MMR vaccinations

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Yes, there has been lots of talk about the MMR in general.

Some people are adamant that it's a major cause of ASD, though the other side has studies saying it's not.

Kids with DS have a higher rate of ASD ( autism spectrum disorder) so many have erred on the side of caution with this one and had them divided, waited till their child was much older or simply opted out of it altogether.

I was one who was cautious and still needs her second booster. :-) She just had her first last year at 6 years old, and I chose then because measles were going around some of the college campus' and I have three older children or either are in college or hang out with kids who are. I saw zero affect on her. Not even swelling at the sight.

I am sure she will have a sight reaction second time around as now her body can mount an assault on those things, where as before, it had no clue so no attack and no swelling.

At the very least, I would say to space out the vaccinations. Do the ones most important at the time and wait on any others til they are much older. I also used a lot of glutithione cream before and after, no Tylenol, though she didn't need it- but planned to use ibuprofen if she had.

You will get all kinds of very opinionated posts regarding this subject and bottom line is *you* have to research, ask lots of questions, make sure your advice is as balanced as possible, on both sides... and make a choice you are comfortable with cause you are the one you have to answer to at the end of the day. :-)

http://www.apologia.com/vaccines.htm

This is one of my favorite sites for looking up answers to the anti-vaccine claims, claims I don't take very lightly btw- but some are just based on bad science, some are not.

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MMR vaccinations

has anyone heard anything about not giving the combined mmr jab?? my daughter is due to have hers but am not sure if there is a reason liked to downs that means we should find alternative ways like individual jabs.

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What age do you think our kids are safe from possibly joining the ASD? I have heard that children with DS can be much older. Sara is due for her shots and I am holding off. They recommend the MMR and chicken pox vaccine together. When I discussed this with my pediatrician he was convinced Sara would do great. Thoughts???? arcySee what's free at AOL.com.

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No one has the answer to that!!No one even agrees if the MMR has anything at all to do with ASD.... so you are on your own.Kids with DS can develop ASD later in life too. There is evidence that ASD is caused by a genitic problem in the brain, not external problems.I waited til was 6 and in the peak of health to have it done. I wouldn't let them do another thing with the MMR either. Why risk it when it's so easy not to?That's the best I can do. Everyone does it differently, lots of people just followed the typical schedule and had no problems either. Carol in IL AIM

doihavtasay1Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: "rdavis900@..." <rdavis900@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:52:53 PMSubject: Re: MMR vaccinations

What age do you think our kids are safe from possibly joining the ASD? I have heard that children with DS can be much older. Sara is due for her shots and I am holding off. They recommend the MMR and chicken pox vaccine together. When I discussed this with my pediatrician he was convinced Sara would do great. Thoughts???? arcySee what's free at AOL.com.

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Bypassing for a moment the debate of whether immunizations are to

blame for things like SID, autism, and ASD, these paragraphs from an

article on vaccination in a " Wise Traditions " magazine have

influenced me:

" When a baby becomes infected with a communicable disease, his

immune system responds through a sophisticated web of interlocking

reactions that can produce immunity for life to naturally acquired

childhood diseases. These miraculous defenses exist, in part, to

keep invading microbes and viruses from taking hold in the deeper

systems and organs of the body.

" But vaccines, which contain both live and dead viruses, killed

bacteria, genetically engineered DNA and chemical preservatives, are

injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing the natural immune

response. This deprives the body of the ability to naturally develop

life-long immunity in all its multifaceted complexity to normal

childhood diseases like measles, mumps, and chicken pox. Mass

vaccination is a manmade attempt to remove the natural infection

response from human development and replace it with a series of

artificially imposed infections and immune responses determined by

the doctor's vaccination schedule.

Thirty years ago, children received a total of four vaccines, but

today a fully vaccinated child receives a whopping 37-50 vaccines

during the early, formative years of life, when his developing

immune system is most vunerable. Even an adult immune system would

be challenged by so many vaccines given during such a short period

of time. While unvaccinated children will never develop every

disease for which children are given a vaccine, their bodies are

forced by the Center for Disease Control's vaccination schedule to

respond to them all. Furthermore, the DPT vaccine forces an immune

response to diptheria, tetanus, and pertussis on the same day, an

event that would never happen in real life. Plus there are virtually

no studies or scientific research on the effects of multiple viral

and bacterial vaccines given in combination or in close succession,

and how they affect the human body. "

With our DS kids already having lowered immune responses, it doesn't

seem a good idea to inject all that unnatural stuff into their

bloodstreams. When I got to baby # 6, I quit getting vaccines.

Number 6, 7, and 8 have never been to a doctor or hospital

(excepting one buckle-fractured wrist)! But (DS and a CHD

known as Ebstein's Anomaly with an ASD and a VSD) had to have a

pediatrician. And his ped was concerned that if he contracted

something (like whooping cough), it could have serious consequences

for his heart. I asked him what he thought was the most important

vaccine. He rated DPT as the most important, with the pnuemococcal

conjugate as the second most important. So, I finally relented; but

I only allowed one vaccine at a time and never more than one in any

given month and only when was healthy. had to get the

Synagis injections every month during RSV season, so we didn't do

vaccines during those months. He is now finished with those 2

vaccine series. And, at this point, I don't plan on him getting any

of the others. We homeschool, so I don't have the requirement for

school enrollment issue.

By the way, we are going to take to get his ears rechecked

and assessed. Dh and I were not in total agreement to whom we were

going to take him. 's ped agreed with me that we should take

him to the children's hospital to the ENT with lots of experience

with DS, even though it is a bit further.

Wow! My post sure did generate lots of discussion!! I guess I'll

have to let you all know the outcome. Thanks for your concern, all

who responded.

GOD's BEST!

>

> No one has the answer to that!!

> No one even agrees if the MMR has anything at all to do with

ASD.... so you are on your own.

>

> Kids with DS can develop ASD later in life too. There is evidence

that ASD is caused by a genitic problem in the brain, not external

problems.

>

> I waited til was 6 and in the peak of health to have it

done.

> I wouldn't let them do another thing with the MMR either. Why risk

it when it's so easy not to?

>

> That's the best I can do. Everyone does it differently, lots of

people just followed the typical schedule and had no problems either.

>

>

> Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1

> Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS,

Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.

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I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it -

1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria

2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)

3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it!

Just my .02 ,

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Re: MMR vaccinations

Bypassing for a moment the debate of whether immunizations are to blame for things like SID, autism, and ASD, these paragraphs from an article on vaccination in a "Wise Traditions" magazine have influenced me:"When a baby becomes infected with a communicable disease, his immune system responds through a sophisticated web of interlocking reactions that can produce immunity for life to naturally acquired childhood diseases. These miraculous defenses exist, in part, to keep invading microbes and viruses from taking hold in the deeper systems and organs of the body."But vaccines, which contain both live and dead viruses, killed bacteria, genetically engineered DNA and chemical preservatives, are injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing the natural immune response. This deprives the body of the ability to naturally develop life-long immunity in all its multifaceted complexity to normal childhood diseases like measles, mumps, and chicken pox. Mass vaccination is a manmade attempt to remove the natural infection response from human development and replace it with a series of artificially imposed infections and immune responses determined by the doctor's vaccination schedule.Thirty years ago, children received a total of four vaccines, but today a fully vaccinated child receives a whopping 37-50 vaccines during the early, formative years of life, when his developing immune system is most vunerable. Even an adult immune system would be challenged by so many vaccines given during such a short period of time. While unvaccinated children will never develop every disease for which children are given a vaccine, their bodies are forced by the Center for Disease Control's vaccination schedule to respond to them all. Furthermore, the DPT vaccine forces an immune response to diptheria, tetanus, and pertussis on the same day, an event that would never happen in real life. Plus there are virtually no studies or scientific research on the effects of multiple viral and bacterial vaccines given in combination or in close succession, and how they affect the human body."With our DS kids already having lowered immune responses, it doesn't seem a good idea to inject all that unnatural stuff into their bloodstreams. When I got to baby # 6, I quit getting vaccines. Number 6, 7, and 8 have never been to a doctor or hospital (excepting one buckle-fractured wrist)! But (DS and a CHD known as Ebstein's Anomaly with an ASD and a VSD) had to have a pediatrician. And his ped was concerned that if he contracted something (like whooping cough), it could have serious consequences for his heart. I asked him what he thought was the most important vaccine. He rated DPT as the most important, with the pnuemococcal conjugate as the second most important. So, I finally relented; but I only allowed one vaccine at a time and never more than one in any given month and only when was healthy. had to get the Synagis injections every month during RSV season, so we didn't do vaccines during those months. He is now finished with those 2 vaccine series. And, at this point, I don't plan on him getting any of the others. We homeschool, so I don't have the requirement for school enrollment issue.By the way, we are going to take to get his ears rechecked and assessed. Dh and I were not in total agreement to whom we were going to take him. 's ped agreed with me that we should take him to the children's hospital to the ENT with lots of experience with DS, even though it is a bit further. Wow! My post sure did generate lots of discussion!! I guess I'll have to let you all know the outcome. Thanks for your concern, all who responded.GOD's BEST!>> No one has the answer to that!!> No one even agrees if the MMR has anything at all to do with ASD.... so you are on your own.> > Kids with DS can develop ASD later in life too. There is evidence that ASD is caused by a genitic problem in the brain, not external problems.> > I waited til was 6 and in the peak of health to have it done. > I wouldn't let them do another thing with the MMR either. Why risk it when it's so easy not to?> > That's the best I can do. Everyone does it differently, lots of people just followed the typical schedule and had no problems either.> > > Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1> Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.

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Hi Ana, I would like to comment on some things in your post. Vaccines-"are injected directly into the bloodstream, by-passing the natural immune

response." This is not an accurate statement. I don't know of any vaccine that is injected directly into a vein, I think if that happened it would cause a serious reaction. The vaccines are injected IM -Intra muscular- in the muscle and do not by-pass our immune system at all. If getting scratched or jabbed by passed our immune system, we would all die from each and every scratch or wound.Killed virus is less potent then a live virus, which is why killed is always given to immune suppressed people. The body still builds immunity to it, but may not be as powerful as a full blown case, this is true. But then there are people who have gotten diseases and managed to get them twice. There is no guarantee in biology. Vaccines BOOST immunity as does being exposed to bacteria and virus' in the environment. Also if you have an immune suppressed person and they get the disease, how do you think they are going to fight it off? A healthy person would

stand a much better chance, but one who is starting with a negative immune response are exactly the people who are the first to succumb to these diseases. Even if immunity was not 100%, their body would have at least started the response and will have a better chance at fighting it off. Who would want to risk a true low immune system to such an assault on it, when you could give it a head start at the very least with a vaccination, or avoid it altogether.A person's body is exposed to billions of things they build immunity to each and every day of our lives. A kids in school is being bombarded, and until they manage exposure to most of the commons bugs we live with, they are going to be sick more often. There have been studies that children who are the youngest sibs of large families ( they score even higher if the older sibs were mostly boys) have the *best* immune systems because they have been exposed from early on. That would be ME. :-) And I can

tell you compared to my only child dh who's mother was afraid of any kind of dirt, it's pretty obvious.The more you read about immunity, the more these statements simply don't make medical/biological sense.http://www.apologia.com/vaccines/vac_immune.htmlThis sites a lot of Offit's work, which the anti's say is biased, but it's pretty easy to cross reference with any medical book regarding immunity. I think there would be more fact if people claimed it cause auto-immune issues from reving up the immune response too much.... but that is not true either. See the studies.http://www.pathguy.com/antiimmu.htmAnother good site Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: <ninepreciousgiftsfromgod@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:44:27 PMSubject: Re: MMR vaccinations

Bypassing for a moment the debate of whether immunizations are to

blame for things like SID, autism, and ASD, these paragraphs from an

article on vaccination in a "Wise Traditions" magazine have

influenced me:

"When a baby becomes infected with a communicable disease, his

immune system responds through a sophisticated web of interlocking

reactions that can produce immunity for life to naturally acquired

childhood diseases. These miraculous defenses exist, in part, to

keep invading microbes and viruses from taking hold in the deeper

systems and organs of the body.

"But vaccines, which contain both live and dead viruses, killed

bacteria, genetically engineered DNA and chemical preservatives, are

injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing the natural immune

response. This deprives the body of the ability to naturally develop

life-long immunity in all its multifaceted complexity to normal

childhood diseases like measles, mumps, and chicken pox. Mass

vaccination is a manmade attempt to remove the natural infection

response from human development and replace it with a series of

artificially imposed infections and immune responses determined by

the doctor's vaccination schedule.

Thirty years ago, children received a total of four vaccines, but

today a fully vaccinated child receives a whopping 37-50 vaccines

during the early, formative years of life, when his developing

immune system is most vunerable. Even an adult immune system would

be challenged by so many vaccines given during such a short period

of time. While unvaccinated children will never develop every

disease for which children are given a vaccine, their bodies are

forced by the Center for Disease Control's vaccination schedule to

respond to them all. Furthermore, the DPT vaccine forces an immune

response to diptheria, tetanus, and pertussis on the same day, an

event that would never happen in real life. Plus there are virtually

no studies or scientific research on the effects of multiple viral

and bacterial vaccines given in combination or in close succession,

and how they affect the human body."

With our DS kids already having lowered immune responses, it doesn't

seem a good idea to inject all that unnatural stuff into their

bloodstreams. When I got to baby # 6, I quit getting vaccines.

Number 6, 7, and 8 have never been to a doctor or hospital

(excepting one buckle-fractured wrist)! But (DS and a CHD

known as Ebstein's Anomaly with an ASD and a VSD) had to have a

pediatrician. And his ped was concerned that if he contracted

something (like whooping cough), it could have serious consequences

for his heart. I asked him what he thought was the most important

vaccine. He rated DPT as the most important, with the pnuemococcal

conjugate as the second most important. So, I finally relented; but

I only allowed one vaccine at a time and never more than one in any

given month and only when was healthy. had to get the

Synagis injections every month during RSV season, so we didn't do

vaccines during those months. He is now finished with those 2

vaccine series. And, at this point, I don't plan on him getting any

of the others. We homeschool, so I don't have the requirement for

school enrollment issue.

By the way, we are going to take to get his ears rechecked

and assessed. Dh and I were not in total agreement to whom we were

going to take him. 's ped agreed with me that we should take

him to the children's hospital to the ENT with lots of experience

with DS, even though it is a bit further.

Wow! My post sure did generate lots of discussion!! I guess I'll

have to let you all know the outcome. Thanks for your concern, all

who responded.

GOD's BEST!

>

> No one has the answer to that!!

> No one even agrees if the MMR has anything at all to do with

ASD.... so you are on your own.

>

> Kids with DS can develop ASD later in life too. There is evidence

that ASD is caused by a genitic problem in the brain, not external

problems.

>

> I waited til was 6 and in the peak of health to have it

done.

> I wouldn't let them do another thing with the MMR either. Why risk

it when it's so easy not to?

>

> That's the best I can do. Everyone does it differently, lots of

people just followed the typical schedule and had no problems either.

>

>

> Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1

> Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS,

Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.

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Q wrote:"The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it -

1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria

2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)

3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it!"Synagsis is not for the flu- it's for RSV ( respiratory syncytial virus ) and needs to be given each month during the season. It's very commonly given to children with heart defects or airway problems and it is very effective, though as always, not 100%. It can be a lifesaver for children with low O2 sats or compromised airways.You are correct that the flu shot isn't always accurate and it amazes me how many times they DO get it right!!! They have to chose the virus early while it's still over in Asia somewhere.... where all flu bugs start I guess. It's only meant to prevent one flu strain and no other claims have been made otherwise.

The shot Priscilla posted about wasn't even identified and was implied that it was something experimental, nothing was said about the flu shot.The disease you are thinking about is : Guillain-Barré Syndrome

(GBS)

Q & A: Flu Vaccines

What is GBS?

Guillain-Barré (pronounced ghee-YAN bah-RAY) syndrome is a

disease in which the body damages its own nerve cells (outside of the brain

and spinal cord), resulting in muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS

can last for weeks to months. Most people eventually recover completely or

nearly completely, but some people have permanent nerve damage and between

5% and 6% of people who develop GBS die. GBS affects people of both sexes and

all ages, and has been reported in all races.

What causes GBS?

It is thought that GBS may be triggered by an infection. The infection that

most commonly precedes GBS is caused by a bacterium called Campylobacter

jejuni. Other respiratory or intestinal illnesses and other triggers

may also precede an episode of GBS. In 1976, vaccination with the swine flu

vaccine was associated with getting GBS. Several studies have been done to

evaluate if other flu vaccines since 1976 were associated with GBS. Only one

of the studies showed an association. That study suggested that one person

out of 1 million vaccinated persons may be at risk of GBS associated with the

vaccine. Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: Qadoshyah <feargod@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:05:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: MMR vaccinations

I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it -

1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria

2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)

3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it!

Just my .02 ,

QadoshyahGot Down Syndrome?www.gotdownsyndrome .netBlog: http://gotdownsyndr ome.blogspot. com

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Oops, sorry! Thanks.

Regarding the article Priscilla posted - It was stated that it was a mystery shot. But, later on in the article, it said it was the flu shot - "Eleven months later, her son's medical records were mysteriously changed with a handwritten notation indicating that the mystery shot was a flu vaccine."

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I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it -

1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria

2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)

3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it!

Just my .02 ,

QadoshyahGot Down Syndrome?www.gotdownsyndrome .netBlog: http://gotdownsyndr ome.blogspot. com

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But, was it really a flu shot, or an experimental flu shot, or an experimental whatever???????????

On 5/17/07 9:17 PM, " Qadoshyah " <feargod@...> wrote:

Oops, sorry! Thanks.

Regarding the article Priscilla posted - It was stated that it was a mystery shot. But, later on in the article, it said it was the flu shot - " Eleven months later, her son's medical records were mysteriously changed with a handwritten notation indicating that the mystery shot was a flu vaccine. "

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Re: Re: MMR vaccinations

I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it -

1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria

2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)

3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it!

Just my .02 ,

Qadoshyah

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All I know is what the article stated, it was a flu shot. Whether it was experimental or not, I don't know.

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Re: Re: MMR vaccinations I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it - 1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria 2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it! Just my .02 ,QadoshyahGot Down Syndrome?www.gotdownsyndrome .net <http://www.gotdownsyndrome.net> Blog: http://gotdownsyndr ome.blogspot. com <http://gotdownsyndrome.blogspot.com> <http://www.atruechurch.info>

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The govt hadn't filled in anything for the original shot with the implication being they were hiding something. So when questions were raised, someone went back and filled in 'flu shot' well after the fact in an effort to cover their tracks as to the REAL shot given.They used 'flu shot' as their cover. There is no evidence anywhere that the flu shot will cause such serious damage. Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see

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<feargod@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:18:26 AMSubject: Re: Re: MMR vaccinations

All I know is what the article stated, it was a flu shot. Whether it was experimental or not, I don't know.

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Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Re: MMR vaccinations I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it - 1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria 2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it! Just my .02 ,QadoshyahGot Down Syndrome?www.gotdownsyndrome .net <http://www.gotdowns yndrome.net> Blog: http://gotdownsyndr ome.blogspot. com <http://gotdownsyndr ome.blogspot. com> <http://www.atruechu rch.info>

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That was my implication, but I didn’t say it as well as Carol

On 5/18/07 11:08 AM, " Carol in IL " <ps1272000@...> wrote:

The govt hadn't filled in anything for the original shot with the implication being they were hiding something. So when questions were raised, someone went back and filled in 'flu shot' well after the fact in an effort to cover their tracks as to the REAL shot given.

They used 'flu shot' as their cover. There is no evidence anywhere that the flu shot will cause such serious damage.

Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1

Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.

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Join our Down Syndrome information group -

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Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Re: MMR vaccinations

I agree with what you wrote below, . We have dealt with the subject of vaccines a few times! None of the kids in our family have gotten any vaccinations. That's just the way it has always been. When my brother came along though, he had a pediatrician (unlike any other kid in our house). The doctors asked my mom about vaccinations for my brother when he was a few months old. Since it had been a long time (16 years or so) since she had looked at the vaccine issue in depth, she told them she would look at it again and get back to them. She finally looked at it again and came up to the same conclusion as she had before - not to vaccinate. They asked us again at the next appointment and my mom gave them an ear-ful! She went on and on about how bad they are (in our opinion) and why would we want to give these to a child with an already impaired immune system?!?! They didn't have anything to say and we didn't hear another peep about vaccines from them after that. My brother at the time did have an impaired immune system and I think they knew that, but vaccines are the norm to them. The one vaccine that they still wanted us to give him was the Synagsis (flu shot). I've done some reading/research on the flu shot and it -

1) isn't always effective (have studies that show this) and we know it doesn't cover every flu virus/bacteria

2) can cause neurological problems (there's a name for the disease it can cause, but I can't remember how to spell it right now!)

3) can also cause other problems. Did you just see that post that Priscilla posted about the Marine who was given a flu shot and now has kidney failure from it!

Just my .02 ,

Qadoshyah

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I got the impression from the article (and from other similar stories

of military vaccines) that we mere mortals (including the soldiers)

will probably never know what kind of shot this was. I believe if

the anecdotes are true from thousands of soldiers, that they have

received experimental vaccines many times. The article indicated

there was nothing in several of the soldiers records about a shot but

the soldiers all said they got one and then to cover themselves, the

government (or someone) wrote in flu shot way after the fact. Sounds

fishy to me and I doubt it was a flu shot. That said, I don't do flu

shots either --not effective, side effects, mercury, etc. One

prominent researcher says the more flu shots you have, the more

likely you are to get Alzheimer's.

My husband is a Vietnam veteran. He wonders if he has fared better,

neurologically speaking, etc. because he never returned to get the

shots they were supposed to get upon returning to this country. Some

of the guys he was with have big problems. And of course there are

all the Desert Storm veterans and their problems too.

Still praying the truth comes out.

Priscilla K

>>>>>>>>>> Re: MMR vaccinations

Posted by: " Beverly Spurlock " spurzoo5@...

spurzoo5

Thu May 17, 2007 6:53 pm (PST) But, was

it really a flu shot, or an experimental flu shot, or an

experimental whatever???????????

On 5/17/07 9:17 PM, " Qadoshyah " <feargod@...> wrote:

>

> Regarding the article Priscilla posted - It was stated that it was

a mystery

> shot. But, later on in the article, it said it was the flu shot -

" Eleven

> months later, her son's medical records were mysteriously changed

with a

> handwritten notation indicating that the mystery shot was a flu

vaccine. "

>

>

> Qadoshyah>>>>>>>>

Priscilla Kendrick, married 29 years to Darrel and parents of 9 kids including

Evan, 11, born with Down Syndrome and Spina Bifida

" My strength is made perfect in weakness. "

" My grace is sufficient. " II Corinthians 12:9 KJV

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