Question about inclusion

[Guest guest]

My son is 14 and is partially included also at school. Like CK's son,

that's where it starts and ends for him. He never gets invited anywhere and

I think he is finally at the stage where he's catching on to this. Last week

my kids were on spring break and my other two had many choices of friends to

be with, but not . What I have always done is opened my door for others

to come here and have hang with my other children's playmates. This

works pretty well but I often wish had his own friends. Like , my

husband and I are usually his entertainment.

I have also invited other special needs children here that attends

school with, but to be perfectly honest, it's added stress because is

very well behaved and I can totally trust him to stay around the house, he

has NEVER wandered away. But the other children who visit require my

constant attention because they are not as self-sufficient as . Of

course I make the sacrifice for 's sake occasionally, but it is hard to

find the time to do that in our hectic lives. I had hoped that these visits

would be recipricated by the other parents, but other than once or twice, it

hasn't......and I believe it's for the very reason I mentioned.....it's added

work.

I do have involved with several Special Olympic activities and also some

sports activities through our local Easter Seals, which he enjoys. My only

problem with the SO activity is that it is mostly adults who seem to be way

more involved than and they have nothing at all in common. Fortunately

my husband and I are very social people and have friends here or get invited

to their homes almost once every weekend, and their children are around

and treat him as one of them. That is my saving grace most times!

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/1/2002 5:38:05 AM Central Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> I have also invited other special needs children here that attends

> school with, but to be perfectly honest, it's added stress because is

> very well behaved and I can totally trust him to stay around the house, he

> has NEVER wandered away. But the other children who visit require my

> constant attention because they are not as self-sufficient as . Of

> course I make the sacrifice for 's sake occasionally, but it is hard to

> find the time to do that in our hectic lives. I had hoped that these

> visits

> would be recipricated by the other parents, but other than once or twice,

> it

> hasn't......and I believe it's for the very reason I mentioned.....it's

> added

> work.

Hi Jackie

I have one of those kids who would be work to watch lol Sooooo I have Sara's

friends over here. In fact she wont take off if she has friends here. I live

in an area where moms have hectic schedules...not for themselves but for

their busy kids. A lot are involved in sports, the arts and church

activities. My 12 yr. old is one of them lol Sara is a lot like me in the old

days, she plays with the kids on her street, two boys are in her class and

the girls go to PV schools but they all come knocking at our door for Sara.

The only thing is I have to sit outside when she's playing outside........she

might take off from them lol

Sara gets invited to kids homes but Im the one who declines. I explain to the

moms that Sara is not ready for that..........Im tooooo scared to let her go

Summers are great here because with the pool, the kids are always around.

Sara does have a best friend... who has ds and is in 3rd grade at her

school She's been around since EI and they make quite a pair.

Soooooo she does have the balance folks are looking for and Ive never seen

Sara lonely. I also don't foresee her being lonely, with her having a friend

like and the way the kids here interact with her she can only move

forward. I don't put a lot into the quantity of friends but I do the quality

Kathy mom to Sara 10.........who feels very fortunate right now

[Guest guest]

Maverick is fully included at school, but not overly included socially. He

has been invited to a few parties, but not many. The other day some kids

came over to play with him that were at school and he joined them when they

were bike riding. They all ended up in his bedroom playing with matchbox

cars, but this is rare. Usually, if Maverick has friends over it's because I

arrange it. He always has many kids at his bday parties...sp needs and

typical, but we usually do a bowling thing where all kids can enjoy it.

Often if he has friends over they end up playing with his older brother...

Right now I am having major problems with a girl who is Mav's age, but has a

crush on his brother. Whenever her brother who also has ds is invited over,

she tags along and she does not like Maverick and there is always a problem.

When I try to talk to her mom about it, she says that her daughter just

doesn't know how to act with Maverick. I tell her to just act like he is a

boy!!!??? I am at the point now that I am not going to be able to allow HER

to come over if I am not able to be there to moniter things, which will be

sad for all 3 boys involved, because if she isn't around my boys and her son

enjoy each other, and her son sits home and plays nintendo alone all day if

he isn't invited over here. But if they are all together, Mav gets picked on

and reacts to it.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/1/02 8:58:18 AM Central Standard Time,

loulisa8184@... writes:

> I'm still in the process of fighting for full Inclusion for my daughter and

> the Asst director of Sp. Ed is now saying that an assistant can't instruct

> her in a Regular ED. How is it that other children are in Reg.Ed without

> being instructed by an assistant? I think they are trying any excuse to not

> include It is getting very frustating and I'm getting louder at

> every meeting!

> I'd appreciate any help!

> Mom to , 8 , (who enjoys being in her Reg ed classroom for the

> little bit of time they allow her in)

>

I would look up an inclusion specialist to come to a meeting and enlighten

them.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

I'm still in the process of fighting for full Inclusion for my daughter and the

Asst director of Sp. Ed is now saying that an assistant can't instruct her in a

Regular ED. How is it that other children are in Reg.Ed without being instructed

by an assistant? I think they are trying any excuse to not include

It is getting very frustating and I'm getting louder at every meeting!

I'd appreciate any help!

Mom to , 8 , (who enjoys being in her Reg ed classroom for the

little bit of time they allow her in)

b4alltoday@... wrote: In a message dated 4/1/2002 5:38:05 AM Central

Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> I have also invited other special needs children here that attends

> school with, but to be perfectly honest, it's added stress because is

> very well behaved and I can totally trust him to stay around the house, he

> has NEVER wandered away. But the other children who visit require my

> constant attention because they are not as self-sufficient as . Of

> course I make the sacrifice for 's sake occasionally, but it is hard to

> find the time to do that in our hectic lives. I had hoped that these

> visits

> would be recipricated by the other parents, but other than once or twice,

> it

> hasn't......and I believe it's for the very reason I mentioned.....it's

> added

> work.

Hi Jackie

I have one of those kids who would be work to watch lol Sooooo I have Sara's

friends over here. In fact she wont take off if she has friends here. I live

in an area where moms have hectic schedules...not for themselves but for

their busy kids. A lot are involved in sports, the arts and church

activities. My 12 yr. old is one of them lol Sara is a lot like me in the old

days, she plays with the kids on her street, two boys are in her class and

the girls go to PV schools but they all come knocking at our door for Sara.

The only thing is I have to sit outside when she's playing outside........she

might take off from them lol

Sara gets invited to kids homes but Im the one who declines. I explain to the

moms that Sara is not ready for that..........Im tooooo scared to let her go

Summers are great here because with the pool, the kids are always around.

Sara does have a best friend... who has ds and is in 3rd grade at her

school She's been around since EI and they make quite a pair.

Soooooo she does have the balance folks are looking for and Ive never seen

Sara lonely. I also don't foresee her being lonely, with her having a friend

like and the way the kids here interact with her she can only move

forward. I don't put a lot into the quantity of friends but I do the quality

Kathy mom to Sara 10.........who feels very fortunate right now

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/1/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcburg@...

writes:

> BTW, Cor's Aide not only " implements " she has also had to modify everything

> herself and hunt the building down for materials!!!

>

Ain't THIS the truth in the great majority of cases!!! (at least where I

live.....)

[Guest guest]

>the Asst director of Sp. Ed is now saying that an assistant can't instruct

> her in a Regular ED. How is it that other children are in Reg.Ed without

> being instructed by an assistant?

I just learned the answer to your question in Corrie's meeting. The aide is

not instructing, she's implementing the instruction set up by the Sped teacher

and the classroom teacher. Sound like a crock of BS? Yeah, it did to me too. But

that was the phrase used to cover the butt of the sped teacher who has not done

anything this year except figure out how many minutes she spent talking to

related service providers about the behavior chart she made for Corrie LAST

year!

Sorry, but I'm frustrated and angry about how our meeting went this A.M.

Anyway, there's your answer: The aide doesn't teach, she implements.

B

BTW, Cor's Aide not only " implements " she has also had to modify everything

herself and hunt the building down for materials!!!

Re: Question about inclusion

In a message dated 4/1/02 8:58:18 AM Central Standard Time,

loulisa8184@... writes:

> I'm still in the process of fighting for full Inclusion for my daughter and

> the Asst director of Sp. Ed is now saying that an assistant can't instruct

> her in a Regular ED. How is it that other children are in Reg.Ed without

> being instructed by an assistant? I think they are trying any excuse to not

> include It is getting very frustating and I'm getting louder at

> every meeting!

> I'd appreciate any help!

> Mom to , 8 , (who enjoys being in her Reg ed classroom for the

> little bit of time they allow her in)

>

I would look up an inclusion specialist to come to a meeting and enlighten

them.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/22/2002 11:52:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

speechgate@... writes:

> how successful have your kids

> been when the teacher obviously does not believe in your children,

This is a challenge, but you need to teach the teacher. And she won't learn

any more quickly than your child is learning what she wants him to.

First of all, make sure that you have goals on your IEP that are attainable

and spelled out so that the teacher can understand what she is supposed to be

teaching.

Next, make sure that both the teacher and the aide know how to adapt the

work..and if they don't....you adapt it for them.

And, very important, make sure you have monthly inclusion meetings where you

go over each subject area and area's of concern. That is where the teacher

can say.....next we are going to work on X. What do we want Alec to get out

of it and how do we get him there? And you as a TEAM brainstorm and come up

with ideas.

Not only does the monthly meeting help with problem areas and goals, it keeps

the team as a TEAM and problems can get aired and taken care of then, rather

then festering until the next IEP meeting.

I have a Language Arts/Social Studies teacher who is very willing to have

Maverick in his class. He responds well to Maverick and Maverick enjoys the

class. BUT, he sent home the same Egyptian packet for Mav that he sent home

for the rest of the 6th grade with instructions to " work on it. " Well, after

ranting and raving, I finally wrote up some goals and projects within his

packet that were doable for Maverick. I sent them in and asked the teacher

what HE thought of them and if he felt we could do something like that. He

was SO relieved.... he had no idea HOW to make it work for Mav......even tho

he was willing to try.

We ARE the teachers, except for a few instances, our kids are the first and

it's alot of trial and error.

My husband always says that Mav will win them over, and he does! Just by

being himself...and having the desire to be like all the other kids!

Hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/22/2002 1:50:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, speechgate

writes:

> But, my question is how successful have your kids

> been when the teacher obviously does not believe in your

> children, even after

> a semester?

That's a HUGE problem for us.

The resource teacher keeps saying " can't " do many things that I know she

has been doing for years.

The behavioral specialist has modified this to " she won't in the classroom "

The aide says " she's doing some of it "

There is a big disconnect in our IEP meetings...

- Becky

[Guest guest]

We've been pretty lucky and have never had a teacher who didn't want to try. We

have also stayed on top of the situation and given home support whenever

necessary. We have also bought books for teachers like " Teaching Reading.... "

etc. Why isn't the block in the regular classroom? Is this a more advanced

sped room? The teacher with whom I work teaches LD but she is Interrelated,

(qualified to teach it all) and she has taught kids with DS before. I bet she

wouldn't mind this a bit. Maybe you could see if another teacher would be

better.

Elaine

question about inclusion

hi all,

i have some questions and know that i can count on this group to help. ALec

is in an EMh class. This year, we decided to send him to the LD pull out

class for the 2 hour language block. There is an aide that goes with him to

help out in the class. The LD teacher does not believe that alec should be

in the class. Alec has not done well on the testing that is done in the

class and will probably get Ds and Cs on his report card. To the teacher,

this is evidence that he does not belong.Yes, Alec has every right to be in

that class, and we can fight for him to stay there with appropriate

modifications and supports But, my question is how successful have your kids

been when the teacher obviously does not believe in your children, even after

a semester?

thanks

Lori mom to Alec (10DS) and le (14-teenager)