Guest guest Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Thank you. Bonnie Dohogne ________________________________ From: genevamother <candigo@...> IPADDUnite Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 7:02:50 AM Subject: Re: ID and DD  Intellectual Disability (ID) replaces Mental Retardation (MR). Developmental Disability can refer to any disability (autism, cerebral palsy, etc.) present at an early age with or without ID. Since, like its predecessors (idiot, moron, cretin) mentally retarded has become an insult, it was time to move on. > > And here I thought ID was just the newest variation on political correctness, >in lieu of developmental or cognitive disability or MR. I must be getting old, >because as the labels keep changing it makes me cranky! (IMHO, use of the word >intellectual almost invites ridicule. If it IS due to PC, then I think it’s a >bad change.) Surely someone from the ARC must know the answer to this question >†" anybody? > > > Laurie > > > > From: ELLEN BRONFELD > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:46 AM > IPADDUnite > Subject: ID and DD > > > I often use ID and DD as relatively interchangeable terms. I believe ID >encompasses all those born with intellectual variances AND those who develop an >intellectual difference some time after birth. DD would be more specific to >individuals born with an intellectual difference...at least this is how I >understand the two terms. > Anyone know for sure? > > Ellen > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I'm not crazy about the term " disabled " . It makes it sound like one's ability is not there at all. When something is disabled it's not functioning or working. Everyone has difficulties in some area of living; some emotional, some physical, and various brain issues. Some people's difficulties result in needing support to survive in this world. I guess most of us have children who fall into that category of needing help. I think we also are very aware of what our children's abilities are. We are all differently abled, what term can we use to describe when someone's abilities are so impeded that they cannot survive on their own? (I guess we could really extend this to say that no one really survives on their own, we all support and need each other in so many areas of life from garbage collectors to farmers to teachers, etc. etc.) I guess it's the day to day living skills, the awareness of danger skills, the physical skills to move one's body from bed to bath to chair, the using of knowledge from previous experience. What term can be used to encompass these difficulties in order to apply and qualify for help that doesn't seem to put one in a category of inferiority? (A personal opinion: Someone with no apparent physical or intellectual difficulties but who has difficulties with compassion and love can actually be a danger to others.) Maybe whatever word or terms are used will be used as an insult as long as " the disabled " are seen as inferior and others use the current term as an insult to others. The definition of retard is " to slow up or hinder or delay " . It became a negative term due to how the " abled " used it as an insult. Ellen K. On 5/1/2011 8:00 AM, Bonnie Dohogne wrote: > > Thank you. > Bonnie Dohogne > > ________________________________ > From: genevamother <candigo@... > <mailto:candigo%40sbcglobal.net>> > IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> > Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 7:02:50 AM > Subject: Re: ID and DD > > > Intellectual Disability (ID) replaces Mental Retardation (MR). > Developmental > Disability can refer to any disability (autism, cerebral palsy, etc.) > present at > an early age with or without ID. Since, like its predecessors (idiot, > moron, > cretin) mentally retarded has become an insult, it was time to move on. > > > > > > And here I thought ID was just the newest variation on political > correctness, > >in lieu of developmental or cognitive disability or MR. I must be > getting old, > >because as the labels keep changing it makes me cranky! (IMHO, use of > the word > >intellectual almost invites ridicule. If it IS due to PC, then I > think it’s a > >bad change.) Surely someone from the ARC must know the answer to this > question > >†" anybody? > > > > > > Laurie > > > > > > > > From: ELLEN BRONFELD > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:46 AM > > IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> > > Subject: ID and DD > > > > > > I often use ID and DD as relatively interchangeable terms. I believe ID > >encompasses all those born with intellectual variances AND those who > develop an > >intellectual difference some time after birth. DD would be more > specific to > >individuals born with an intellectual difference...at least this is > how I > >understand the two terms. > > Anyone know for sure? > > > > Ellen > > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > > mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 People “have†disabilities, maybe one, maybe more. Bombs are disabled. Broken TV’s are disabled. Bicycles are disabled. I have disabilities… I wear glasses, I have a horrible time with name find, and those are just examples of what I’m willing to admit in this setting. I have other things I think I’m pretty good at… sewing and driving my husband crazy. My son cannot speak. But he’s really good at making me smile…. and getting what he wants… for example. Some people have developmental disabilities that mean they can’t speak. But, they have amazing minds that can do all sorts of stuff mine can’t. So they don’t have intellectual disabilities just challenges sharing their thoughts and needs. From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf Of Ellen Kelley Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 11:46 AM IPADDUnite Subject: Re: Re: ID and DD I'm not crazy about the term " disabled " . It makes it sound like one's ability is not there at all. When something is disabled it's not functioning or working. Everyone has difficulties in some area of living; some emotional, some physical, and various brain issues. Some people's difficulties result in needing support to survive in this world. I guess most of us have children who fall into that category of needing help. I think we also are very aware of what our children's abilities are. We are all differently abled, what term can we use to describe when someone's abilities are so impeded that they cannot survive on their own? (I guess we could really extend this to say that no one really survives on their own, we all support and need each other in so many areas of life from garbage collectors to farmers to teachers, etc. etc.) I guess it's the day to day living skills, the awareness of danger skills, the physical skills to move one's body from bed to bath to chair, the using of knowledge from previous experience. What term can be used to encompass these difficulties in order to apply and qualify for help that doesn't seem to put one in a category of inferiority? (A personal opinion: Someone with no apparent physical or intellectual difficulties but who has difficulties with compassion and love can actually be a danger to others.) Maybe whatever word or terms are used will be used as an insult as long as " the disabled " are seen as inferior and others use the current term as an insult to others. The definition of retard is " to slow up or hinder or delay " . It became a negative term due to how the " abled " used it as an insult. Ellen K. On 5/1/2011 8:00 AM, Bonnie Dohogne wrote: > > Thank you. > Bonnie Dohogne > > ________________________________ > From: genevamother <candigo@... <mailto:candigo%40sbcglobal.net> > <mailto:candigo%40sbcglobal.net>> > IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> > Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 7:02:50 AM > Subject: Re: ID and DD > > > Intellectual Disability (ID) replaces Mental Retardation (MR). > Developmental > Disability can refer to any disability (autism, cerebral palsy, etc.) > present at > an early age with or without ID. Since, like its predecessors (idiot, > moron, > cretin) mentally retarded has become an insult, it was time to move on. > > > > > > And here I thought ID was just the newest variation on political > correctness, > >in lieu of developmental or cognitive disability or MR. I must be > getting old, > >because as the labels keep changing it makes me cranky! (IMHO, use of > the word > >intellectual almost invites ridicule. If it IS due to PC, then I > think it’s a > >bad change.) Surely someone from the ARC must know the answer to this > question > >†" anybody? > > > > > > Laurie > > > > > > > > From: ELLEN BRONFELD > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:46 AM > > IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> <mailto:IPADDUnite%40> > > Subject: ID and DD > > > > > > I often use ID and DD as relatively interchangeable terms. I believe ID > >encompasses all those born with intellectual variances AND those who > develop an > >intellectual difference some time after birth. DD would be more > specific to > >individuals born with an intellectual difference...at least this is > how I > >understand the two terms. > > Anyone know for sure? > > > > Ellen > > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > > mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Very well stated. Thank you! Beata Kruss ID and DD > > > > > > I often use ID and DD as relatively interchangeable terms. I believe ID > >encompasses all those born with intellectual variances AND those who > develop an > >intellectual difference some time after birth. DD would be more > specific to > >individuals born with an intellectual difference...at least this is > how I > >understand the two terms. > > Anyone know for sure? > > > > Ellen > > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > > mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I certainly have alot of disabilities too. Glasses and other physical shortcomings, lots of memory difficulties, and I could go on. And of course I see all kinds of goodness and talents in my daughter and her roommates. I guess my ramblings (another thing I tend to do that might not be that constructive) are mostly about the fact that whatever term or word we need to use to get services could very well become the next insult. That some people are going to take that term to insult their fellows and that until society makes more changes that it will continue. My oldest sister had physical and mental disabilities, in those days she was crippled and retarded. There was a time that one was a moron or a spaz.....so hurtful because those with disabilities were so looked down on. Was there a time that the term mentally retarded was meant to sound better? Maybe it's because of my sister that I just hate labels altogether. There are still some who will use these labels as slander. But I guess we have no alternative to labeling as long as we need services. I have seen huge improvements in how people with disabilities are treated, we're just not there yet. By the way, challenging sounds like a real appropriate word. Ellen K On 5/2/2011 12:20 PM, Beata Kruss wrote: > Very well stated. Thank you! > Beata Kruss > > ID and DD > > > > > > > > > I often use ID and DD as relatively interchangeable terms. I believe ID > > >encompasses all those born with intellectual variances AND those who > > develop an > > >intellectual difference some time after birth. DD would be more > > specific to > > >individuals born with an intellectual difference...at least this is > > how I > > >understand the two terms. > > > Anyone know for sure? > > > > > > Ellen > > > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > > > mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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