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If not us, than who?

As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas

Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would

go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with

child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages

appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was

to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex

(this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families

would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought

anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good

idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to

heck with those who don't like it.

Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would

be a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there

aren't so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as

preparing for the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about.

That lady has no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be

helping and not making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to

do. Perhaps there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a

better world.

Marie

>

> I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our

family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies

that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations

of total acceptance.

> There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one

day at a time, step by step...

> I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give

us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts.

> Ellen

> Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> egskb@...

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Just came back from Disney World. We took my son Mitch (30 this month, with

Autism... with significant behavior issues and on the " lower end " of the

spectrum). While it was tough on plane, both ways, with all of our planning, and

all of the " stuff " he likes that we brought, he had a great time at times, in

between melt downs, his swearing at people and occasionally hitting people

passing by. Most people were very kind, supportive, and understanding. However,

there were two women we encountered that were beyond cruel, mean... had no

clue... One was at a restaurant at the Grand Floridian. I was bringing him back

to our table after a trip to the washroom. The women told him to shut up when he

was speaking very loud. We explained that he had ASD, and she told us then we

shouldn't take him to a nice restaurant so that he wouldn't " ruin it " for

others. I responded that but for the grace of G-d, it could be her child or

sibling. She then lectured me that there was no excuse and we shouldn't take him

in public unless he could act appropriately. Mitch was shaken... and so was I.

The second was at the United Air Lines Red Carpet Lounge in Orlando. At OHARE we

had no issues, but in Orlando, at the front desk to clerk told Mitch to move

away. Mitch wanted to stand by me. I explained. She said she didn't care. Mitch

banged on the counter. She advised us that if we couldn't control him, we would

have to leave. I explained again that he has Autism. She said that SHE had the

authority to have removed anybody for inappropriate behavior, and that it didn't

matter to her that he has Autism. I took her name and will follow up with

United. On the other hand, the gate attendant when we were leaving was super. It

turned out that she has a brother with Autism in CILA.

Rubin

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From: teteme55 [mailto:teteme@...]

Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 02:09 PM

IPADDUnite <IPADDUnite >

Subject: Re: Wishes for a better world...

If not us, than who?

As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas

Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would

go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with

child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages

appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was

to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex

(this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families

would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought

anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good

idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to

heck with those who don't like it.

Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would be

a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't

so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for

the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady has

no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not

making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps

there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better world.

Marie

>

> I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our

family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies

that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations

of total acceptance.

> There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one

day at a time, step by step...

> I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give

us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts.

> Ellen

> Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> egskb@...

>

>

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I give you credit for taking your son to Disney World.  My son also has

autism and I don't think we could make it out of the airport with him.  People

just don't get it.  When people in you own family question things, how can we

as

parents expect other to understand. 

To all..... here is wishing everyone a happy and healthy New Year! 

I'm happy....my son went back to school today!

Liz

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From: N Rubin <brian@...>

" IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite >

Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:08:27 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Wishes for a better world...

 

Just came back from Disney World. We took my son Mitch (30 this month, with

Autism... with significant behavior issues and on the " lower end " of the

spectrum). While it was tough on plane, both ways, with all of our planning, and

all of the " stuff " he likes that we brought, he had a great time at times, in

between melt downs, his swearing at people and occasionally hitting people

passing by. Most people were very kind, supportive, and understanding. However,

there were two women we encountered that were beyond cruel, mean... had no

clue... One was at a restaurant at the Grand Floridian. I was bringing him back

to our table after a trip to the washroom. The women told him to shut up when he

was speaking very loud. We explained that he had ASD, and she told us then we

shouldn't take him to a nice restaurant so that he wouldn't " ruin it " for

others. I responded that but for the grace of G-d, it could be her child or

sibling. She then lectured me that there was no excuse and we shouldn't take him

in public unless he could act appropriately. Mitch was shaken... and so was I.

The second was at the United Air Lines Red Carpet Lounge in Orlando. At OHARE we

had no issues, but in Orlando, at the front desk to clerk told Mitch to move

away. Mitch wanted to stand by me. I explained. She said she didn't care. Mitch

banged on the counter. She advised us that if we couldn't control him, we would

have to leave. I explained again that he has Autism. She said that SHE had the

authority to have removed anybody for inappropriate behavior, and that it didn't

matter to her that he has Autism. I took her name and will follow up with

United. On the other hand, the gate attendant when we were leaving was super. It

turned out that she has a brother with Autism in CILA.

Rubin

The Law Offices of

Rubin & Associates

Law practice limited to

" future " & legal planning for Illinois families of children & adults with

intellectual or developmental disabilities, & /or mental illness...

(E) brian@...

(W) www.SNFP.net

(O) 847-279-7999

(F) 847-279-0090

(TF) 866-TO-RUBIN

Member by invitation of SNA, Special Needs Alliance

(www.specialneedsalliance.org association of experienced " Special Needs

Planning " Attorneys (member of the SNA Board of Directors), as well as a member

of NAELA, the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys (www.NAELA.org), and

serves on NAELA's Special Needs Law Section Steering Committee.

Rubin has been awarded the dale Hubbell Peer Review Rating of AV

Preeminent (www.martindale.com).

PLEASE NOTE:

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The information contained in this transmission is privileged, confidential, and

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not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,

copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents

of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission

in error, please notify Rubin by email, delete the message, and destroy

and/or delete the original message and all copies. This message is not intended

or written to be used, and may not be used, for the purpose of avoiding any

penalties which may be imposed by the I.R.S.

From: teteme55 [mailto:teteme@...]

Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 02:09 PM

IPADDUnite <IPADDUnite >

Subject: Re: Wishes for a better world...

If not us, than who?

As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas

Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would

go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with

child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages

appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was

to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex

(this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families

would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought

anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good

idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to

heck with those who don't like it.

Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would be

a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't

so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for

the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady has

no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not

making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps

there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better world.

Marie

>

> I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our

>family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies

>that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with

expectations

>of total acceptance.

> There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one

>day at a time, step by step...

> I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give

>us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts.

> Ellen

> Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> egskb@...

>

>

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I also took my son (16 year old Autistic young man) to Disneyland over

Christmas. We had a wonderful time this year.

There were definatly some unapproving looks and irritated travelers but all in

all the trip went well. On packed Southwest Airplane,

There were 6 handicapped adults who required wheel chair assistance and I was

glad to see another Autistic Adult on the plane. The world is changing.

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>

> If not us, than who?

>

> As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas

> Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would

> go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with

> child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages

> appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs

was

> to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the

Narthex

> (this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families

> would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought

> anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a

good

> idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to

> heck with those who don't like it.

>

> Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would

be

> a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't

> so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for

> the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady

has

> no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not

> making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps

> there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better

world.

>

> Marie

>

>

> >

> > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our

> >family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies

> >that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with

expectations

> >of total acceptance.

> > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one

> >day at a time, step by step...

> > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and

give

> >us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our

efforts.

> > Ellen

> > Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> > egskb@...

> >

> >

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, I have read many articles on air travel with individuals with autism,

where the staff were clueless. Because of that, our last vacation, we took the

train, first to Pittsburgh, then the burg PA. Our daughter, Angel LOVED

the train.

My husband is an 'expert' when it comes to dealing with rude people like those

witches. If diplomacy and an attempt to educate them doesn't work, then he

insults and embarrasss the rude people until they literally run away from him.

Other people around him actually applaud when he's done. Sometimes, I literally

'rehearse' responses to these types of individuals.

> >

> > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our

family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies

that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations

of total acceptance.

> > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one

day at a time, step by step...

> > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and

give us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our

efforts.

> > Ellen

> > Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> > egskb@

> >

> >

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