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I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

would allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

kind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

deplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

disability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

of attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

Ficker Terrill

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Subject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

and she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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Have you talked to Rubin? He will know if the trust can be changed to the

" payback/oops " trust.

Christensen

we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

and she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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Hi Nora, is correct. Your brothers' trust can be converted to a so

called 'pay back' trust and they will immediately be eligible for Medicaid. The

payback trust is a type of special needs trust that can be created with funds

that are deemed to be owned by the beneficiary. If your brothers are under a

guardianship, you will likely need permission of the probate court to make the

changes necessary to qualify them for Medicaid. The greatest benefit of a

payback trust is that it allows the beneficiary to qualify for Medicaid and

often stretches the funds so that they last the lifetime of the beneficiary

allowing him or her to live a higher quality life. You can look on my firm's

website: www.ssvlegal.com for more information on payback trusts. If you can't

access the website, call Dawn at 312 220-9112 and ask her to fax, email or mail

a copy of information about this type of trust to you. Rubin's website is

also likely to have information about this option.

Your typical attorney is not likely to know about this payback trust option.

You will want to consult with an attorney who specializes in special needs

planning and preferably one who is a member of National Academy of Elder Law

Attorneys, Academy of Special Needs Planners or Special Needs Alliance. Terrie

Varnet

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Subject: RE: we are getting scared

I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

would allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

kind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

deplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

disability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

of attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

Ficker Terrill

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Subject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

and she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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Terrie and and all,

Thanks for the responses to Nora's question about her brothers. What caught my

eye in your post, Nora, was the comment that because your brothers are privately

paying for their 'beds' they are not considered 'full beds'. Does an agency

get more money from a Medicaid-funded placement than they do thru privately

paying clients? That seems weird to me, I'd have thought it would be the same

amount. I'm guessing you're confused on this too. Does anyone know the answer

to this question?

Laurie

From: Theresa Varnet

Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:08 AM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: we are getting scared

Hi Nora, is correct. Your brothers' trust can be converted to a so

called 'pay back' trust and they will immediately be eligible for Medicaid. The

payback trust is a type of special needs trust that can be created with funds

that are deemed to be owned by the beneficiary. If your brothers are under a

guardianship, you will likely need permission of the probate court to make the

changes necessary to qualify them for Medicaid. The greatest benefit of a

payback trust is that it allows the beneficiary to qualify for Medicaid and

often stretches the funds so that they last the lifetime of the beneficiary

allowing him or her to live a higher quality life. You can look on my firm's

website: www.ssvlegal.com for more information on payback trusts. If you can't

access the website, call Dawn at 312 220-9112 and ask her to fax, email or mail

a copy of information about this type of trust to you. Rubin's website is

also likely to have information about this option.

Your typical attorney is not likely to know about this payback trust option.

You will want to consult with an attorney who specializes in special needs

planning and preferably one who is a member of National Academy of Elder Law

Attorneys, Academy of Special Needs Planners or Special Needs Alliance. Terrie

Varnet

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Subject: RE: we are getting scared

I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

would allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

kind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

deplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

disability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

of attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

Ficker Terrill

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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:45 AM

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Subject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

and she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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different case but when my mom was in a nursing home for 19 months my dad had to

pay down his assets to a certain point and private pay for her, when Medicaid

kicked in the nursing home wasn't getting paid anywhere near the same amount as

private pay.........and of course the payments from the state were very behind.

Quite honestly it amazes me how some of these places can remain open.

H.

Re: we are getting scared

Terrie and and all,

hanks for the responses to Nora's question about her brothers. What caught my

ye in your post, Nora, was the comment that because your brothers are privately

aying for their 'beds' they are not considered 'full beds'. Does an agency

et more money from a Medicaid-funded placement than they do thru privately

aying clients? That seems weird to me, I'd have thought it would be the same

mount. I'm guessing you're confused on this too. Does anyone know the answer

o this question?

aurie

rom: Theresa Varnet

ent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:08 AM

o: IPADDUnite

ubject: Re: we are getting scared

i Nora, is correct. Your brothers' trust can be converted to a so

alled 'pay back' trust and they will immediately be eligible for Medicaid. The

ayback trust is a type of special needs trust that can be created with funds

hat are deemed to be owned by the beneficiary. If your brothers are under a

uardianship, you will likely need permission of the probate court to make the

hanges necessary to qualify them for Medicaid. The greatest benefit of a

ayback trust is that it allows the beneficiary to qualify for Medicaid and

ften stretches the funds so that they last the lifetime of the beneficiary

llowing him or her to live a higher quality life. You can look on my firm's

ebsite: www.ssvlegal.com for more information on payback trusts. If you can't

ccess the website, call Dawn at 312 220-9112 and ask her to fax, email or mail

copy of information about this type of trust to you. Rubin's website is

lso likely to have information about this option.

Your typical attorney is not likely to know about this payback trust option.

ou will want to consult with an attorney who specializes in special needs

lanning and preferably one who is a member of National Academy of Elder Law

ttorneys, Academy of Special Needs Planners or Special Needs Alliance. Terrie

arnet

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rom: Ficker Terrill <cathyfickerterrill@...>

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AdultSibsNet " <AdultSibsNet >;

SibNet " <SibNet >

ent: Thu, August 26, 2010 10:17:25 AM

ubject: RE: we are getting scared

I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

ould allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

ind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

eplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

isability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

f attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

athy Ficker Terrill

From: Yoda84@... [mailto:Yoda84@...]

ent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:45 AM

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ibNet

ubject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

s you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

ot Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

oes not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

argaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

he does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

hey guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

nd she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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What is a shame is that no one at the nursing home told your dad that instead of

spending down on private pay, he could have transferred the funds to a qualified

special needs trust called a 'c2biv' trust for the benefit of a special needs

child or grandchild. Many people are not aware of this Medicaid exception to

the transfer of asset rules. If the trust is written correctly, the transfer is

not subject to a 5 year look back period and the parent or grandparent will

immediately qualify for Medicaid to pay for his/her nursing home care and the

disabled family member can enjoy the benefit of the funded trust.

Note - this type of trust is NOT the same as a 3rd party special needs trust.

If your parents or grandparents are elderly, they may want to sign a power of

attorney that indicates their wish to transfer their funds to a c2biv trust to

qualify them for Medicaid to pay for their nursing home care sooner rather than

later. When a power of attorney has this special power, you can protect the

assets even if your parent or grandparent is no longer competent to direct the

transfer him/herself.

Terrie Varnet

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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:26:58 AM

Subject: Re: we are getting scared

different case but when my mom was in a nursing home for 19 months my dad had to

pay down his assets to a certain point and private pay for her, when Medicaid

kicked in the nursing home wasn't getting paid anywhere near the same amount as

private pay.........and of course the payments from the state were very behind.

Quite honestly it amazes me how some of these places can remain open.

H.

Re: we are getting scared

Terrie and and all,

hanks for the responses to Nora's question about her brothers. What caught my

ye in your post, Nora, was the comment that because your brothers are privately

aying for their 'beds' they are not considered 'full beds'. Does an agency

et more money from a Medicaid-funded placement than they do thru privately

aying clients? That seems weird to me, I'd have thought it would be the same

mount. I'm guessing you're confused on this too. Does anyone know the answer

o this question?

aurie

rom: Theresa Varnet

ent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:08 AM

o: IPADDUnite

ubject: Re: we are getting scared

i Nora, is correct. Your brothers' trust can be converted to a so

alled 'pay back' trust and they will immediately be eligible for Medicaid. The

ayback trust is a type of special needs trust that can be created with funds

hat are deemed to be owned by the beneficiary. If your brothers are under a

uardianship, you will likely need permission of the probate court to make the

hanges necessary to qualify them for Medicaid. The greatest benefit of a

ayback trust is that it allows the beneficiary to qualify for Medicaid and

ften stretches the funds so that they last the lifetime of the beneficiary

llowing him or her to live a higher quality life. You can look on my firm's

ebsite: www.ssvlegal.com for more information on payback trusts. If you can't

ccess the website, call Dawn at 312 220-9112 and ask her to fax, email or mail

copy of information about this type of trust to you. Rubin's website is

lso likely to have information about this option.

Your typical attorney is not likely to know about this payback trust option.

ou will want to consult with an attorney who specializes in special needs

lanning and preferably one who is a member of National Academy of Elder Law

ttorneys, Academy of Special Needs Planners or Special Needs Alliance. Terrie

arnet

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AdultSibsNet " <AdultSibsNet >;

SibNet " <SibNet >

ent: Thu, August 26, 2010 10:17:25 AM

ubject: RE: we are getting scared

I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

ould allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

ind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

eplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

isability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

f attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

athy Ficker Terrill

From: Yoda84@... [mailto:Yoda84@...]

ent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:45 AM

o: IPADDUnite ; AdultSibsNet ;

ibNet

ubject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

s you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

ot Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

oes not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

argaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

he does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

hey guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

nd she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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This form of Trust must be established by a parent, grandparent, guardian or

court. If no parent or grandparent living nor court appointed Guardian, then a

Pooled Trust, known as a d4C could be used. I would recommend Life's Plan (

Nixon Executive Director) or if over $100,000 Illinois Disability Association

( Berk Executive Director).

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Attorneys (www.NAELA.org), and serves on NAELA's Special Needs Law Section

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Subject: Re: we are getting scared

Hi Nora, is correct. Your brothers' trust can be converted to a so

called 'pay back' trust and they will immediately be eligible for Medicaid. The

payback trust is a type of special needs trust that can be created with funds

that are deemed to be owned by the beneficiary. If your brothers are under a

guardianship, you will likely need permission of the probate court to make the

changes necessary to qualify them for Medicaid. The greatest benefit of a

payback trust is that it allows the beneficiary to qualify for Medicaid and

often stretches the funds so that they last the lifetime of the beneficiary

allowing him or her to live a higher quality life. You can look on my firm's

website: www.ssvlegal.com for more information on payback trusts. If you can't

access the website, call Dawn at 312 220-9112 and ask her to fax, email or mail

a copy of information about this type of trust to you. Rubin's website is

also likely to have information about this option.

Your typical attorney is not likely to know about this payback trust option.

You will want to consult with an attorney who specializes in special needs

planning and preferably one who is a member of National Academy of Elder Law

Attorneys, Academy of Special Needs Planners or Special Needs Alliance. Terrie

Varnet

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Subject: RE: we are getting scared

I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

would allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

kind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

deplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

disability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

of attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

Ficker Terrill

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Subject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

and she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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We have people funded by Medicaid and private pay. It is not an issue. There

must be something else.

From: Jerue Family [mailto:jeruefamily@...]

Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:16 AM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: we are getting scared

Terrie and and all,

Thanks for the responses to Nora's question about her brothers. What caught my

eye in your post, Nora, was the comment that because your brothers are privately

paying for their 'beds' they are not considered 'full beds'. Does an agency get

more money from a Medicaid-funded placement than they do thru privately paying

clients? That seems weird to me, I'd have thought it would be the same amount.

I'm guessing you're confused on this too. Does anyone know the answer to this

question?

Laurie

From: Theresa Varnet

Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:08 AM

IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40>

Subject: Re: we are getting scared

Hi Nora, is correct. Your brothers' trust can be converted to a so

called 'pay back' trust and they will immediately be eligible for Medicaid. The

payback trust is a type of special needs trust that can be created with funds

that are deemed to be owned by the beneficiary. If your brothers are under a

guardianship, you will likely need permission of the probate court to make the

changes necessary to qualify them for Medicaid. The greatest benefit of a

payback trust is that it allows the beneficiary to qualify for Medicaid and

often stretches the funds so that they last the lifetime of the beneficiary

allowing him or her to live a higher quality life. You can look on my firm's

website: www.ssvlegal.com for more information on payback trusts. If you can't

access the website, call Dawn at 312 220-9112 and ask her to fax, email or mail

a copy of information about this type of trust to you. Rubin's website is

also likely to have information about this option.

Your typical attorney is not likely to know about this payback trust option.

You will want to consult with an attorney who specializes in special needs

planning and preferably one who is a member of National Academy of Elder Law

Attorneys, Academy of Special Needs Planners or Special Needs Alliance. Terrie

Varnet

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Subject: RE: we are getting scared

I am confused by your post. Your brothers can create a payback trust which

would allow them to be eligible for Medicaid. However, if they have the wrong

kind of trust they can private pay, and then be eligible for Medicaid when they

deplete their assets. My advice is to get a good attorney who knows about

disability funding. Many on this group can suggest someone good. I have a list

of attorneys who specialize in this area, if you like.

Ficker Terrill

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Subject: we are getting scared

Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

and she needs to work. As you can imagine Margaret can't even sleep now.

Any thoughts, anyone???? Nora

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We have consulted attorneys including some mentioned here. In addition to the

wrong type of trust my brothers have a court structured annuity from a law suit

and monthly royalty checks from an inheritance from our grandmother.

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> Margaret got a call from Pat and 's agency that really scared us.

> As you may recall my brothers have the wrong kind of trust and so they are

> not Medicaid eligible. They are called self pay. Margaret was told that DHS

> does not consider self pay beds full beds. Apparently this is a problem.

> Margaret has to meet the with people tomorrow to discuss options. What option

> she does not know. She asked if this means they will lose their spots.

> They guy would not say yes or no. Margaret just can't take them back and work

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Hi all:

Some really interesting postings and responses yesterday...thanks to our many

experts who contributed.

Meanwhile, I am checking out the answer to two questions:

1. Does the state differentiate between a private pay client versus someone who

is receiving state funding?

2. Can an agency legitimately charge more for a private pay client than what

they get for the same supports and services at the state rate?

I am guessing someone in this group has the answer, but I am checking with

DHS/DDD...

I will get back to the group when I get a response.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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