Behavior Issues

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>Dear List,

>I haven't seen a lot on behavior issues, etc., discussed so far on the

>list, although Lynda Rand included some needs/examples with her notes.

>I wonder whether they are dealt with and in a similar manner that any

>behavior issue is addressed in any good ABA program? I can't see how there

>would be a whole new way of addressing behavior too, but I could be wrong.

***As with any behavior there is a function or functions to problem

behaviors. Dealing with excessive aberrant behaviors is often done by

determining the function(s) of the behavior(s) and developing an approach

that addresses the function by teaching an appropriate functional

equivalent. Additionally, DRO programs simply reinforce the absence of the

target behavior(s) based on specified time intervals. The approach that is

most likely to work is the one that addresses the function of the behavior.

Crying, for example, is a behavior that may occur because a child does not

want to do the work that is being demanded of him or her, or because he or

she is hungry and wants to be fed. In these examples the behavior is

exactly the same (i.e., crying), but the functions are entirely different

(i.e., escape versus gaining access to reinforcement). Consequently, the

intervention should be tailored to address these different functions. It

should also be mentioned that guessing as to the function of the behavior

can often be misleading. For example, it could be inferred that a child

that spins objects and watches them intently is doing so because of the

visual stimulation that is being provided. However, it could just as easily

be that the object spinning produces a noise that is reinforcing, and that

it is actually the auditory stimulation that maintains the behavior. An

intervention based on the behavior occurring as a function of visual

stimulation would, therefore, most likely not be fruitful and may ***waste a

lot of time.

>

>But, what do you do for a

>kid who is testing and pees on purpose to get your goat and you can tell

>they HAVE to go, and the other is, do you not even remind them before a

>trip?

We did remind our other kids and even still say, Everyone go to the

>bathroom before we go, and I am wondering if that's not the right thing to

>do. The problem is I don't want to ride a distance with a child who is wet,

>nor do I want my van seats wet, and we're getting a newer car this coming

>month, and I definitely DON'T want that car peed on, etc.

>

>Then, he has picked on a therapist he really likes, but really

>overreacted to this and now Isaac thinks the funniest thing in the world is

>to dip your hands in or splash in the toilet bowl to get a rise out of an

>adult. Oddly enough, he has not tried this with either my husband or myself

>at all, probably realizing we would not think it one bit amusing and he

>would get in trouble, etc. So, he has done it two or three times with this

>therapist and one other to test.

>

>Lastly, I think, I am still not sure if we should GO BACK and do our

>intense toileting program again and allow for more errors. Sometimes Isaac

>does too well at first, and everyone gets complacent and he does not

>experience the wrongness of it,

***Experiencing errors is unlikely to be beneficial. He experiences errors

now and it hasn't changed his behavior. The problems probably occur because

the stimulus control for using the bathroom appropriately have not

transferred from the verbal and/or other cues given by the adults in his

life to the relevant cues of the need to go to the bathroom, and possibly

the sight of the bathroom. As you suggested, training is needed, but the

fading of extraneous prompts is probably what is necessary. Lastly, the

function of the errors and the conditions that set the occasion for the

errors need to be ***considered.

C. Constant, MS.Ed.

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>From: Jennie Ladew <jennie@...>

>Reply- onelist

> onelist, onelist

>Subject: Re: [ ] Behavior Issues

>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:59:56 -0500

>

>

> >

> >***Experiencing errors is unlikely to be beneficial. He experiences

>errors

> >now and it hasn't changed his behavior. The problems probably occur

>because

> >the stimulus control for using the bathroom appropriately have not

> >transferred from the verbal and/or other cues given by the adults in his

> >life to the relevant cues of the need to go to the bathroom, and possibly

> >the sight of the bathroom. As you suggested, training is needed, but the

> >fading of extraneous prompts is probably what is necessary. Lastly, the

> >function of the errors and the conditions that set the occasion for the

> >errors need to be ***considered.

> >

> >

> > C. Constant, MS.Ed.

> >

>

>When I said experiencing errors, I mean going back, practicing the positive

>practice, ala, over correction in the before PC period lingo, and having

>wet and dry checks. The fact that on low key days, he does either tell us

>with an icon or go into the bathroom to use it appropriately tells me he

>does understand the function of the bathroom, and past history confirms

>this, but more importantly, he rarely has a problem with us.

Sounds like things are under control.

>

>I believe it's more an escape.

This is what function of behavior means. A behavior may occur as a function

of escape, attention, automatic reinforcement, etc... Determining the

function of a behavior is the scientific process. The procedure used to

" correct " the unwanted behavior (e.g., over correction) should be based on

the function of the behavior.

>So, how to address this is the big question. I want to teach BREAK, but am

>not sure if this is the best thing to do.

It's important to note that the function can alter depending on the context.

It's possible that " Break " is the functional equivalent of peeing. It's

also possible that it is the functional equivalent in specific contexts.

This makes determining the function of the " errors " all the more important.

C. Constant, MS.Ed.

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Dear List,

I haven't seen a lot on behavior issues, etc., discussed so far on the

list, although Lynda Rand included some needs/examples with her notes.

I wonder whether they are dealt with and in a similar manner that any

behavior issue is addressed in any good ABA program? I can't see how there

would be a whole new way of addressing behavior too, but I could be wrong.

We have some small issues, well not so small for the people involved, and I

wonder what your consultants might suggest or what you all might do. Of

course if you're lucky, you have never dealt with these issues or never

will. LOL

Number one. Or should I be childish and say NUMBER TWO. Isaac stands up to

urinate, but lately, is not making it to sit down for a BM, and it's

becoming a problem. The mess is not too much fun, and once we have a mess,

he gets so giddy and strange acting, that it is hard to clean up. Lynda

mentioned Dr. Carbone and I know most ABA professionals agree once you have

the toileting down, you do not tell them to go. But, what do you do for a

kid who is testing and pees on purpose to get your goat and you can tell

they HAVE to go, and the other is, do you not even remind them before a

trip? We did remind our other kids and even still say, Everyone go to the

bathroom before we go, and I am wondering if that's not the right thing to

do. The problem is I don't want to ride a distance with a child who is wet,

nor do I want my van seats wet, and we're getting a newer car this coming

month, and I definitely DON'T want that car peed on, etc.

Then, he has picked on a therapist he really likes, but really

overreacted to this and now Isaac thinks the funniest thing in the world is

to dip your hands in or splash in the toilet bowl to get a rise out of an

adult. Oddly enough, he has not tried this with either my husband or myself

at all, probably realizing we would not think it one bit amusing and he

would get in trouble, etc. So, he has done it two or three times with this

therapist and one other to test.

Lastly, I think, I am still not sure if we should GO BACK and do our

intense toileting program again and allow for more errors. Sometimes Isaac

does too well at first, and everyone gets complacent and he does not

experience the wrongness of it, but we slide back some in the process, him

too. He has two days in a row often completely accident free, toileting

again, and then a urine accident, 90% of the time with a therapist, and

probably close to that when they are out doing an activity and he can't

tell them he has to go. Most days there is only one accident, but some days

three, and then as I said, one or two days none, rarely three. He is much

better when nobody else is around, and had no urine or BM accidents

Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, but then had one on Sunday with a therapist

here. I think much of it is escape behaviors. And then later that day, but

that was after swimming and drinking half the pool and stopping on the side

of the road to check an engine, hence we were in the car much longer than

we planned.

Ok, I blabbed enough, but I am wondering how to deal with this, sliding

back and forth. I long for the days that two and three weeks went by dry,

clean, etc. other than night.

Jennie

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>

>***Experiencing errors is unlikely to be beneficial. He experiences errors

>now and it hasn't changed his behavior. The problems probably occur because

>the stimulus control for using the bathroom appropriately have not

>transferred from the verbal and/or other cues given by the adults in his

>life to the relevant cues of the need to go to the bathroom, and possibly

>the sight of the bathroom. As you suggested, training is needed, but the

>fading of extraneous prompts is probably what is necessary. Lastly, the

>function of the errors and the conditions that set the occasion for the

>errors need to be ***considered.

>

>

> C. Constant, MS.Ed.

>

When I said experiencing errors, I mean going back, practicing the positive

practice, ala, over correction in the before PC period lingo, and having

wet and dry checks. The fact that on low key days, he does either tell us

with an icon or go into the bathroom to use it appropriately tells me he

does understand the function of the bathroom, and past history confirms

this, but more importantly, he rarely has a problem with us.

I believe it's more an escape. He uses the toilet photo icon very well most

of the time during drills, so I tend to think from looking at the data and

listening to the therapists and over hearing them and him, it is more when

he is tired and frustrated. The cause varies, too difficult, bored or sick

of working on that program, but peeing the pants, etc., is not helping the

matter, and what we need is an effect to the cause, if that made sense.

Right now, we go to the bathroom, he does some over-correction, cleans the

area, and gets back to work.

I feel that the time away from the table working is enough reinforcing that

he is willing to walk around and clean up, etc.

So, how to address this is the big question. I want to teach BREAK, but am

not sure if this is the best thing to do. In general aside from the new

whininess we see, Isaac is mostly very compliant and sometimes even

interested and proud.

Jennie

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You must be writing about my son.Everything that you have said is how mine

was.He really doesn't have the horrible behavior issues anymore since he

talks well and has worked a lot of his Sensory Issues out.He will however do

things such as carry a cup by the straw and it spills after telling him to

carry it in his hand,or jumping in the pool with his shoes on.He still does

inappropriate things and doesn't know why he does them.I would guess it is

the apraxia since so many of the kids here do the same things. I laugh at

myself because I will say,for example if he wants pizza I let him see what it

looks like before we order it and will say, " Look at it first and ask him if

it is OK " . I laugh because this is something only a mother would do! Anyway

hope this helps.Gretchen

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Hi Connie glad to have you in this group. This things you described do happen with our children but its not normal. Your children are young and close in age. so I can see how exhausted you can be when trying to teach them appropriate behaviors. it does take time, and they will learn, you will see these behaviors less. do you have outside help to help you work with the behaviors? maybe a therapist, respite, even a spouse - friend?. Rose Connie <chsmith1108@...> wrote: I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Rose, Yes, both my children receive therapy from their school. I've noticed that my dd doesn't exhibit as much of those behaviors as before starting school. Ds still exhibits the head banging at home & school. The doctor's have put him on Respidal and there seems to be some improvement. As far as support, the only support I have is this group. My husband doesn't have any family left & my family lives far away. Our church family doesn't understand our children and their behaviors, so we have pretty much quit going. The school has an Autism support group, but only meets once a month. My husband works alot because we need the money, so alot of the time, I feel that I'm all alone in this with my children. Thanks for your response and hopefully we can learn from each other. I'm glad I found this group.Connie H.

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Rose,

I'm glad I found this group. Yes, my children both get therapy from

school. They both have behavior therapist. I have seen some changes

for the better since they started to school. I do some home therapy

that the school OT taught me and I believe that helps. DH works alot

and is not home much. My church doesn't understand my children & we

have had problems there, so we pretty much don't go anymore. DH has

no family left & my family lives far away, so I feel all alone in

this. The school has an Autism Support group, but it only meets once

a month. So I'm thrill to have this site where I can talk to people

who are going through some of the same things.

Connie

> I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr

old girl both

> with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your

> children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself &

> others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very

angry

> all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses

> everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough

to

> put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both

of

> my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously

> dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can

give

> me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yesterday I ask ds's OT about this and you're right, he is meeting a

need in his sensory process. What this OT says that if I try to stop

this behavior that my ds will only start something else that could be

even worst than the head banging. I'm just afraid that he will hurt

himself since he has no sense of pain. The OT is going to look up

some stuff for me and make some suggestions. Thanks for your input.

>

> Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL

at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we

can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with

something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal

(nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you,

just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I

would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be

done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide

whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO

THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my

understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT

changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years;

what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your

head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the

end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of

numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3

years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now

though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to

replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it

being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give

them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory

professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current

goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to

replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal

>

>

> @...: chsmith1108@...: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31

+0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues

>

>

>

>

> I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl

both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that

your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself

& others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very

angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses

everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to

put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of

my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously

dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can

give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

>

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Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123@...> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever

bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( )

Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Rose How about putting some cool bandaids on the scars? The printed ones are expensive, but if you can convince your son that they're cool to keep on, maybe that would be worth the expense? Maybe there's some other activity he could do that involves a similar movement. I'm thinking peeling stickers or window clings. I remember puzzles I used to get for the kids. There were sticky pieces and you would put them together to make a puzzle. They also make sticker books that you can collect stickers. Some of them are vinyl so the stickers can be moved around. Just brainstorming...... MimsRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy,

therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe

biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I

have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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Rose, Have him carry a Bounce dryer sheet in his pocket. The bugs won't attack at all. RebaRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections &

scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is

for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start

with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007.

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Mims, another person suggested the bandaids last summer. I didn't think that would do any good because he could just take the band aid off. But I will definitely try it this time. I don't want him to get an infection and more scars. he legs looked like a mess. thanks RoseMims Batts <mimsnj@...> wrote: Rose How about putting some cool bandaids on the scars? The printed ones are expensive, but if you can convince your son that they're cool

to keep on, maybe that would be worth the expense? Maybe there's some other activity he could do that involves a similar movement. I'm thinking peeling stickers or window clings. I remember puzzles I used to get for the kids. There were sticky pieces and you would put them together to make a puzzle. They also make sticker books that you can collect stickers. Some of them are vinyl so the stickers can be moved around. Just brainstorming...... MimsRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be

replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is

very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will

help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS

children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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My as son does pick at his face and he has scars and scabs on his face too. I have also talked to him about the scars etc. His doctor even tried to talk to him about it and my son still picks. My son has a worker that comes out and works with him and stuff. One of the ladies that work at the main office said that maybe getting something small that he can put in his pocket and play with when he gets the feeling to pick at his face. Like a stress ball(balloon with flour in it), or a plastic bug or something that he can pull on or something. I have not tried it yet. So I cant tell you if it works or not. Sorry. I don't know if that was any help or not. Take care.

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LOL, I wonder if that really works. we live near a creek/lake/swamp and the misquotes are always hungry. forget about those black flies, horse flies and all the other biting bugs out here. we will try anything and I'll let you know if those Bounce dryer sheets work. the Avon lotion for bugs 'skin so soft' doesn't stand up to those black flies. My son's legs were so bad last year from the bits, and him picking at his scabs that his doctor had to give him a prescription antibiotic lotion to put on his legs. thanks -I got to try those dryer sheets. RoseReba <kajnlady1@...> wrote: Rose, Have him carry a Bounce dryer sheet in his pocket. The bugs won't attack at all. RebaRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites

attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it

is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal To:

From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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Connie, You are already doing such a great job. I can see how much you care because you are trying to get help for your children. This group is awesome. You child that exhibits head banging; does he have a speech delay? also, why does he bang his head? is it because he was told to do something that he doesn't want to do? or because you said " NO " to something he wanted to do?. I bet you know when your son is 'about to' bang his head. if so, can you catch him just before he goes to do it and say in a very firm voice. if you hurt your head, you will go into time out !. another thing I can think of is buying a helmet - something like a football helmet and explain to him when he isn't in a angry mood. explain to him that banging your head will hurt you. So, to keep you safe, if you continue to bang your head when your angry - you will have to wear

this helmet. {don't worry if he likes that idea } because it will protect his head. If he is embarrassed by wearing the helmet - let him know he won't have to wear it - when you know he is safe and won't hurt himself by banging his head. (but even while wearing the helmet) if he bangs his head, he should be told he's going into time out for hurting himself by banging his head. the next time you catch him {just before he bangs his head} say it again in that firm voice - you will go into time out for hurting your head. If that sounds like something you would try. next thing I would work on is " what to do when he feels angry". maybe just before he gets to feeling so angry, try distracting him by asking him to do something he likes, or helping you with washing fruit, getting you a drink of water. these or just some quick examples I'm thinking of to distract him. maybe you have better

ones that your son can do. I'm watching an 18 month old boy that bangs his head when he's told he can't touch something that he wants to get his hands on. also, he doesn't have language yet, so he does this out of frustration. but I'm able to less en it with distractions & time outs. I hope this helps a little. if not, I'll try to think of other things. Hugs Rose"CONNIE H. SMITH" <chsmith1108@...> wrote: Rose, Yes,

both my children receive therapy from their school. I've noticed that my dd doesn't exhibit as much of those behaviors as before starting school. Ds still exhibits the head banging at home & school. The doctor's have put him on Respidal and there seems to be some improvement. As far as support, the only support I have is this group. My husband doesn't have any family left & my family lives far away. Our church family doesn't understand our children and their behaviors, so we have pretty much quit going. The school has an Autism support group, but only meets once a month. My husband works alot because we need the money, so alot of the time, I feel that I'm all alone in this with my children. Thanks for your response and hopefully we can learn from each other. I'm glad I found this group. Connie H. Domestic Engineer

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Rose, My friend lives on the Amite river and the mosquitos there will carry you away! LOL She swears by the Bounce sheets, although I haven't tried them yet this year, but I plan to! I know some people are just more appetizing to those evil little creatures. My son is just like what ya'll have been saying: He will pick at bites and sores until they bleed and then keep picking. He does that with his nails, too, when he bites them. I've even caught him putting his toenails in his mouth, trying to bite them!! Rose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: LOL, I wonder if that really works. we live near a creek/lake/swamp and the misquotes are always hungry. forget about those black flies, horse flies and all the other biting bugs out here. we will try anything and I'll let you know if those Bounce dryer sheets work. the Avon lotion for bugs 'skin so soft' doesn't stand up to those black flies. My son's legs were so bad last year from the bits, and him picking at his scabs that his doctor had to give him a prescription antibiotic lotion to put on his legs. thanks -I got to try those dryer sheets. RoseReba <kajnlady1 > wrote: Rose, Have him carry a Bounce dryer sheet in his pocket. The bugs

won't attack at all. RebaRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the

end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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Christie, that is a tough one - the scab picking - I have used the stress ball with my son when he was younger in school. he would use the ball while in circle time or anytime he had to wait. waiting was hard for him. He still uses the ball even today. with my son, it doesn't work for the scab picking, but helps him be patient while waiting. he has to keep his hands busy... thanksChristie Speckel <packerpenguin@...> wrote: My as son does pick at his face and he has scars and scabs on his face too. I have also talked to him about the scars etc. His doctor even tried to talk to him about it and my son still picks. My son has a worker that comes out and works with him and stuff. One of the ladies that work at the main office said that maybe getting something small that he can put in his pocket and play with when he gets the feeling to pick at his face. Like a stress ball(balloon with flour in it), or a plastic bug or something that he can pull on or something. I have not tried it yet. So I cant tell you if it works or not. Sorry. I don't know if that was any help or not. Take care. Christie -- ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD

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ROFLMAO ! - LOL I see we all have our share of mosquitos. My son also picks his finger & toe nails. He hates to have the nails past his skin. His stomach wont let him put his toes into his mouth. *smile*. I don't know how he can pick his skin so bad without finger nails? amazing. but he will continue to pick even past all the blood too. Reba <kajnlady1@...> wrote: Rose, My friend lives on the Amite river and the mosquitos there will

carry you away! LOL She swears by the Bounce sheets, although I haven't tried them yet this year, but I plan to! I know some people are just more appetizing to those evil little creatures. My son is just like what ya'll have been saying: He will pick at bites and sores until they bleed and then keep picking. He does that with his nails, too, when he bites them. I've even caught him putting his toenails in his mouth, trying to bite them!! Rose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: LOL, I wonder if that really works. we live near a creek/lake/swamp and the misquotes are always hungry. forget about those black flies, horse flies and all the other biting bugs out here. we will try anything and I'll let you know if those Bounce dryer sheets work. the Avon

lotion for bugs 'skin so soft' doesn't stand up to those black flies. My son's legs were so bad last year from the bits, and him picking at his scabs that his doctor had to give him a prescription antibiotic lotion to put on his legs. thanks -I got to try those dryer sheets. RoseReba <kajnlady1 > wrote: Rose, Have him carry a Bounce dryer sheet in his pocket. The bugs won't attack at all. RebaRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my

son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else

to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the

'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks

people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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you can go to one of those everything's a dollar stores and get squishy balls and those plastic things with the 'little legs'.. I have a couple of my own... and they are cheap.. he could put one of those long balloon things that has tentacles on it... it feels like a water balloon, and you can squeeze the liquid from one side to another... hard to explain, best to just go check it out Toni

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I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Rose,

There is no specific event that causes him to bang his head. He does

it even when he appears happy. The OT says it's a sensory issue:

something his body is craving. I like the football helmet thing and I

will try that. I want him to be safe. I have also told him in my

drill sargrent voice that he is not to bang his head, however, it

just doesn't get it. The minute I turn around he is bang his head.

Time outs DO NOT WORK with my ds. The only thing in that department

that works he making him go to bed early.

He does have alot of angry & aggressive issues. He cannot tell me why

he is angry even though his vocabulary is very good. He just doesn't

understand emotions. Someone else suggested that I give him multiple

choice answers to the wh questions since most AS children do not

understand them. I'm going to give that a try & I'll let you know how

it comes out.

Thanks for your response.

> Rose,

>

> Yes, both my children receive therapy from their school. I've

noticed that my dd doesn't exhibit as much of those behaviors as

before starting school. Ds still exhibits the head banging at home &

school. The doctor's have put him on Respidal and there seems to be

some improvement. As far as support, the only support I have is this

group. My husband doesn't have any family left & my family lives far

away. Our church family doesn't understand our children and their

behaviors, so we have pretty much quit going. The school has an

Autism support group, but only meets once a month. My husband works

alot because we need the money, so alot of the time, I feel that I'm

all alone in this with my children. Thanks for your response and

hopefully we can learn from each other. I'm glad I found this group.

>

>

> Connie H.

> Domestic Engineer

>

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Connie, I understand the sensory craving part. My son has them too. I also understand 'time outs not working '. doesn't with my son either. (but for some - time outs work). My son has to sleep with a weighted blanket, craves tight hugs, needs to bounce on a Hugh exercise ball, loves pressure, loves and craves water hitting him - like in a shower, waterfall would be better.*smile*. I guess my point of explaining all that is. <<If I can word this right>>. If your son is craving " banging his head". does he like the pressure - if so, maybe something tight around his head like a sweat band for his head. does he like the tingle feeling? - maybe brushing might help or something else that gives that same feeling. I'm not good with this sensory stuff but my son also craves sensory things. He also needs/craves to jump on a trampoline. so I guess my point is: if

you can find out what it is that he gets out of banging his head, maybe you can replace it with something safer and similar to that feeling he craves.. If that make sense to you. I know this is another poor example: but I'm trying to think of things. if your son bangs his head and he likes that banging sound that makes - get him something that makes that sound that he can bang instead of his head that he can hear. Have you checked on sensory - websites - to see what they offer? I know this is a tough one, I hope more people that experience this write in with ideas for you. at least you can try the helmet and I hope that helps... best wishes for you and your son RoseConnie <chsmith1108@...> wrote: Rose, There is no specific event that causes him to bang his head. He does it even when he appears happy. The OT says it's a sensory issue: something his body is craving. I like the football helmet thing and I will try that. I want him to be safe. I have also told him in my drill sargrent voice that he is not to bang his head, however, it just doesn't get it. The minute I turn around he is bang his head. Time outs DO NOT WORK with my ds. The only thing in that department that works he making him go to bed early.He does have alot of angry & aggressive issues. He cannot tell me why he is angry even though his vocabulary is very good. He just doesn't understand

emotions. Someone else suggested that I give him multiple choice answers to the wh questions since most AS children do not understand them. I'm going to give that a try & I'll let you know how it comes out.Thanks for your response.> Rose,> > Yes, both my children receive therapy from their school. I've noticed that my dd doesn't exhibit as much of

those behaviors as before starting school. Ds still exhibits the head banging at home & school. The doctor's have put him on Respidal and there seems to be some improvement. As far as support, the only support I have is this group. My husband doesn't have any family left & my family lives far away. Our church family doesn't understand our children and their behaviors, so we have pretty much quit going. The school has an Autism support group, but only meets once a month. My husband works alot because we need the money, so alot of the time, I feel that I'm all alone in this with my children. Thanks for your response and hopefully we can learn from each other. I'm glad I found this group.> > > Connie H. > Domestic Engineer> > ---------------------------------> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No

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Rose. Is he being treated for OCD? Isn't "picking" part of that? RobinMims Batts <mimsnj@...> wrote: Rose How about putting some cool bandaids on the scars? The printed ones are expensive, but if you can convince your son that they're cool to keep on, maybe that would be worth the expense? Maybe there's some other activity he could do that involves a similar movement. I'm thinking peeling stickers or window clings. I remember puzzles I used to get

for the kids. There were sticky pieces and you would put them together to make a puzzle. They also make sticker books that you can collect stickers. Some of them are vinyl so the stickers can be moved around. Just brainstorming...... MimsRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those

bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this;

perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal To:

From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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Robin, I'm not that familiar with sensory or OCD. I know I would need to look into that again. I am clueless as to why he will pick his scabs till it bleeds and continues. I'm more concerned about infections then scars. which should I check out first? sensory, O.T. or OCD?. thanks Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Rose. Is he being treated for OCD? Isn't "picking" part of that? RobinMims Batts <mimsnj > wrote: Rose How about putting some cool bandaids on the scars? The printed ones are expensive, but if you can convince your son that they're cool to keep on, maybe that would be worth the expense? Maybe there's some other activity he could do that involves a similar movement. I'm thinking peeling stickers or window clings. I remember puzzles I used to get for the kids. There were sticky pieces and you would put them together to make a puzzle. They also make sticker books that you can collect stickers. Some of them are vinyl so the stickers can be moved around. Just brainstorming...... MimsRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or

demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he

has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children

exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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I'd check out OCD. Obsessions are, basically, thoughts. Compulsions are actions. Actions that the person really has no control over. Hand washing, humming, saying certain things in a certain order, touching things. Picking, perhaps? I'd google "OCD Picking scabs". Keep us posted. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Robin, I'm not that familiar with sensory or OCD. I know I would need to look into

that again. I am clueless as to why he will pick his scabs till it bleeds and continues. I'm more concerned about infections then scars. which should I check out first? sensory, O.T. or OCD?. thanks Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Rose. Is he being treated for OCD? Isn't "picking" part of that? RobinMims Batts <mimsnj > wrote: Rose How about putting some cool bandaids on the scars? The printed ones are expensive, but if you can convince your son that they're cool to keep on, maybe that would be worth the expense? Maybe there's some other activity he could do

that involves a similar movement. I'm thinking peeling stickers or window clings. I remember puzzles I used to get for the kids. There were sticky pieces and you would put them together to make a puzzle. They also make sticker books that you can collect stickers. Some of them are vinyl so the stickers can be moved around. Just brainstorming...... MimsRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Ruthie, I very much so believe what you said about replacing a bad behavior with a good one. but I'm still trying to figure out what to replace this: { my son will pick his scabs even when bleeding or well into the healing stage }. what would that be replace with? yes, I explained about infections & scars, but that doesn't have the same

impact with him as it does with me. I would like to start with something before the nicer weather starts and all those bug bites attack. any suggestions would be great... *smile*. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: Therapy, therapy, therapy, and picking your battles; set ONE GOAL at a time, and work on that but most of us on here will tell you we can 'end' or demish certain behaviors, but it needs replaced with something else....so, for head banging, make that your one goal (nothing else child does of these 'odd behaviors' matters to you, just head banging; then, help child to find something else to do (I would look it up and see what need that is meeting).........it can be done but it is very challenging and hard work; and, you must decide whom this is for, you or the child? Some autisitic

adults HAVE TO DO THESE things to live their lives (or at least that is my understanding) so some severe may need to do this; perhaps it is NOT changeable either. I have never had a headbanger past toddler years; what we did was a spanking once and said do not ever, ever bang your head when you are mad, ever again; that is dangerous...that was the end of it; we have had to replace toe biting (to the point of numerous nail removals, infections, etc., etc.,; this son took 3 years and no longer does it OR fingers; he has other new things now though, so they are meeting THEIR needs by doing it, so you have to replace it (or they will on their own, so if you want a say in it being something positive (or tolerable, or safer) then you must give them the 'replacement.' Again, I would make sure (ask a sensory professional / O.T.) if your choice will help whatever your current goal is, or ask them what to do to start with to end it / what to replace it

with..................Hope that helps SOME. Ruthie Dolezal From: chsmith1108 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:59:31 +0000Subject: ( ) Behavior Issues I've just joined this group. I have a 6 yr old boy & 4 yr old girl both with Asperger's. How do you mom's handle the odd behavior that your children exhibit? My son bangs his head on objects, hits himself & others, clinches his teeth, bangs & breaks his toys & seems very angry all the time. My daughter hits, bites, kicks, screams, kisses everything, licks people & objects, eats everything little enough to put in her mouth. Are these behaviors normal for AS children? Both of my children were dianosised with AS in 2007. They were previously dianosised

with PDD & sensory intergation. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

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