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In a message dated 1/8/02 9:47:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> HI :)

>

> I was going over Sara's work that was sent home from school yesterday and I

>

> see they have started cursive writing with her. Soooooo I checked her IEP

> report card that was sent home yesterday too and yes she's mastered

> printing

> her letters. Now Sara's printing letters needs some refining lol kind of

> messy and sometimes not all of the same size letters lol soooo what I'm

> wondering is should they continue to work on printing quality or should

> they

> move on to cursive? or should they do both? if any of you could see my

> actual

> cursive writing you will know why I really want more quality in Sara's

> writing lol I should have had an IEP in grade school (grew up with hives on

>

> my hands) because my penmanship is awful heehee worse than my typing :)

>

> NO where is Sara's IEP does it address cursive either :)

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 10

>

Kathy,

Some kids do better with Cursive than manuscript because of the flow and not

having to start and stop. It is the opposite for others. Practicing cursive

should improve her manuscript some since she is practicing controlling the

pencil on the paper to make the letters.

Of course, you know your daughter best and if you want to focus on just

manuscript and don't feel she has mastered it then go for it.

Karyn

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In a message dated 1/8/2002 12:46:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> NO where is Sara's IEP does it address cursive either :)

>

Do you know how Sara feels about cursive? If she is not frustrated by what

she is learning, I would add it to the IEP and make sure they are allowing

most of her assignments to be printed, as reinforcement to improve the

quality of her printing and then just have exercises for the cursive, until

she gets good enough to actually do some of her work in it.

Cheryl in VA

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I myself do not understand the teaching of cursive...you don't really need it

to complete any functions in your life. Of course I did receive an email

earlier that stated sometimes it helps with the finer motor skills of

writing, so that is a good point. Couldn't the teachers be spending those

precious few moments on expanding their vocabulary or increasing their math

skills or just letting them read?

Joede mom to Coree (8DS) and Emory (1NDS)

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Kathy,

I found that when they started cursive in 3rd grade, it was really hard for

amanda. we went with it for awhile to see how she did and it was getting

worse. Instead, during cursive, she was word processing on the computer in

the classroom!

This year because shes in 5th and most assignments are due in script, i had

it put into the IEP, that she would NOT do script. she can read it ok.

i think you should try it for a few months, without frustrating sara.

Because sometimes the flow of script just goes faster. If you see its too

much for her, then stop it.

can print fine and has great computer skills. She types all her

papers herself and she just started writing her name in script!

~ Mom to 11 DS and 7 NY

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In a message dated 1/8/2002 10:28:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rndasie writes:

> Couldn't the teachers be spending those precious few moments on expanding

> their vocabulary or increasing their math skills or just letting them read?

>

I personally do not think learning cursive writing should take precedence

over the things you have just mentioned. Cursive is almost obsolete,

keyboarding is probably used more than cursive writing is, IMO! My daughter

taught herself to write cursive by practicing at home but she rarely uses it.

She prints everything and has excellent printing, always gets compliments on

it. She fills out a great job application! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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kathy,

I forgot, there's a book " Teaching Handwriting to Children with DS " same as

the teaching reading book. might want to take a look at it.

Also i know many adults who dont write in cursive. My dh is one!

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writes better cursive than I do, which isn't saying much, but

I don't remember just when he started. It was in school of course. He often

copies recipes, etc. in cursive and then types them into the computer.

seems a lot of effort to me but he seems to like it.

Another thing I've meant to comment on. Repeating IQ tests every few

years seems silly to me. Anyone can have a low score because of having an

off day, not feeling well, you name it. But if the test is reliable ?????

and done right ????, it shouldn't change much. If you want to know what the

person is learning or how he is progressing, use educational tests, not IQ

tests. And all an IQ test really shows is how well you can do on IQ tests.

Not another darn thing. I scored 175 on one a few years ago and that is

ridiculous, I am certainly no genius. I know that better than anyone.

Jessie

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I TOTALLY agree with . Unless a child wants to write in

cursive, or it improves other writing skills, it's pretty much one

of those things you can live your life without (with the exception

of signing your name). My DH and I were talking about this in

regards to curriculum modifications in the future.... I will have the IEP

state will use that cursive time to either improve her

printing skills or learn keyboard skills. Of course, she needs to learn

to print first :-) That is my " mom " goal for this year, since the OT

wasn't keen on writing letters yet (she can't cross visual midline, blah,

blah, blah). We decided not to have it in her IEP, but after the OT

left, I made a bet with the teachers that would be printing

her name by next year's IEP. I always like to have sometime to

shock them with :-)

> Kathy,

> I found that when they started cursive in 3rd grade, it was really hard

for

> amanda. we went with it for awhile to see how she did and it was getting

> worse. Instead, during cursive, she was word processing on the computer

in

> the classroom!

>

> This year because shes in 5th and most assignments are due in script, i

had

> it put into the IEP, that she would NOT do script. she can read it ok.

>

> i think you should try it for a few months, without frustrating sara.

> Because sometimes the flow of script just goes faster. If you see its too

> much for her, then stop it.

>

> can print fine and has great computer skills. She types all her

> papers herself and she just started writing her name in script!

>

> ~ Mom to 11 DS and 7 NY

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In a message dated 1/8/2002 11:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wildwards@... writes:

<< I personally do not think learning cursive writing should take

precedence

over the things you have just mentioned. Cursive is almost obsolete,

keyboarding is probably used more than cursive writing is, IMO! >>

That reminds me of an old boyfriend of mine who's teachers provided him with

a typewriter in class (in law school) so they could read the answers to test

questions. This was back in the dark ages before computers fit on a desk or

a lap!

Kathy, Liam's mom (3 1/2)

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In a message dated 1/9/2002 3:24:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mom2lfm@...

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> (in law school)

Well, we know they don't do that in medical school, don't we! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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