Guest guest Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 If not us, than who? As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex (this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to heck with those who don't like it. Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would be a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady has no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better world. Marie > > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations of total acceptance. > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one day at a time, step by step... > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts. > Ellen > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > egskb@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Just came back from Disney World. We took my son Mitch (30 this month, with Autism... with significant behavior issues and on the " lower end " of the spectrum). While it was tough on plane, both ways, with all of our planning, and all of the " stuff " he likes that we brought, he had a great time at times, in between melt downs, his swearing at people and occasionally hitting people passing by. Most people were very kind, supportive, and understanding. However, there were two women we encountered that were beyond cruel, mean... had no clue... One was at a restaurant at the Grand Floridian. I was bringing him back to our table after a trip to the washroom. The women told him to shut up when he was speaking very loud. We explained that he had ASD, and she told us then we shouldn't take him to a nice restaurant so that he wouldn't " ruin it " for others. I responded that but for the grace of G-d, it could be her child or sibling. She then lectured me that there was no excuse and we shouldn't take him in public unless he could act appropriately. Mitch was shaken... and so was I. The second was at the United Air Lines Red Carpet Lounge in Orlando. At OHARE we had no issues, but in Orlando, at the front desk to clerk told Mitch to move away. Mitch wanted to stand by me. I explained. She said she didn't care. Mitch banged on the counter. She advised us that if we couldn't control him, we would have to leave. I explained again that he has Autism. She said that SHE had the authority to have removed anybody for inappropriate behavior, and that it didn't matter to her that he has Autism. I took her name and will follow up with United. On the other hand, the gate attendant when we were leaving was super. It turned out that she has a brother with Autism in CILA. Rubin The Law Offices of Rubin & Associates Law practice limited to " future " & legal planning for Illinois families of children & adults with intellectual or developmental disabilities, & /or mental illness... (E) brian@... (W) www.SNFP.net (O) 847-279-7999 (F) 847-279-0090 (TF) 866-TO-RUBIN Member by invitation of SNA, Special Needs Alliance (www.specialneedsalliance.org association of experienced " Special Needs Planning " Attorneys (member of the SNA Board of Directors), as well as a member of NAELA, the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys (www.NAELA.org), and serves on NAELA's Special Needs Law Section Steering Committee. Rubin has been awarded the dale Hubbell Peer Review Rating of AV Preeminent (www.martindale.com). PLEASE NOTE: Rubin is not in his office. This message was sent from his Blackberry. The information contained in this transmission is privileged, confidential, and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify Rubin by email, delete the message, and destroy and/or delete the original message and all copies. This message is not intended or written to be used, and may not be used, for the purpose of avoiding any penalties which may be imposed by the I.R.S. From: teteme55 [mailto:teteme@...] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 02:09 PM IPADDUnite <IPADDUnite > Subject: Re: Wishes for a better world... If not us, than who? As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex (this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to heck with those who don't like it. Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would be a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady has no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better world. Marie > > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations of total acceptance. > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one day at a time, step by step... > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts. > Ellen > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > egskb@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I give you credit for taking your son to Disney World. My son also has autism and I don't think we could make it out of the airport with him. People just don't get it. When people in you own family question things, how can we as parents expect other to understand. To all..... here is wishing everyone a happy and healthy New Year! I'm happy....my son went back to school today! Liz ________________________________ From: N Rubin <brian@...> " IPADDUnite " <IPADDUnite > Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:08:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: Wishes for a better world...  Just came back from Disney World. We took my son Mitch (30 this month, with Autism... with significant behavior issues and on the " lower end " of the spectrum). While it was tough on plane, both ways, with all of our planning, and all of the " stuff " he likes that we brought, he had a great time at times, in between melt downs, his swearing at people and occasionally hitting people passing by. Most people were very kind, supportive, and understanding. However, there were two women we encountered that were beyond cruel, mean... had no clue... One was at a restaurant at the Grand Floridian. I was bringing him back to our table after a trip to the washroom. The women told him to shut up when he was speaking very loud. We explained that he had ASD, and she told us then we shouldn't take him to a nice restaurant so that he wouldn't " ruin it " for others. I responded that but for the grace of G-d, it could be her child or sibling. She then lectured me that there was no excuse and we shouldn't take him in public unless he could act appropriately. Mitch was shaken... and so was I. The second was at the United Air Lines Red Carpet Lounge in Orlando. At OHARE we had no issues, but in Orlando, at the front desk to clerk told Mitch to move away. Mitch wanted to stand by me. I explained. She said she didn't care. Mitch banged on the counter. She advised us that if we couldn't control him, we would have to leave. I explained again that he has Autism. She said that SHE had the authority to have removed anybody for inappropriate behavior, and that it didn't matter to her that he has Autism. I took her name and will follow up with United. On the other hand, the gate attendant when we were leaving was super. It turned out that she has a brother with Autism in CILA. Rubin The Law Offices of Rubin & Associates Law practice limited to " future " & legal planning for Illinois families of children & adults with intellectual or developmental disabilities, & /or mental illness... (E) brian@... (W) www.SNFP.net (O) 847-279-7999 (F) 847-279-0090 (TF) 866-TO-RUBIN Member by invitation of SNA, Special Needs Alliance (www.specialneedsalliance.org association of experienced " Special Needs Planning " Attorneys (member of the SNA Board of Directors), as well as a member of NAELA, the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys (www.NAELA.org), and serves on NAELA's Special Needs Law Section Steering Committee. Rubin has been awarded the dale Hubbell Peer Review Rating of AV Preeminent (www.martindale.com). PLEASE NOTE: Rubin is not in his office. This message was sent from his Blackberry. The information contained in this transmission is privileged, confidential, and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify Rubin by email, delete the message, and destroy and/or delete the original message and all copies. This message is not intended or written to be used, and may not be used, for the purpose of avoiding any penalties which may be imposed by the I.R.S. From: teteme55 [mailto:teteme@...] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 02:09 PM IPADDUnite <IPADDUnite > Subject: Re: Wishes for a better world... If not us, than who? As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex (this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to heck with those who don't like it. Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would be a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady has no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better world. Marie > > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our >family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies >that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations >of total acceptance. > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one >day at a time, step by step... > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give >us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts. > Ellen > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > egskb@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I also took my son (16 year old Autistic young man) to Disneyland over Christmas. We had a wonderful time this year. There were definatly some unapproving looks and irritated travelers but all in all the trip went well. On packed Southwest Airplane, There were 6 handicapped adults who required wheel chair assistance and I was glad to see another Autistic Adult on the plane. The world is changing. ----- Re: Wishes for a better world... > > If not us, than who? > > As I was reading a few of the comments about the older woman at the Christmas > Eve service, I was thinking about the lengths the congregations I served would > go to to include younger children. One congregation had small book bags with > child friendly Bibles (mostly, they were illustrated), crayons, coloring pages > appropriate to that days scripture (one of the Christian Ed Director's jobs was > to keep those book bags current)and they were hung on a coat tree in the Narthex > (this is the area that is like a foyer in a church building). Many families > would grab one or two bags as they went into the sanctuary. No one thought > anything of it--keeping the little ones busy and quiet during worship was a good > idea. I applaud those who try to do the same for their adult children--and to > heck with those who don't like it. > > Those comments cut us to the quick because we aren't expecting them. It would be > a better world if there were prepared book bags for our kids, but there aren't > so we must do it ourselves. I liken going places with as preparing for > the Invasion of Normandy--all contingencies must be thought about. That lady has > no idea what lengths must be gone to--if she did, she would be helping and not > making snarky comments. We can't be quiet about what we have to do. Perhaps > there would be more understanding and compassion and it would be a better world. > > Marie > > > > > > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our > >family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies > >that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations > >of total acceptance. > > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one > >day at a time, step by step... > > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give > >us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts. > > Ellen > > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > > egskb@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 , I have read many articles on air travel with individuals with autism, where the staff were clueless. Because of that, our last vacation, we took the train, first to Pittsburgh, then the burg PA. Our daughter, Angel LOVED the train. My husband is an 'expert' when it comes to dealing with rude people like those witches. If diplomacy and an attempt to educate them doesn't work, then he insults and embarrasss the rude people until they literally run away from him. Other people around him actually applaud when he's done. Sometimes, I literally 'rehearse' responses to these types of individuals. > > > > I sure hope that 2011 brings increasing tolerance and understanding for our family members with disabilities. It does seem like the bitterest of ironies that we cannot bring our loved ones into a faith based setting with expectations of total acceptance. > > There is so much work to be done, but together we can accomplish a lot...one day at a time, step by step... > > I hope our shared journey will help to inform and empower each of us, and give us the strength to carry on. Our beloved family members are worth our efforts. > > Ellen > > Ellen Garber Bronfeld > > egskb@ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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