymphnoids removed, they

> found 12 spots on her lungs, went through radiation (in the

hospital

> where everything was covered with plastic), then they found 2 or

3

> spots on her lungs, she takes a radiation pill every month, (does

not

> do chemo), and now claims it is in her blood stream. She has

never

> lost her hair ofcourse, did have burn marks on her back from the

> radiation, works third shift as an LNA, and has a three year old

> son. If her cancer is in her blood stream, (and the first onset

of

> her cancer was three years ago after the birth of her son..??)

> shouldn't she be going through chemo, too? Wouldn't her doctors'

> advice this? If you have cancer, you want all the possible

> treatments available, woulnd't you? Please do not get me wrong

with

> what I am going to say next....but, if it is in her bloodstream

as

> she claims, would she still be able to work, and look as pretty

as

> ever, and why doesn't she have chemo? I do not want to say that

she

> is lying about her cancer, yet, after three years she looks and

acts

> no different (she and the kids' father kept her cancer a secret

for

> months before they told anyone). Does this sound weird to

anyone???

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Little different, but kinda reminds me of the movie " The Doctor, " in

which the surgeon diagnosed with laryngeal cancer refuses to allow

another surgeon to operate on him in the late afternoon...when she will

be tired and worn out from all the surgeries she's done earlier in the

day.

Yes, I've read stuff about how to achieve maximum effectiveness of

chemo, and I believe you've got a point about evening being more

effective---probably late in the evening, though, because from what I

understand, the most important tumor diminution happens in the wee

hours of the morning...as in around 2 AM...

Also, I was told by an oncologist that chemotherapy does its work very

soon after being infused. The " punch " from it, in other words, is very

swift---does not occur over many hours, much less days or weeks.

[Guest guest]

The first doctor that read my biopsy planned to do a modified radical

mastectomy, with a sentinel node biopsy, followed by reconstructive surgery. His

wife had just had the same diagnosis and that is what she did. I was 58 and his

wife was 43. We left his office reeling in shock. I was pretty stoic (as is my

usual) but my husband of 41 years was just devastated and falling apart.

WE drove the 35 miles home and I opened my new laptop and spent the next few

days reading every imaginable piece of information I could find. I saw another

doctor at a cancer center in the closest small city. She was appalled at the

idea of a mastectomy for such early stage, non-invasive cancer. But she would

only do a lumpectomy if I committed to follow-up radiation and 5 years of

Tamoxifen.

She was progressive enough to tell me to avoid soy, any kind of meat that was

not grass-fed and preferably organic. Tamoxifen !!!! She needs to read the

latest stats on it. I still have a uterus and I do not want to get uterine

cancer. Oh but it is easily detected and treated!!!

The more I read about radiation the less I wanted to have radiation " treatment "

I was accepted into a clinical trial at Stanford University Cancer Center for

short term, high intensity radiation. I drug my feet and did more research. I

read about the damage that could (would) be done to my heart because it was my

left breast. No more cancer cells but heart failure 10 years down the road.

Hmmmm, what about bone damage? I spent a sleepless night in a motel room in

Palo Alto and by 6:00 A.M. I knew I was not going to have any radiation. They

could not believe it when I called and canceled my appointment. Doctors at

Stanford are not accustomed to being told no. They called and asked my reasons.

I told them one by one and when I finished my statement !!!! They said they

couldn't disagree with any of my reasons!!

Re: Don't know what to think!!!!!

GOOD FOR YOU, Margaret! That's the way to give ole " weasel-face "

at " Quackwatch " a good, indirect kick in the pants!

You know what? The VERY ACT of taking control of YOUR OWN TREATMENT

is a significant step toward healing from cancer!

I was dx'd with low-grade lymphoma in 1989, and had chemo because I

wasn't well informed about what else to do. Was not on the internet

at that time. Then, an oncology nurse, or all people, said to me: " IF

YOU DON'T TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN TREATMENT, THE DOCTORS WILL TURN

YOU INTO A PIECE OF MEAT! "

I started doing alternative treatment---diet, exercise, therapy, etc,

and the tumors shrunk and I went into a 10+ year remission. I only

relapsed because I got careless about doing the things I needed to

do, and because I put myself into a high negative stress work

situation.

Excellent work, Margaret! Just be careful to stay with what you've

been doing, and don't get careless, because I think once a person has

had cancer, they need to stay vigilant not to get back into doing the

stuff they were doing before they were dx'd.

> My father died from pancreatic cancer in 1969. He had surgery,

radiation and chemo and died within a year. It was awful. He was

like a living skeleton at his death.

>

> I was diagnosed with breast cancer (DCIS) in June '06. I had a

lumpectomy and was set-up for 5 weeks or radiation. I opted not to

take the radiation and chose to take a different route. I have

changed my diet and exercise routine. I am taking many supplements

and monitoring my health with a naturopathic doctor. I was never ill

and never looked any different at all. LOL, I suspect that some

people, including a few in-laws, suspect that I had nothing at all.

>

> I am not sure what plastic coverings have to do with radiation. I

do not know what a " radiation " pill is. Radiation goes through

anything but lead. There are targeted methods of giving radiation by

seeding the cancerous or former cancerous area but it is a very

specialized procedure.

>

> Just my $.02

>

> Margaret

>

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Here's my $.02 as well. Cancer of the lung that metastasizes to the blood would

be called " lung cancer of the blood " . That is the way the docs explained it to

me if my cancer spread to other areas. I would have colo-rectal cancer of

whatever body part.

I would never have taken my kids with me for my treatments. They were so

horrible! My middle daughter turned 9 during my treatment. She was very

seriously depressed by the very real possiblilty of losing her mother. I did

read books to her like " Our Family Has Cancer Too " , an excellent book for kids.

(I can't recall the author, a breast cancer survivor.) I talked to her about my

treatment. My kids did come to see me in the hospital when I went in for chemo.

If chemo is more effective in the evening than in the morning, what is getting

chemo for 5 straight days 24/7? When I got my chemo, I had to go into the

hospital for 120 hours of continuous infusion of 5FU each time! Then they gave

me mitomycin on top of that in a syringe the size of my forearm that took the

nurse 15 minutes to shoot into my IV! I did look sick. I didn't lose all of my

hair though, just most of it! It would have looked alot better if I had lost all

of it!

Brightest Blessings,

szukidavis@... wrote: In a message dated

1/5/07 9:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

booldawgs@... writes:

> He had surgery, radiation and chemo

Chemo given in the evening is much more effective than in the daytime but it

is more convenient for the hospital to do it at the worst possible time for

any effectiveness.