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In a message dated 9/5/00 5:52:30 AM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< lmao well i just got a knock on my door....its ashtons " wagon driver "

ashton will be picked up at 845 am and dropped off at 851am and will be

riding with two other children in a wagon......which is a white taurus

station wagon....coool for me and it has AIR CONDITIONING...... lmao the

school has wagons they use for " medically fragile " children...heheheheh works

for me...... pays to bitch a little and to put the fear of GOD INTO

PEOPLE....i hope everyone else solves their bus problems.....take care leah

ps donna i will be up tonight thinking about you.......... take care and i

wish maddie and all the kids returning tomorrow lots of luck

pss mary, how is elie doing????????

>>

My foster son had too many behavior problems on the bus. Mostly an aide that

didn't know her stuff let him get some behaviors started. Anyway, he now

rides in a cab with just him and a driver. He leaves here and goes directly

to school. I have had to talk to the cab company about one of their drivers

and request a change but other than that they have been great. Our district

contracts with them for all the kids that can't " handle " a bus situation.

BTW, parent contract is constantly brought up to me but I resist since I know

he needs to practice doing things with other people. I'm also 8 months

pregnant and not about to haul us all around this winter.

Karyn

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In a message dated 9/6/00 8:16:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KVanRyzin@...

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<< I'm also 8 months

pregnant and not about to haul us all around this winter.

Karyn >>

Good idea Karyn!!! When are you due?

Donna

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In a message dated 9/6/00 1:47:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< < I'm also 8 months

pregnant and not about to haul us all around this winter.

Karyn >>

Good idea Karyn!!! When are you due?

Donna

>>

I'm due Nov. 3.

Karyn

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This is a very scarey issue - the transportation of our kids. Last year

when I was working full-time (I was CRAZY to think I could manage it ), our

worker was meeting Steph's taxi at 3:05 every day ( was at a daycare in

the p.m.). Well, there's a different driver every day & this one day, Lana

arrived at our house at 3:04 ( the taxi is supposed to pick Steph up at 3:00

& it's a 5 min. trip!). She saw the taxi pulling away from our house as she

was pulling into our drive & she saw Steph on our porch. Well, it was March

(still pretty cold) & Steph had pulled everything off from the waist down &

was sitting in the buff from the waist down on the porch. Lana was so

furious that she dressed Steph, put her into her car & drove imm. to the

Taxi Co. Office to put in a complaint. She told the dispatcher that that

particular driver was NEVER to drive again & that the next time

she would call F & CS (children's aid). We're so lucky to have Lana. She's

such a wonderful advocate. She followed this up with a written report which

she copied to the Taxi Co., the principal & the School Board Transportation

Dept. The driver in question was suspended!!!

Here in Ontario we have a thing called SEAC /Special Ed. Advisory

Committee. It's a committee that each Board of Ed. is mandated by law to

have. It consists of reps. from Parent Support Groups for all

exceptionalities. I sat on SEAC for 4 yrs. & we put through a

recommendation that all taxi companies & bus companies have a form on file

which gives a profile of our child (medical concerns, if they're verbal or

non-verb., etc.) I also have a card in Steph's knapsack pocket which has

all her emergency info. on it. This year our (age 7 ) is also in the

cab, so she can speak up if the guy's going to the wrong house or something,

but next year, Steph is off to high school & will be on her own again. I'm

really glad that Sara got home safely. The Chinese woman should have

refused to take Sara, but the way some of these drivers are, maybe she tried

to tell him that Sara wasn't hers & he didn't listen. Maybe she was in

better hands than with the bus driver. I wish we could all have someone

like Garry for our driver. Why do they have to send a different taxi driver

every day???

Gail - I'm so happy you can go the the gym meet. My daughter is

also in gymnastics & so far we've been able to spell each other off (dh &

I ). I understand exactly how you feel. I was try ing to figure out if I

could come & watch Seth for you (I'm only 3 hrs. away, remember?).

Cheryl in B.C. - We have a scanner, but we haven't figured out how to

use it yet, so you'll have to wait for the picture of Steph.

Welcome to Mireya, Rochelle & all the other new members. Rochelle,

my daughter is also 13 and is very low functioning in contrast to yours

(notice I said AND is low funct., not BUT). Looking forward to learning &

sharing with all of you. This list is SOOOOO great!

We see our new O.T. today at 3:30. I'm sooooo excited!

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Valarie,

Every bus has a profile of all the kids with family info, alternate person

who can pick up your kids, and medical info. If there were an accident, God

forbid, EMT's would need all this info. This happens on reg & spec. ed

buses. You also sign a form requiring the bus driver to see the parent

before dropping a child off.

& Garry, parents of (10 ds), (9 ds), JJ (7

ds/autism/celiac), (6 ds/ADHD/Celiac), and Esther (4 ds). All adopted.

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I've (luckily) never had any transportation problems with . There was one

time I went to the base exchange with my brother in law, expecting to be back in

plenty of time, only to get caught in a bomb threat. My van was parked right

next to the bomb squad van, so I COULDN'T leave until they searched evertything.

A lady over heard us talking, wondering what to do, and let us borrow her cell

phone to call my husband to go get him. Someone had to be there to pick up the

child at the bus, or they would take him back to the school.

In his previous school, there was a DS girl who apparently got on the wrong bus.

The bus driver didn't know what to do, so he took her to the police station.

Can you imagine getting that call? " Hi? This is the police station and we have

your daughter. " I would absolutely freak out. At least they had a phone number

to call, but I can just see the mom waiting and waiting, and the bus going by

and no daughter. Scary thought.

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In a message dated 3/20/01 2:50:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

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<< Gail - I'm so happy you can go the the gym meet. My daughter is

also in gymnastics & so far we've been able to spell each other off (dh &

I ). I understand exactly how you feel. I was try ing to figure out if I

could come & watch Seth for you (I'm only 3 hrs. away, remember?). >>

, where do you live, I forgot. Sorry. Is your daughter competing in

the Oswego meet this weekend? What level is she? Wouldn't that be cool if

we could meet at the meet! LOL How did the OT visit go?

Gail

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In a message dated 11/11/01 4:40:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> Maddie--meets are typically weekdays after school and I have to wait for her

>

Maddie comes home in a cab? That is interesting? How do you manage that?

No bus?

Diane

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In a message dated 11/11/01 6:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> Maddie comes home in a cab? That is interesting? How do you manage that?

> No bus?

> Diane

Hey Diane,

Philadelphia HAS to provide curb to curb transportation to Maddie (it's in

her IEP). Since her school is far, and there are no other kids that go

there near us, they contract with a cab company. The driver picks her up

each day, with an aide, and brings her home. Another little boy drives

with Maddie; he happens to be in her classroom. This is quite common here

actually. My niece (NDA), who lives across the street, is cabbed to school

too. All Philadelphia school children receive transportation to school up

until 7th grade. She goes to a private Catholic school (not arch-diocesan)

and since there's no one else nearby who goes there, she goes in a cab.

ALSO with an aide!!

Donna

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In a message dated 11/13/01 3:49:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> My niece (NDA), who lives across the street, is cabbed to school

> too. All Philadelphia school children receive transportation to school up

> until 7th grade. She goes to a private Catholic school (not

> arch-diocesan)

> and since there's no one else nearby who goes there, she goes in a cab.

> ALSO with an aide!!

> Donna

>

>

>

I love it!!!! A friend of mine with a DS child was having a busing problem

and I told her to tell them she could take a cab. I didn't really know of

anyone who got this perk! How far do you have to be away? I also didn't

realize that there are some Catholic schools who will do inclusion. Tell me

more please if you are comfortable with telling me. We don't live in

Philadelphia but it seems to work for you. Are you out in the countryside?

Does that question sound silly?

Diane

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In a message dated 11/13/01 8:01:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> I love it!!!! A friend of mine with a DS child was having a busing problem

> and I told her to tell them she could take a cab. I didn't really know of

> anyone who got this perk! How far do you have to be away? I also didn't

> realize that there are some Catholic schools who will do inclusion. Tell me

> more please if you are comfortable with telling me. We don't live in

> Philadelphia but it seems to work for you. Are you out in the countryside?

> Does that question sound silly?

>

Hey Diane,

Heck, NO question is silly. I live smack dab in the city. A true blue

city gal. Maddie is not in a school for inclusion. She goes to an

approved private special needs school (high autism population and they

implement the ABA method). I would love for her to be included, but where

we live, she'd flounder. It wouldn't even be safe. The special ed

programs in Philly are understaffed, not safe for Maddie. Even if they

were, it's not for her at this point in her education. She has a very tough

time being around ANY kids, although we're starting to make progress. While

she shows no interest in kids, she's at least tolerating being around them,

which is a huge step for us. However, I do know of a few kids who are fully

included in Philly and doing well, but not in Catholic schools. It's

interesting to me; my husband remembers a girl in his class YEARS ago who had

DS. She was fully included. She was actually the #1 speller in the

classroom.....;-)

As far as the cab goes, distance doesn't really have anything to do with

it. The district HAS to provide transportation to ALL school kids up to 7th

grade. The school Maura goes to is in the suburbs, but since she lives in

the city, they have to get her to school. Now, I don't think they have to

provide transportation to kids who go to alternative schools. Charter,

probably, but not alternative ones. Like Maura and her brother Greg went to

an alternative school up until 4th grade (Greg went all through until

8th--he's older) and my SIL had to drive them each day. My son (and Greg)

go to a private Catholic high school and take the bus, but we parents pay

monthly. Alison (9, NDA) goes to 4th grade in an arch-diocesan school 3

miles away in the suburbs, and she is picked up and dropped off each day by a

Philadelphia bus.

Donna

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In a message dated 11/14/01 8:49:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> Maddie is not in a school for inclusion. She goes to an

> approved private special needs school (high autism population and they

> implement the ABA method).

Thanks for answering all my questions so well Donna. Are you happy with

Maddie's school? I think their are some private schools here who have high

populations of autistic children. I wonder if it is something I should look

into. Always like to know I am not stuck somewhere.

Diane

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In a message dated 11/14/01 11:06:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> Thanks for answering all my questions so well Donna. Are you happy with

> Maddie's school? I think their are some private schools here who have high

> populations of autistic children. I wonder if it is something I should look

> into. Always like to know I am not stuck somewhere.

> Diane

Yes Diane, I'm very happy. We had a rough start this year since Maddie's

teacher AND aide quit. The new teacher was quite GREEN, but she is

starting to grow on me, and she really loves Maddie and has gotten a good

deal out of her. BUT, the good news is that Kathleen (the old teacher---the

one who babysat for me while we went to the Virgin Islands) has been re-hired

at MM. She will be working in another classroom, but her goal is to get

back into maddie's classroom. I feel that it will happen fairly soon. I

feel bad....I like Janet....but she may be better off teaching another

classroom. Maddie's class really needs a SKILLED person.

Diane, I went to visit every classroom option in and around philadelphia,

before Maddie ended up at Melmark. I checked out the public schools

autistic support classrooms, the life-skills, the multiplyhandicapped (this

was where the SD wanted her), every option. They turned out NOT to be

options. Actually, I believe my words were " Over my dead body " . Then I

started into approved private. A couple of those scared the living

daylights out of me too. I had decided that Maddie would stay home........I

was going to set up an intense FLoortime program (much like they do with ABA

at home programs) and told Duff he had to go make LOTS of extra money to pay

for it....LOL......then I decided (kind of on a whim) to check out MM. I

had opinions about it (from the book that was written about it) and thought

it was just too far. Then, after my first visit, I knew I had to move

heaven and earth to get her in there (we practically did---being married to

MR. RELENTLESS made a HUGE difference---I did all the homework, but he just

NEVER backs down). I just KNEW it was right. I would never send ANY of

my kids to a school I hadn't checked out to my satisfaction first. That's

just me!!

Donna

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In a message dated 11/14/01 6:27:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> . I checked out the public schools

> autistic support classrooms, the life-skills, the multiplyhandicapped (this

> was where the SD wanted her), every option. They turned out NOT to be

> options. Actually, I believe my words were " Over my dead body " . Then

> I

>

I'm impressed Donna! You are persistent. You really did your homework. How

far is the school by cab? Did the public schools give you the list of

approved private or did you do this yourself? When Rochelle was transitioning

to Kindergarten they wouldn't let me look at any of the public schools before

the IEP meeting. They said, they wanted the IEP to drive the placement. In

theory, this could work but it left me very nervous. You are lucky that you

knew what Maddie needed early on and went for it. I too considered

home-schooling as a last resort. (I actually think Home schooling would be

best for Rochelle but not best for me) We are still on the road to figure out

what Rochelle needs. I look at both my children and see the perseverative

behaviors that is common to the children on this list. Rochelle recently

started making these nests of things from her room. She got her blanket,

books, stuffed animals, toys and piled it into the corner with her under it

all. She is playing with bead necklaces all the time now. I would never have

picked up on this by myself. I feel very grateful to have found all of you.

And I know now why you are on the computer so much. You all just don't sleep.

LOLO. BTW how do you do those hugs Donna?

Diane

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In a message dated 11/14/01 10:30:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> How

> far is the school by cab?

Diane,

An hour. But that's because he is driving in rush hour traffic. It's

shorter in the afternoon. I know short-cuts however, and can make it in 45

minutes. When Maddie started out there in September a year ago, we inched

her into the program. Starting out with 1 hour, then 2, then 3...then

staying for lunch...then whole days. I would drop her off and walk the area

(it's absolutely gorgeous) or I'd drive all over, trying to figure out the

quickest route home. I've tried to tell every cab driver she's had how to do

it, but BOY are they thick!!!!

<<Did the public schools give you the list of

approved private or did you do this yourself? >>

I actually got a pamphlet naming them from the social worker at Maddie's

early intervention program. Then someone from another listserv gave me a

web site that listed every one and gave great descriptions on them.

<<When Rochelle was transitioning

to Kindergarten they wouldn't let me look at any of the public schools before

the IEP meeting. They said, they wanted the IEP to drive the placement. >>

Sure. That gives them the control, doesn't it????? Sheesh!!! I went

with the EI program for a guided tour that showed what each classroom looked

like. We got to go into each class as it was being taught, and then got to

speak with each teacher. We went in 4 separate classrooms. I did this a

year and a half before Maddie was to transition. I checked out 3 private

schools. A number of private ones would not let me come to observe unless

Maddie was approved by the school district and state to go there. I

chalked them off my list immediately; didn't trust that policy, therefore not

the people!!

<<You are lucky that you

knew what Maddie needed early on and went for it. >>

Quite honestly Diane, I didn't know exactly what type classroom she needed.

I knew what kind of teaching she needed, but in my mind, assumed it didn't

exist in a classroom. I visited SEVEN various classrooms before I came upon

MM. I believe that if it's out there, and you get to see it, you'll know

it's right. That's not to say we can ever sit back. I'm happy with MM,

but it's still work for me. As parents, we'll always have to educate the

teachers on how best to work with our kids.

<<I too considered

home-schooling as a last resort. (I actually think Home schooling would be

best for Rochelle but not best for me) >>

Yes, and it's my belief that it has to work for both of you in order to be

successful.

<<We are still on the road to figure out

what Rochelle needs>>

You'll find it Diane. I know you will!!!

<<BTW how do you do those hugs Donna?>>

Those squiggly parentheses on your keyboard Diane. Mine are beside the

letter *P* and use your caps.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Donna

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Thanks again Donna for answering all my questions so thoroughly!! You really

did your homework. I think I eliminated quite a few schools because of

distance. As it is I feel like I am a cab. Good thing I only had two

children! LOL You must be very organized. Now if I could just get some sleep.

ZZZZZZZ

Diane {{{{hugs}}}} You are a good person.

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In a message dated 8/30/2002 6:36:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

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Our kids used to be on the bus a long time both to and from school until we

had to tell the district that was a no no. Now they are on much less and

among the first to get dropped off. They still ride the Apple Bus, which is

the bus for kids with special needs. wants to ride the regular bus

but I told him they don't give door to door service, you have to walk down

the street two blocks and stand in the wind, rain, snow, or ice to get picked

up. The amount of time the kids are on the bus is included in the IEP in

Missouri and is counted in with regular school time.

Dad to , Kristi, (all three Ds) and (Cri du chat)

Husband to C.

>>

,

They count transportation time as a part of the child's school day? Do they

do that for reg. ed. kids? I bet it is illegal if they are getting the kids

to school later or taking them out earlier than the reg.ed. kids.

Karyn

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<<

Today was the final straw. On Fri, the driver said " see you Wed. " I said,

" what about Tue? " , and he showed me she wasn't on the routing sheet for Tue.

I called the appropriate person on Friday, she never returned my call. This

morning, I called them, got this person's voice mail, called back, demanded

dispatch answer my question " Are you picking up today? " They

finally said (30 minutes before pickup time!) that yes, they would pick her

up at her regular time, 8:43am, today. So, drag the unwilling child down the

street at 8:38 (so as not to be late and left!!!), wait, wait wait. It is

hot and muggy this morning, and we are all sweating. No bus, no bus. Now,

it is 8:53, so I drag her back up the street and into the van (two ugly

transitions now, and we haven't even made it to school yet!). While I am

strapping everyone into the van, I am on the phone with transportation,

yelling at them what he heck it up....... why did they tell my at 8:10 the

driver was coming, and then he not show up? The didn't know, but finally (I

had everyone in the van, found my purse and keys, etc) said he was on his way

and would be there in 2 minutes. Told them forget it, I wasn't dragging her

out of the van and onto the bus, she was already going to be late for school,

oh, and make sure that the director called me this morning because I was

pissed off! Waved at the driver on the way to school, got her there about 7

minutes late (the bus arrived a few minutes later..... guess I know a better

route!)

Q6: Am I crazy to think that transportation should get my child to school

before it starts?

Since I started typing, the director of SpEd transportation has returned my

call. She has agreed to come out with the head of transportation to see what

they can do. I have offered to write a legal document that I will not sue

them for any damage their bus causes to our asphalt driveway (that,

supposedly is the reason they won't use a private driveway to turn

around).,.... told them my child's health and well-being are more important

than a crack in the driveway. She knows I am angry and frustrated, but isn't

much help.

Q7: Because of the kids' schedules this year, it would be possible for me

to take her to preschool. If I were to take her myself, how do I know how

much to demand for reimbursement..... is their a schedule somewhere? This

may be the best option, but I know they will refuse.

Q8: If they refuse, what do I do next?

If you are still with me, THANKS!

, mom to (6), (4 DS), and (3 tomorrow!!!!) >>

I'd say they are in violation of FAPE if they are getting her to school late

on a reg. basis. Also if transportation isn't dependable you would have the

same argument.

I wouldn't worry about the previous agreement with them. I would just tell

them that you gave it a try for 18 months and it isn't working. It isn't safe

and you need her to be picked up

I don't know how big a community you live in but if there is a Kids Kab or

some other cab company in town could the school district contract with them

to provide transportation. I would call the company myself-telling them just

that you have a child in need of transportation to preschool and where and

when find out how much it would cost and would they be able to provide that

service. Then when you sit down with the district you have a possible

solution that they need to consider. I believe that they would need to do

this regardless the cost if you can show that it isn't safe to be sitting on

a curb with a 4 year old waiting for a bus. Esp. with a three year old to

also consider. Not tough to most responsible people.

Karyn

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had problems at the end of his middle school years. Looking back,

I suspect abuse to some degree by his teacher and or aides. He reacts when

he feels safe and getting on the bus, he felt safe. Anyway, besides having

those god awful folks away from my son, we started a reward system by using

coke. loves coke...has to be classic and not diet. He gives a coke

to the bus driver each morning and she in turn gives it to him when he gets

off. He's been good since. When we started that, someone (can't remember

who) said it should be diet coke. The Sped Director spoke up and said that

the ingrediants found in diet drinks can trigger seizures - they trigger

his. End of discussion and he gets his coke (and really, it's my business

which coke he gets).

BTW, has never drank a whole coke. I think it's an OT thing, he

only drinks about half of a can (8 or 12 ounce) or bottle. Now if he finds

where I hid the coke, then he drinks several half bottles. We never hid it

in the same place twice in a row. He's good at finding it, really good! He

also does not like ice if he gets coke in a cup/glass.

Transportation

> Why does the school district have to be such a pain in the rear? We are

> having major issues with the afternoon bus driver and para. I'm going to

> start this out by saying I have nothing wrong with older people working

> nothing at all, but when it comes to my son and being able to restrain a

> 73lb boy then it is an issue. I've talked with 's teacher and she told

> me what to do and I did but when I called to talk to the guy he thought

> that this para was more than qualified to handle , she is the same age

> as my grandmother and about the same structure (thin frame) and the bus

> driver doesn't help out at all. I told him that I don't feel comfortable

> with being on that bus and I told him that I can tell through 's

> behaviors that he doesn't like the bus driver and para. I'm tired of the

> naughty behaviors every night just because he had a bad ride on the bus,

> but he didn't listen to that at all. He goes well lets talk with his

> teacher and the assistant principal first to see if there is anything else

> we can do because Lorainne (the para) is one of the best para's we have

> and she has been with us for many years. ARGH!! This is the first time I

> have had any complaints with the school district and I feel like my

> concerns are being brushed under the rug. So right now until they get it

> straightened out I am having to pick up from school every day, not

> what is said in his IEP and his behavioral plan. I just don't know what

> else to do, where else to turn (other than an attorney and I can't afford

> one of those).

>

> Thanks for listening to my rambling,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Afternoon transportation has been the nightmare for us and to put the icing

on the cake, the bus didn't even show up on Friday morning so I had to bring

him in and to bring into school isn't the easiest situation. I have to

get the twins ready for the day, then get them all packed into the van, park

the van, leave the van running for the girls so they don't get cold (its

been in the 30s/40s the past week) take off my keyless entry lock the van,

take in get his jacket off, backpack hung up, folder out of the bag, go

to the classroom and wait there until the para gets there all while the

girls are left alone in the van, once it starts getting colder I am going to

have to bring the girls in with me plus there is a cop that sits at the

school and it doesn't look good for me to leave my vehicle running with the

keys in the ignition and 2 4 year olds alone in the van. FRUSTRATIONS I

tell you!! We have to try other options first before we can hold a meeting

to discuss what needs to be done. has to be harnessed into the seat

(which he absolutely hates having done) so there are more bad behaviors, he

doesn't like the bus driver or para (and I don't blame him, the bus driver

does nothing to help the para and he just seems to be a crabby patty - can

you tell I watch too much spongebob?) so more bad behaviors even if we have

an awesome day at school we have a horrible night so I can't reward him at

all because he is being naughty at night. In our school district (since it

is the biggest district in the state of Minnesota) the morning bus driver

and afternoon bus drivers are different people. Heck the bus driver for my

twins doesn't look like she would be able to help out all the students if

there was an accident or issue on the bus, but I am not ready to do that

battle - if anything were to happen I would just drive the girls in myself

instead thats no problem at all. I just don't know why the district can't

make the changes now instead of us having to jump through all these hoops

first. I just don't feel comfortable with riding the afternoon bus.

And no it is not all that practical to be picking him up everyday (run into

the same problems we have in the morning of the whole routine) luckily the

past few days that I have had to do it, my husband has been at home so I

don't have to haul the girls with me.

Thanks for listening to my ranting,

Transportation

>

>

>> Why does the school district have to be such a pain in the rear? We are

>> having major issues with the afternoon bus driver and para. I'm going to

>> start this out by saying I have nothing wrong with older people working

>> nothing at all, but when it comes to my son and being able to restrain a

>> 73lb boy then it is an issue. I've talked with 's teacher and she

>> told me what to do and I did but when I called to talk to the guy he

>> thought that this para was more than qualified to handle , she is the

>> same age as my grandmother and about the same structure (thin frame) and

>> the bus driver doesn't help out at all. I told him that I don't feel

>> comfortable with being on that bus and I told him that I can tell

>> through 's behaviors that he doesn't like the bus driver and para.

>> I'm tired of the naughty behaviors every night just because he had a bad

>> ride on the bus, but he didn't listen to that at all. He goes well lets

>> talk with his teacher and the assistant principal first to see if there

>> is anything else we can do because Lorainne (the para) is one of the best

>> para's we have and she has been with us for many years. ARGH!! This is

>> the first time I have had any complaints with the school district and I

>> feel like my concerns are being brushed under the rug. So right now until

>> they get it straightened out I am having to pick up from school

>> every day, not what is said in his IEP and his behavioral plan. I just

>> don't know what else to do, where else to turn (other than an attorney

>> and I can't afford one of those).

>>

>> Thanks for listening to my rambling,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Afternoon transportation has been the nightmare for us and to put the icing

on the cake, the bus didn't even show up on Friday morning so I had to bring

him in and to bring into school isn't the easiest situation. I have to

get the twins ready for the day, then get them all packed into the van, park

the van, leave the van running for the girls so they don't get cold (its

been in the 30s/40s the past week) take off my keyless entry lock the van,

take in get his jacket off, backpack hung up, folder out of the bag, go

to the classroom and wait there until the para gets there all while the

girls are left alone in the van, once it starts getting colder I am going to

have to bring the girls in with me plus there is a cop that sits at the

school and it doesn't look good for me to leave my vehicle running with the

keys in the ignition and 2 4 year olds alone in the van. FRUSTRATIONS I

tell you!! We have to try other options first before we can hold a meeting

to discuss what needs to be done. has to be harnessed into the seat

(which he absolutely hates having done) so there are more bad behaviors, he

doesn't like the bus driver or para (and I don't blame him, the bus driver

does nothing to help the para and he just seems to be a crabby patty - can

you tell I watch too much spongebob?) so more bad behaviors even if we have

an awesome day at school we have a horrible night so I can't reward him at

all because he is being naughty at night. In our school district (since it

is the biggest district in the state of Minnesota) the morning bus driver

and afternoon bus drivers are different people. Heck the bus driver for my

twins doesn't look like she would be able to help out all the students if

there was an accident or issue on the bus, but I am not ready to do that

battle - if anything were to happen I would just drive the girls in myself

instead thats no problem at all. I just don't know why the district can't

make the changes now instead of us having to jump through all these hoops

first. I just don't feel comfortable with riding the afternoon bus.

And no it is not all that practical to be picking him up everyday (run into

the same problems we have in the morning of the whole routine) luckily the

past few days that I have had to do it, my husband has been at home so I

don't have to haul the girls with me.

Thanks for listening to my ranting,

Transportation

>

>

>> Why does the school district have to be such a pain in the rear? We are

>> having major issues with the afternoon bus driver and para. I'm going to

>> start this out by saying I have nothing wrong with older people working

>> nothing at all, but when it comes to my son and being able to restrain a

>> 73lb boy then it is an issue. I've talked with 's teacher and she

>> told me what to do and I did but when I called to talk to the guy he

>> thought that this para was more than qualified to handle , she is the

>> same age as my grandmother and about the same structure (thin frame) and

>> the bus driver doesn't help out at all. I told him that I don't feel

>> comfortable with being on that bus and I told him that I can tell

>> through 's behaviors that he doesn't like the bus driver and para.

>> I'm tired of the naughty behaviors every night just because he had a bad

>> ride on the bus, but he didn't listen to that at all. He goes well lets

>> talk with his teacher and the assistant principal first to see if there

>> is anything else we can do because Lorainne (the para) is one of the best

>> para's we have and she has been with us for many years. ARGH!! This is

>> the first time I have had any complaints with the school district and I

>> feel like my concerns are being brushed under the rug. So right now until

>> they get it straightened out I am having to pick up from school

>> every day, not what is said in his IEP and his behavioral plan. I just

>> don't know what else to do, where else to turn (other than an attorney

>> and I can't afford one of those).

>>

>> Thanks for listening to my rambling,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Is your school district giving you the run around regarding

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" Courts have held that a child's unique educational needs determine

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transportation is needed in order for the child to have access to

education, then the IEP team must determine the type of

transportation to be provided and any modifications to

transportation, i.e., last on first off, aide on the bus. The

description of the transportation services must be included in that

child's IEP and provided by the school district at no cost to the

parents.

Transportation arrival and departure times should allow for the child

to receive a full instructional day and travel time should be limited

to under one hour each way whenever possible.

School districts are sometimes reluctant to offer transportation to a

location other than the child's home. However, courts have held that

a child's unique educational needs determine what transportation is

needed for that particular child. Such transportation has included

transportation between schools, transportation to a location other

than the child's home and transportation outside of the school

district's boundaries.

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In addition to other issues, OSERS' guidance focused on " travel

training " and its importance in the definition of special education.

Travel training is instruction that enables children with

disabilities to develop an awareness of the environment in which they

live, and to learn the skills necessary to move effectively and

safely from place to place within that environment. Both

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