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His e-mail address is on the front page of his website

(http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/index.html) so I guess he

expects parents to write to him!

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> Hi

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> You mentioned that you emailed Dr. Penzel? Where did you find his

email

> address.....would you be willing to share it? I had a question also

for him about

> his article on OCD and Inositol. I tried emailing to an address I

found when

> I googled his name, but is was sent back to me, unknown address.

Thanks so

> much! Kath

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Hi Kath,

I've always just used the email on the website:

http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/index.html

I saw your question on inositol and how long to try. When we tried

it, I figured I'd give it a 12-week try. You've got the building up

period, say 6 weeks, so that gives an additional 6 week at your

target dosage/day. We actually were at around 13.5 grams/day for

(tho he could take more when he asked for it). Our inositol

was 845mg per 1/4 tsp so that was .845 x 4 = 3.38 grams per tsp x 4

tsp per day = 13.52.

's OCD had just begun that year and when we started inositol

his OCD seemed it might be getting worse. So I didn't know if OCD

was getting worse on its own or due to having several bad OCD days

(and inositol doing nothing at all) or if inositol might be

increasing it. But I recalled reading that sometimes symptoms get

worse at first on prescribed medication and we hung in there and

things seemed to ease up a tiny bit. And then the longer he was on

it, the more improvement he had. That was WAY back right before he

turned 12. He's 18 now and we tried inositol again this past spring

but no help this time.

Keep us updated on how things are going!

>

> Hi

>

> You mentioned that you emailed Dr. Penzel? Where did you find his

email

> address.....would you be willing to share it? I had a question

also for him about

> his article on OCD and Inositol. I tried emailing to an address I

found when

> I googled his name, but is was sent back to me, unknown address.

Thanks so

> much! Kath

>

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Thanks and !

I emailed Dr. Penzel and much to my surprise he wrote back just 2 hours

later! He also agreed that 1 tsp (500 mg) 3x a day would be the max dose for

her

age. And once we work up to that dose we should give it another 2-3 weeks. To

tell you the truth, I don't think that we can wait that long. She is having

a terrible time with anxiety and more OCD symptoms since being off the Prozac.

I'm not sure what we will do. This is the worst its been since first being

diagnosed 3 years ago. I'm so concerned and discouraged! I'm thinking about

putting her back on a low dose of prozac just to take the edge off, then pray

that I find someone who knows what they are doing. There are so many herbs and

amino acids that look promising, but since prozac is still in her system, her

psychiatrist is very leary of combining. He just has no experience with

natural remedies and now he made me afraid to try any of them for at least a

month

(which is the 1/2 life of prozac). We don't have that kind of time.......Oh,

I'm so discouraged. I wish I could take this away from her. As mothers, we

can bandage a cut, wipe their tears, console when their friends hurt

them......but this OCD monster is so terrible! Thanks for " listening " . This is

the

only place I can go where I know others are going through the same thing!!

Kath

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Thanks and !

I emailed Dr. Penzel and much to my surprise he wrote back just 2 hours

later! He also agreed that 1 tsp (500 mg) 3x a day would be the max dose for

her

age. And once we work up to that dose we should give it another 2-3 weeks. To

tell you the truth, I don't think that we can wait that long. She is having

a terrible time with anxiety and more OCD symptoms since being off the Prozac.

I'm not sure what we will do. This is the worst its been since first being

diagnosed 3 years ago. I'm so concerned and discouraged! I'm thinking about

putting her back on a low dose of prozac just to take the edge off, then pray

that I find someone who knows what they are doing. There are so many herbs and

amino acids that look promising, but since prozac is still in her system, her

psychiatrist is very leary of combining. He just has no experience with

natural remedies and now he made me afraid to try any of them for at least a

month

(which is the 1/2 life of prozac). We don't have that kind of time.......Oh,

I'm so discouraged. I wish I could take this away from her. As mothers, we

can bandage a cut, wipe their tears, console when their friends hurt

them......but this OCD monster is so terrible! Thanks for " listening " . This is

the

only place I can go where I know others are going through the same thing!!

Kath

**************************************

See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

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Hi everyone and thank you for letting me participate for the next three days in

conversation on what is new in career planning for individuals with social

communication disorders. I am happy to answer any questions you may have.

Turning Pointe is very excited to partner with Walgreens and Office Max in new

pre-training models to place candidates in career settings. Yes, Walgreens did

pilot a program in Texas and they have learned a lot and are now ready to roll

this out into a national model. Walgreens has teamed up with Turning Pointe to

assist and develop the pre-training models. The first model will be here in

Naperville with the goal being to roll it out in other cities and states. This

is a long term plan and will take a period of time that has not yet been

determined.

Each pre-training environment is built and designed to place an individual in a

specific position with that given company. Certain tasks can be generalized but

we have designed the environments to instruct the tasks in a specific manner

that will prepare the candidate to be qualified for the position. Each company

has their own philosophy/concepts so turning Pointe adapts to the company’s

procedures so we are able to ensure a successful transition from the

pre-training environment to the work place. We initially looked into a

generalized training but have realized that the candidates needed

specialized/individualized training for each company. From a behavioral concept

if we generalized all of the skills/tasks it would be difficult for the

individual to receive a greater understanding of each task and the philosophy of

the company.

Office Max is very excited to join in from a retail and distribution component.

They have been pushing hard to get this initiative moving towards a national

model. I feel they will be a leader in the corporate world for reaching out to

individuals with disabilities. Their team is in this for the best interest of

the community and providing careers for people with disabilities.

Simler

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Owner/Consultant                                \

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Integrated Behavioral Systems, Inc.

www.integratedbehavioralsystems.com

 

Director of Career Development

Turning Pointe Autism Foundation

www.turningpointeaf.org 

 

Cell Phone Number: 630-212-2249

 

   

 

From: Jerue Family <jeruefamily@...>

Subject: Question for Chris

IPADDUnite

Date: Monday, November 14, 2011, 2:29 PM

 

Can you give us a big-picture kind of overview about Walgreens and how they came

to be doing this? Most of us know about their Distribution Center model (Randy

, , et al) and also we’d heard that they piloted a Retail Store

disability employment model down in Texas with some of their stores, correct? So

they are widening the scope of retail store employment now to include Naperville

and where else?

Did they learn lessons from that pilot about training for stores that has led to

development of this curriculum/internship concept? In other words, is the

curriculum infused with concepts/terminology/philosophy from these employers (is

it Walgreens or Office Max specific training) or is it more general good

workplace skills a person could take with them to any potential employer?

Thanks.

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Am forwarding on a question by another IPADD member. I'll be away from my

computer tomorrow for most of the day, so if others have questions for or

Turning Pointe, please be sure to post them tomorrow! thanks again for

your thoughtful replies to our questions. One more day folks and then he's back

to his day job. :) Here's the question:

How does this model translate to supporting these young adults to anticipate and

prepare for social interactions, work place changes, etc.. in the " real "

workplace location? I was under the impression that simulating a work place

setting does not promote the development of the skills necessary to manage in

the actual workplace. This model seems to be focused on work tasks, which is

good, but I thought most people with disabilities lose employment because of

soft skill type issues.

Isn't " place and train " in the integrated work environment the way to go? If

not, why?

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Candidates will have the opportunity to train in both environments. Our goal is

not to have them just train in the Turning Pointe environment but to also train

in the actual workplace. From a behavioral science point of view we have seen

great success beginning in a controlled environment (teaching the tasks) and

transitioning into the non controlled environment (the workplace). Social

communication can and will be instructed in both environments.

 

Social communication is the reason that over 90% of people on the spectrum have

lost their positions. This 90% is due to many factors. One component maybe the

lack of customer service but yet we have seen many individuals lose their jobs

because of the lack of understanding the daily communication that exists in the

workplace. Temple talks about the informal rules in the workplace. The best

people to teach the informal rules, direct lines of management and understanding

daily communication will be the Walgreens and Office Max staff in a controlled

environment. I feel we need to look at communication from many perspectives and

this will be taught best in both environments. We have performed social analyses

in all environments of the corporations to gain a greater understanding of each

workplace. The analyses also help us understand how the skills can be taught in

each environment.

Simler

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                                        \

                             

 

Owner/Consultant                                \

                                        \

                                      

Integrated Behavioral Systems, Inc.

www.integratedbehavioralsystems.com

 

Director of Career Development

Turning Pointe Autism Foundation

www.turningpointeaf.org 

 

Cell Phone Number: 630-212-2249

 

   

 

From: misslaur57 <jeruefamily@...>

Subject: Question for Chris

IPADDUnite

Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 2:58 AM

 

Am forwarding on a question by another IPADD member. I'll be away from my

computer tomorrow for most of the day, so if others have questions for or

Turning Pointe, please be sure to post them tomorrow! thanks again for

your thoughtful replies to our questions. One more day folks and then he's back

to his day job. :) Here's the question:

How does this model translate to supporting these young adults to anticipate and

prepare for social interactions, work place changes, etc.. in the " real "

workplace location? I was under the impression that simulating a work place

setting does not promote the development of the skills necessary to manage in

the actual workplace. This model seems to be focused on work tasks, which is

good, but I thought most people with disabilities lose employment because of

soft skill type issues.

Isn't " place and train " in the integrated work environment the way to go? If

not, why?

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Thank you, Chris. I am happy to see that there will be cross training, both in

a more structured environment and in the work place.

We will look forward to seeing outcome data. Hopefully all of your participants

will obtain competitive employment and be able to retain their jobs over a long

period of time.

I think we would all like to hear from you in a year, to see how things are

working.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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I would like to thank each of you for the opportunity to participate for the

last three days. We also thank you for all of your thoughts, ideas and

suggestions. We will make sure to keep these ideas in the forefronts of our

minds as we continue to plan and grow this program.

 

Thank you again,

Simler

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                                        \

                             

 

Director of Career Development

Turning Pointe Autism Foundation

www.turningpointeaf.org 

 

Cell Phone Number: 630-212-2249

 

   

 

From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...>

Subject: Re: Question for Chris

IPADDUnite

Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 1:00 PM

 

Thank you, Chris. I am happy to see that there will be cross training, both in a

more structured environment and in the work place.

We will look forward to seeing outcome data. Hopefully all of your participants

will obtain competitive employment and be able to retain their jobs over a long

period of time.

I think we would all like to hear from you in a year, to see how things are

working.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

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