Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 I'll probably come across as a drone on this. Special Olympics can be either wonderful or a whole lot less. Usually, it is sort of a sugar pill that builds self esteem (a good thing to do), but it hasn't a lot to do with the other issues. Elementary track and field and other entry events don't help. Our kids (i.e. those with ds) are well known for bad muscle tone and floppy joints and also for not really being aware of the rules and skills of a sport. What S.O is to me is about these issues PLUS also building self esteem. Any program that doesn't train enough to build muscle tone, and also train enough to build major sports skills shorts your kids of real value. If you get those, the self esteem really takes off. Going out and running a race or throwing a softball or whatever is OK for an introduction, but it doesn't really get beyond a short self-esteem boost. It takes time (let's say two months) of weekly training to improve muscle tone and learn sports skills. Simply going to a meet with minimal training doesn't do it. Moving from sport to sport keeps up the gains. OK, I've argued with the administrators to let a child who had been skiing with her parents onto my team in spite of the fact that we hadn't six weeks of training. She was trained .. just not all by me. Any less training and I'd have done a real disfavor in spite of the fact that she would be 'divisioned' so that she would probably go home with a self-esteem boost. I didn't get into coaching because that was my life aim. I got into coaching because there would be no programs for my daughter in skiing or gymnastics if I didn't. I had to learn what was important because I was a casual skier and I had little knowledge of gymnastics (one of the very best sports for out kids). After my dozen or so years, I believe strongly in the whole program and not just the competition. Yes, I had some weekend trainings for gymnastics, but I learned mostly with Jan and a few others. I did develop a wonderful relationship with my athletes. I've got the t-shirt to show it and I've got a relationship outside of 'parent' with Jan. Trust me, it is different and wonderful. Coach and athlete are co-dependent and in the right circumstances, they learn this. If S.O. in your area doesn't provide a complete program, take charge. In reality it costs little more than driving your child to a training session and watching. Warning, you are different and so is your child. Take this advice with care. Rick .. dad to Jan .. also made the local S.O. coach's hall of fame one year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 I'm so glad you made this point, Rick. S.O. claims a motto of year round fitness. Fitness requires exactly what you are discussing in this post. Elaine re: special olympics I'll probably come across as a drone on this. Special Olympics can be either wonderful or a whole lot less. Usually, it is sort of a sugar pill that builds self esteem (a good thing to do), but it hasn't a lot to do with the other issues. Elementary track and field and other entry events don't help. Our kids (i.e. those with ds) are well known for bad muscle tone and floppy joints and also for not really being aware of the rules and skills of a sport. What S.O is to me is about these issues PLUS also building self esteem. Any program that doesn't train enough to build muscle tone, and also train enough to build major sports skills shorts your kids of real value. If you get those, the self esteem really takes off. Going out and running a race or throwing a softball or whatever is OK for an introduction, but it doesn't really get beyond a short self-esteem boost. It takes time (let's say two months) of weekly training to improve muscle tone and learn sports skills. Simply going to a meet with minimal training doesn't do it. Moving from sport to sport keeps up the gains. OK, I've argued with the administrators to let a child who had been skiing with her parents onto my team in spite of the fact that we hadn't six weeks of training. She was trained .. just not all by me. Any less training and I'd have done a real disfavor in spite of the fact that she would be 'divisioned' so that she would probably go home with a self-esteem boost. I didn't get into coaching because that was my life aim. I got into coaching because there would be no programs for my daughter in skiing or gymnastics if I didn't. I had to learn what was important because I was a casual skier and I had little knowledge of gymnastics (one of the very best sports for out kids). After my dozen or so years, I believe strongly in the whole program and not just the competition. Yes, I had some weekend trainings for gymnastics, but I learned mostly with Jan and a few others. I did develop a wonderful relationship with my athletes. I've got the t-shirt to show it and I've got a relationship outside of 'parent' with Jan. Trust me, it is different and wonderful. Coach and athlete are co-dependent and in the right circumstances, they learn this. If S.O. in your area doesn't provide a complete program, take charge. In reality it costs little more than driving your child to a training session and watching. Warning, you are different and so is your child. Take this advice with care. Rick .. dad to Jan .. also made the local S.O. coach's hall of fame one year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 I have to agree with Elaine <dbonorato4@...>. Special Olympics is a much broader program than just taking your kids to competition. She talks about " year round " which is a good start, but I never managed that with my athletes. Special Olympics starts with training. The athletes need to learn the sport. In gymnastics that was skills, conditioning, and sequencing the event. In track and field it is perhaps just skills and conditioning, although learning to pace might be equivalent to sequencing the event. The training must be long enough to really condition the athlete. Six weeks was what I was required to show for gymnastics or skiing, and we generally did much, much more than that. We taught our daughters to ski by skiing with them. It wasn't all competive skiing, but it was skills and conditioning. The competitive aspects weren't at the top of our lists in spite of having the best female skiers in the state. While the self-esteem can come from placing a child (or adult) in a competition that they haven't really trained for, in my mind comptition is of more value if the athlete has trained and if they associate training, practice, and conditioning with their success. We are trying to train our kids for life, not for some " natural ability " demonstration. This is a multi-part program and it works best when the kids/athletes/adults get all of the components. As a parent you have to remember that the difference is small between a parent and a coach is that one watches from the sidelines while their child does something and the other is there making the program run. The time investment of either is roughly the same. Being a coach isn't all that big of a deal, but it can make the program that your child needs. I've been on both sides. I'd love to hear from parents who are frustrated with S.O. activities for their child. I've been there and have some pointers about how to move past that. Rick .. dad and coach to Jan and some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Great points Rick!! My husband is the SO swimming coach and has coached basketball, softball, soccer and trained for track. He has had the kids swimming twice a week (some 4 times a week) for the last year and a half. He has six kids at present. We have problems getting parents to help with their kids and that is why schools do this here in Georgia. In Hawaii, families are the number one priority, so the kids have such incredible support. Our kids have a much slower metabolic rate than typical kids. That's why we need to work at a fitness program for them. We are working toward some kind of year round sports program but there are only so many hours in the day and one person can't do it all. How can you get other involved? Elaine re: Special Olympics I have to agree with Elaine <dbonorato4@...>. Special Olympics is a much broader program than just taking your kids to competition. She talks about " year round " which is a good start, but I never managed that with my athletes. Special Olympics starts with training. The athletes need to learn the sport. In gymnastics that was skills, conditioning, and sequencing the event. In track and field it is perhaps just skills and conditioning, although learning to pace might be equivalent to sequencing the event. The training must be long enough to really condition the athlete. Six weeks was what I was required to show for gymnastics or skiing, and we generally did much, much more than that. We taught our daughters to ski by skiing with them. It wasn't all competive skiing, but it was skills and conditioning. The competitive aspects weren't at the top of our lists in spite of having the best female skiers in the state. While the self-esteem can come from placing a child (or adult) in a competition that they haven't really trained for, in my mind comptition is of more value if the athlete has trained and if they associate training, practice, and conditioning with their success. We are trying to train our kids for life, not for some " natural ability " demonstration. This is a multi-part program and it works best when the kids/athletes/adults get all of the components. As a parent you have to remember that the difference is small between a parent and a coach is that one watches from the sidelines while their child does something and the other is there making the program run. The time investment of either is roughly the same. Being a coach isn't all that big of a deal, but it can make the program that your child needs. I've been on both sides. I'd love to hear from parents who are frustrated with S.O. activities for their child. I've been there and have some pointers about how to move past that. Rick .. dad and coach to Jan and some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 WAY TO GO PATRICK!!!! I am signing Mav up for Sp O swimming for the first time. Sign ups are June 2nd and I have NO idea what to expect, but he's excited. M.  ¸...¸     ___/ /\ \___        ¸...¸     ,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\     ,·´º o`·, ```)¨(´´´  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  ```)¨(´´´ ¸,.-·²°´      ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸      `°²·-.¸  ......for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 3:33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Congratulations on 's silver medal for swimming. Special Olympics is such a fun and rewarding time for kids and parents both. It build self esteem in the kids and helps them with competition and social skills in life. We never miss a Special Olympic track meet or bowling meet. When the kids get a few years older, they will get into some of the other stuff. Dad to , Kristi, (all three Down syndrome) and (Cri du chat) Husband to C. in Mo. Uncle Daddy to and in Calif. Special Olympics > has a brand spanking new silver medal for swimming the 50 meter freestyle at Georgia state games:)) YEAH PATRICK!!! He worked so hard and really wanted this. He came in 4th on the backstroke and this is a new stroke for him. I was very very proud. (his 17 year old best friend also with DS) got gold in the 50 m butterfly and silver in the 50 free. He and had so much trouble at the dance because the girls wanted tall guys. GEEZ ladies are you teaching short discrimination to your daughters? LOL They had a ball though because and I went out and danced with them. Then told us to go 'way, go 'way. ) > Elaine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 WAY TO GO PATRICK!!!! mom to Bridget 11ds in Upstate, SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Congratulations to Kaitlyn! Sounds like you had a great day. I love S.O.! Jackie, Mom to 16ds, 13, and Bradley 10 > We had our state Special Olympics track meet last weekend. It is a really big > production and we had loads of community volunteers. It was a great time. > Kaitlyn participated in 25 meter assisted swim, 25 meter flotation swim, 50 > meter dash, 100 meter dash, ball throw, running long jump and the 4x100 relay. > She came home with one gold, two silver, three bronze, and a 6th place ribbon. > She had a lot of fun and did so much better than we expected. She one of the > smallest athletes participating. > > This is our first year to participate in Special Olympics and I have been so > impressed. > Darcy mom to 13, Kaitlyn 10, and Grant 8 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 What really truly incredibly ORGANIZED state are you located in? Our athletes can't do track AND swimming. They must choose between them. We are in Georgia, but it was that way in Hawaii and Missouri too. (former military family) I know you must be proud of Kaitlyn. Sounds like she's quite an athlete:) Elaine Special Olympics We had our state Special Olympics track meet last weekend. It is a really big production and we had loads of community volunteers. It was a great time. Kaitlyn participated in 25 meter assisted swim, 25 meter flotation swim, 50 meter dash, 100 meter dash, ball throw, running long jump and the 4x100 relay. She came home with one gold, two silver, three bronze, and a 6th place ribbon. She had a lot of fun and did so much better than we expected. She one of the smallest athletes participating. This is our first year to participate in Special Olympics and I have been so impressed. Darcy mom to 13, Kaitlyn 10, and Grant 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 We are in Kansas. I have been very impressed. Our coaches are just awesome. The kids could choose between tennis, swimming or golf and then also do track. There are some teams that also did gymnastics but ours didn't. Our state was the first to have the law enforcement torch run leading up to the state track meet. It was so cool and then the previous year's most inspirational athlete runs the torch around the track (if able) and lights the olympic flame in opening ceremony. Besides the parade of athletes and awards the opening ceremonies had two bands play and a large fireworks show. One of the bands came up all the way from Texas. All donated time. We had a lot of rockin kids that night. We all had a great weekend. Darcy Special Olympics We had our state Special Olympics track meet last weekend. It is a really big production and we had loads of community volunteers. It was a great time. Kaitlyn participated in 25 meter assisted swim, 25 meter flotation swim, 50 meter dash, 100 meter dash, ball throw, running long jump and the 4x100 relay. She came home with one gold, two silver, three bronze, and a 6th place ribbon. She had a lot of fun and did so much better than we expected. She one of the smallest athletes participating. This is our first year to participate in Special Olympics and I have been so impressed. Darcy mom to 13, Kaitlyn 10, and Grant 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 speaking of tennis...do any of your kids play? karen in dallas Special Olympics We had our state Special Olympics track meet last weekend. It is a really big production and we had loads of community volunteers. It was a great time. Kaitlyn participated in 25 meter assisted swim, 25 meter flotation swim, 50 meter dash, 100 meter dash, ball throw, running long jump and the 4x100 relay. She came home with one gold, two silver, three bronze, and a 6th place ribbon. She had a lot of fun and did so much better than we expected. She one of the smallest athletes participating. This is our first year to participate in Special Olympics and I have been so impressed. Darcy mom to 13, Kaitlyn 10, and Grant 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Kaitlyn doesn't yet, but my neighbors son who is 30 plays quite well. Darcy Special Olympics We had our state Special Olympics track meet last weekend. It is a really big production and we had loads of community volunteers. It was a great time. Kaitlyn participated in 25 meter assisted swim, 25 meter flotation swim, 50 meter dash, 100 meter dash, ball throw, running long jump and the 4x100 relay. She came home with one gold, two silver, three bronze, and a 6th place ribbon. She had a lot of fun and did so much better than we expected. She one of the smallest athletes participating. This is our first year to participate in Special Olympics and I have been so impressed. Darcy mom to 13, Kaitlyn 10, and Grant 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 My daughter is at state games for tennis right now. She does ok, but she is so SHORT that she usually gets creamed! She has beat a big almost 7 foot guy in match play twice now and she is THRILLED about those victories .... mainly because he always calls her a shrimp and she can tease back that the shrimp beat the giant! ;-) Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 I guess I've put in my time in S.O. regional and state games. In the end, I came away thinking of the competitions only as the icing on the cake. So much of the value in Special Olympics comes from the training. When I first took Jan to S.O., she had no formal training (nor did anyone there). She was so cute! There were no formal routines and when she got out onto the gymnastics mat she just stood there. Then, prompted by me she did a summersault and got a big hand. She just kept going on after that. A year later S.O. got funding from a bank for a gymnastics team. Again it was pretty haphazard. Jan was the mascot by 5 years and probably the best gymnast, but I just watched for three years as this incredible mix of people improved their gross motor control and self image with this program. Jan did a promo for S.O. doing forward rolls up to Evert and got a hug. What I learned was how good gymnastics was as a developmental sport for a wide range of people. Then the funding went away and there was the prospect of no gymnastics. That's when I realized that it took exactly the same time to take Jan somewhere to be coached for an hour as it did for me to take her somewhere and do it myself. I taught our " agency-centric " region about parent coaching. It took a while, but " wow " did it work. I developed a totally different relationship with Jan. Parents are " in charge " . Coaches are not. We learned to work together, although sometimes the first five minutes of practice were a little rough until we both worked it out. Competition was great. That is what we trained for. All the kids I trained did better in competition than they ever did in practice, but it was practice where they learned the skills, the coordination, and the sequencing that would carry them through competition and also help in life. For Jan, local meets were usually for show. She seldom had someone who was real competition. In NY, the state meets in gymnastics were real competition and she learned a lot about competing. Jan is strong, but not a natural gymnast. Grace doesn't flow easily as it does from some of the athletes. She is determined and competitive and willing to really work in practice. In 1995 she went to World Games .. and after that she was the only level 3 gymnast in CT. She'd still do well in competition, but it was only for show. About five years ago she retired. I still hope to get her back. But then I'm just an old retired coach looking for some of the great times again. I think she'd again be without peer in the over 30 group. We never went cross-sports at an even because what we were doing was intense enough. Jan has competed in alpine skiing, gymnastics, and swimming. I prefer the first two, but those are the ones I coached. S.O. may be delivered to you. You might also consider making it your own and fixing it where it is broken. The national/international organization is great, but the real basic stuff is right at the bottom. Congratulations, of course, to Kaitlyn. She clearly was awesome. Rick .. dad to retired gymnast Jan (31) .. post AML .. we hope I'm also in our region's coaches hall of fame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 The place to start is the phone book. They may be listed locally. The next place is the web where you can get a contact for your state or local S.O. organization. There someone can both tell you what is available, but also what paperwork needs to be filled out. The program can be aligned with the school or with any number of other organizations and agencies in the community. The amount of paperwork needed varies from state to state and from sport to sport. I am not up to date on the paperwork since it's been almost a decade since I have done any significant coaching. I favor sports that have a strong training program that makes significant strides in physical development and help with gross motor control. Going out without much training to run in a race or take part in softball throw does not meet my standard for what most of our kids need. I was involved in gymnastics and alpine skiing and my athletes did a lot of practice (and got a good feeling about themselves even at practice). The competition brings other things, but it is much more meaningful when there has been real training. Jan, for instance, has done bowling. No one ever trained her for that and she has never gotten into being a better bowler, which she certainly could have learned a lot in. On the other hand, her one season of basketball was really good, partly because she is self-motivated to go outside and shoot baskets. Rick .. Dad to Jan .. 31 and currently retired from SO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Rick, I am so glad that you brought this subject up. There are more parent coaches out there than there used to be. I am trained as a coach (basic) but have yet to get any specific sports. I usually chaperone events though. My dh , is certified in softball, swimming, bowling, basketball, soccer, and track. He has yet to get much help or support for anything except bowling and swimming. If any parents out there are interested in coaching (or anyone in your community that is old enough), let them know how much fun it is and how rewarding it is to help kids stay fit. I loved Hawaii's year round program that really focused on fitness and skills that the kids could use all their lives. and his best friend have a swim meet at the YMCA this evening with the regular team. Kids with DS have lower metabolic rates than the general public and getting them into a fitness regimen is very important. If we didn't keep busy, he'd watch videos and eat all day. Elaine re: Special Olympics I guess I've put in my time in S.O. regional and state games. In the end, I came away thinking of the competitions only as the icing on the cake. So much of the value in Special Olympics comes from the training. When I first took Jan to S.O., she had no formal training (nor did anyone there). She was so cute! There were no formal routines and when she got out onto the gymnastics mat she just stood there. Then, prompted by me she did a summersault and got a big hand. She just kept going on after that. A year later S.O. got funding from a bank for a gymnastics team. Again it was pretty haphazard. Jan was the mascot by 5 years and probably the best gymnast, but I just watched for three years as this incredible mix of people improved their gross motor control and self image with this program. Jan did a promo for S.O. doing forward rolls up to Evert and got a hug. What I learned was how good gymnastics was as a developmental sport for a wide range of people. Then the funding went away and there was the prospect of no gymnastics. That's when I realized that it took exactly the same time to take Jan somewhere to be coached for an hour as it did for me to take her somewhere and do it myself. I taught our " agency-centric " region about parent coaching. It took a while, but " wow " did it work. I developed a totally different relationship with Jan. Parents are " in charge " . Coaches are not. We learned to work together, although sometimes the first five minutes of practice were a little rough until we both worked it out. Competition was great. That is what we trained for. All the kids I trained did better in competition than they ever did in practice, but it was practice where they learned the skills, the coordination, and the sequencing that would carry them through competition and also help in life. For Jan, local meets were usually for show. She seldom had someone who was real competition. In NY, the state meets in gymnastics were real competition and she learned a lot about competing. Jan is strong, but not a natural gymnast. Grace doesn't flow easily as it does from some of the athletes. She is determined and competitive and willing to really work in practice. In 1995 she went to World Games .. and after that she was the only level 3 gymnast in CT. She'd still do well in competition, but it was only for show. About five years ago she retired. I still hope to get her back. But then I'm just an old retired coach looking for some of the great times again. I think she'd again be without peer in the over 30 group. We never went cross-sports at an even because what we were doing was intense enough. Jan has competed in alpine skiing, gymnastics, and swimming. I prefer the first two, but those are the ones I coached. S.O. may be delivered to you. You might also consider making it your own and fixing it where it is broken. The national/international organization is great, but the real basic stuff is right at the bottom. Congratulations, of course, to Kaitlyn. She clearly was awesome. Rick .. dad to retired gymnast Jan (31) .. post AML .. we hope I'm also in our region's coaches hall of fame! Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Kudos for !!!I can't imagine how proud you are of him. Keep up the good job . And keep up the good work mom! Loree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hey Kym, Maverick is up there at ASU for the State Olympics!!!! Remember 2 years ago we met at the mall afterwards? I couldn't go this year because the other kids have baseball games and we would have missed 4 games and a practice.. but is with him.. he always goes as a chaparone with the school. Anyway, Mav got a gold medal in his 400 meter relay and and a gold medal in the 400 meter 4 man relay. This morning he is doing the running long jump.. I'm waiting for the call. This is not his strongest event so I'm not expecting another medal.. but he has fun. A REALLY cool thing is on Thursday, before they went to Phoenix, the torch ran through our area. This year they chose some of the athletes from the school to run 1/2 mile with it and Mav was one of the athletes chosen. It was really cool.. being led by police cars and police bikes and all. They get home tonight in time to jump into baseball uniforms and head out to play their games. LOL. Next year will be signed up to participate in the Senior Sp. O so we'll have 2 competing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 That is so cool! I didn't even know they did the torch or anything. This is our first year. Congrats, Mav! Kym Re: Special Olympics Hey Kym, Maverick is up there at ASU for the State Olympics!!!! Remember 2 years ago we met at the mall afterwards? I couldn't go this year because the other kids have baseball games and we would have missed 4 games and a practice.. but is with him.. he always goes as a chaparone with the school. Anyway, Mav got a gold medal in his 400 meter relay and and a gold medal in the 400 meter 4 man relay. This morning he is doing the running long jump.. I'm waiting for the call. This is not his strongest event so I'm not expecting another medal.. but he has fun. A REALLY cool thing is on Thursday, before they went to Phoenix, the torch ran through our area. This year they chose some of the athletes from the school to run 1/2 mile with it and Mav was one of the athletes chosen. It was really cool.. being led by police cars and police bikes and all. They get home tonight in time to jump into baseball uniforms and head out to play their games. LOL. Next year will be signed up to participate in the Senior Sp. O so we'll have 2 competing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 My also won a Gold medal at todays games to qualify for state which was held at North Central College in Naperville. He is a strong runner and has really won this event every year, and won at state every year as well. He woke up smiling and laughing, and happy as a clam to be able to go run his race. About 15 minutes before his race started, he got a migraine headache. He ran anyways because of coarse he trains year round for this season and this is the big meet to qualify for state. He runs the 3000m and his event is 8 laps around the track! His Motrin never kicked in he was losing his mind during and after the race and then we ended up about 1.5 hour later, in the ER for some IV meds. I am so proud of him to be able to run like that, and still pull off the GOLD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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