Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Hi , My older son (born in 1982) had all but the last DPT. But my younger son (born in 1986) had only the first two and then no more vaccines at all (except tetanus, which I now have reservations about as well) and went to a Montessori preschool for a few hours a week when he was around 2, and then every day at 3. I nursed him, however, until he was six, knowing that that was his best protection. (Didn't give him the Hib because of that.) He was the healthiest kid at the school, and always got better faster than any of the others when he did get sick. The same was true of my older son as well, also, I assume at least partly because of the nursing. (And even though he'd been vax'd. However, they didn't get nearly the number of vaccines when my sons were small - " only " the DPT, MMR, OPV and Hib - and my older son didn't get all of them either, although he got more than my younger one, as I said.) I believe it is possible that nursing also protected them from having worse reactions from the vaccines, as well. Although I wouldn't count on that. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm http://www.whale.to http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com http://www.thinktwice.com http://home.san.rr.com/via/ http://www.vaccine-info.com http://www.vaccine-info.com http://healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/ ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. disease vs vax... This is exactly what I did last nite till 11pm! I read lots of info, even the cfc website and looked at the incidences of disease. It looks like the cdc website really downplays the side effects of the vax. It is amazing just how much I have leanred in the last few days from a little reading. At first, my hubby was saying " he doesnt want her to catch a disease " But after I found all this info for him, we realize just because you catch the diease, doesnt mean it is fatal. Looks like most of them are mildly annoying. The only one that scares me is whooping cough. It sounds the worse. But the vax sounds the worse too... Right now I have a 8mo old and a 4 yo. Neither go to school or day care. I am also wondering about when I have a new baby, and have kids in school who may bring home something to a small baby. Are there non vaxers out there who send your kid to public school? I may homeschool, just havent decided yet..... And after reading I really dont want to get my 4 yo his boosters. How does this work for school admission, since he is partialy vax'd? Thanks everyone for al the great replys! Angie Re: My intro and some thoughts > In my opinion and what influenced me, was " what are the chances of my child DYING from a disease vs the chances of irreparable harm from a vaccine? " For me, it wasn't just that my child could die from the disease or the vaxes, it was the chance that they would severely harmed from either. That is what I tried to compare. I checked the CDC disease rolodex, for cases of diseases routinely vaxed for, and compared those numbers to the numbers on the vax inserts for the severe reactions, not just death. It was very one sided to me. For instance, the year I looked at, there were 18 cases of measles that year. 18 CASES In the whole freakin US. There was much more of a chance of my children getting a severe reaction(losing thier hearing, sight, becoming autistic, paralysis, nerve damage, allergies, all kinds of things)than them getting the disease which is not usually fatal unless you have a compromised immune system anyway. But that is what really decided things for me. Then Ihad to convince my husband. That was a whole nother battle.LOL Nisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Right now I have a 8mo old and a 4 yo. Neither go to school or day care. I am also wondering about when I have a new baby, and have kids in school who may bring home something to a small baby. Are there non vaxers out there who send your kid to public school? I may home school, just haven't decided yet..... my 4 year old is fully vaxed because I didn't know any of what I know now when she was born. She goes to public school, and will NOT have her boosters. My baby was fully vaxed at 2 months which is what prompted my research. I couldn't stand to hear her cry like that. She only had the HIb at 4 months and None at all at 6 months and won't be vaxed anymore either. And after reading I really dont want to get my 4 yo his boosters. How does this work for school admission, since he is partialy vax'd? Thanks everyone for al the great replys! Angie Every State is different.Some states have religious,medical and Philosophical exemptions.Others have Just the medical and religious. Here in Wisconsin, we have all 3 of the exemptions so when I go register is for school,they will ask for her booster record. When I say she didn't get any, they will send me to the health office to get it done. I will say,We are CHOOSING NOT to vax anymore due to philosophical reasons,I Need an EXEMPTION form. They will give it too me. Also,here they can chose to tell me to keep is home in the event of an outbreak of any of the diseases for up to 2 weeks. BUT,I wouldn't have her in school even if she was vaxed so it doesn't matter HTH Chandi Chandi Haling Mama to is (12-01-97) and Peyton (04-01-02) Saving the World, One Breastfed Baby at a time!!!! disease vs vax... This is exactly what I did last nite till 11pm! I read lots of info, even the cfc website and looked at the incidences of disease. It looks like the cdc website really downplays the side effects of the vax. It is amazing just how much I have leanred in the last few days from a little reading. At first, my hubby was saying " he doesnt want her to catch a disease " But after I found all this info for him, we realize just because you catch the diease, doesnt mean it is fatal. Looks like most of them are mildly annoying. The only one that scares me is whooping cough. It sounds the worse. But the vax sounds the worse too... Right now I have a 8mo old and a 4 yo. Neither go to school or day care. I am also wondering about when I have a new baby, and have kids in school who may bring home something to a small baby. Are there non vaxers out there who send your kid to public school? I may homeschool, just havent decided yet..... And after reading I really dont want to get my 4 yo his boosters. How does this work for school admission, since he is partialy vax'd? Thanks everyone for al the great replys! Angie Re: My intro and some thoughts > In my opinion and what influenced me, was " what are the chances of my child DYING from a disease vs the chances of irreparable harm from a vaccine? " For me, it wasn't just that my child could die from the disease or the vaxes, it was the chance that they would severely harmed from either. That is what I tried to compare. I checked the CDC disease rolodex, for cases of diseases routinely vaxed for, and compared those numbers to the numbers on the vax inserts for the severe reactions, not just death. It was very one sided to me. For instance, the year I looked at, there were 18 cases of measles that year. 18 CASES In the whole freakin US. There was much more of a chance of my children getting a severe reaction(losing thier hearing, sight, becoming autistic, paralysis, nerve damage, allergies, all kinds of things)than them getting the disease which is not usually fatal unless you have a compromised immune system anyway. But that is what really decided things for me. Then Ihad to convince my husband. That was a whole nother battle.LOL Nisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I agree, that breastfeeding has a huge impact on a childs health! I am nursing my 8 mnth old and she just had her first cold last week. My 4 yo nursed till he was about 3 1/2, then weaned on his own. he was hardly ever sick. A couple colds was it. And one case of pretty bad croup, but we managed it at home okay. The next day the when I put a call into the doc, she said it sounded so bad he should have been in the hospital, but we did okay. RE: disease vs vax... Hi , My older son (born in 1982) had all but the last DPT. But my younger son (born in 1986) had only the first two and then no more vaccines at all (except tetanus, which I now have reservations about as well) and went to a Montessori preschool for a few hours a week when he was around 2, and then every day at 3. I nursed him, however, until he was six, knowing that that was his best protection. (Didn't give him the Hib because of that.) He was the healthiest kid at the school, and always got better faster than any of the others when he did get sick. The same was true of my older son as well, also, I assume at least partly because of the nursing. (And even though he'd been vax'd. However, they didn't get nearly the number of vaccines when my sons were small - " only " the DPT, MMR, OPV and Hib - and my older son didn't get all of them either, although he got more than my younger one, as I said.) I believe it is possible that nursing also protected them from having worse reactions from the vaccines, as well. Although I wouldn't count on that. Sandy from Alaska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I am pretty sure my daughter had whooping cough. She had a horrible bark like cough that just refused to go away and was much worse at night. It lasted for weeks. We used homeopathy and sage and peppermint tea(we waited at least a half hour after the tea to do the homeopathic meds)I had it too, after a while, so did my son(who actually had that vax thanks, it didn't work) I'm pretty sure we had it, we live in Texas, and it's evidently been on the rise in our area, so it's not out of the question for us to have gotten it. But other than a little lost sleep at night, and some annoying coughing and having to run the shower for a while before we went to bed at night so there was some humidity in the air, it wasn't that bad. It *can* be, but Siara's never got to a point to where I was afraid for her. I would've taken her to the doc if she had gotten to that point, but until then, I really didn't see the point, since I wasn't interested in vaxing her, and they would've really tried to scareme into it. Nisha The only one that scares me is whooping cough. It sounds the worse. But the vax sounds the worse too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I have sent my almost 6 year old to daycare and then public school since age 8 weeks. She's gotten maybe a mild case of chicken pox (we weren't sure) a few viruses with rashes (rubella--who knows--it was too mild) and hand foot mouth disease (so mild we didn't notice until a few blisters here and there). My homeopath and others I met said whooping cough was not bad at all when using the correct remedies. So arm yourself with a good herbalists and homeopaths and relax (well try to)! Eat well and support the immune system and illnesses don't seem so scarey any more. Especially when you know you have good health care professionals to help you. It's worth the money. L. Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00 Talk with other hip mom's about attachment parenting at milwaukeeAPmoms-subscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 .. Here in Wisconsin, we have all 3 of the exemptions so when I go register is for school,they will ask for her booster record. When I say she didn't get any, they will send me to the health office to get it done. I will say,We are CHOOSING NOT to vax anymore due to philosophical reasons,I Need an EXEMPTION form. They will give it too me. Also,here they can chose to tell me to keep is home in the event of an outbreak of any of the diseases for up to 2 weeks. BUT,I wouldn't have her in school even if she was vaxed so it doesn't matter Why even tell them you had her vaxed at all? Just check the box on the vaccine form that says philosophical exemption and be done with it. It's none of their business that you had any or if people selectively vaccinate. I could see people challenging people who are selective or have changed their minds so why not just say nothing??? L. Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00 Talk with other hip mom's about attachment parenting at milwaukeeAPmoms-subscribe HTH Chandi Chandi Haling Mama to is (12-01-97) and Peyton (04-01-02) Saving the World, One Breastfed Baby at a time!!!! disease vs vax... This is exactly what I did last nite till 11pm! I read lots of info, even the cfc website and looked at the incidences of disease. It looks like the cdc website really downplays the side effects of the vax. It is amazing just how much I have leanred in the last few days from a little reading. At first, my hubby was saying " he doesnt want her to catch a disease " But after I found all this info for him, we realize just because you catch the diease, doesnt mean it is fatal. Looks like most of them are mildly annoying. The only one that scares me is whooping cough. It sounds the worse. But the vax sounds the worse too... Right now I have a 8mo old and a 4 yo. Neither go to school or day care. I am also wondering about when I have a new baby, and have kids in school who may bring home something to a small baby. Are there non vaxers out there who send your kid to public school? I may homeschool, just havent decided yet..... And after reading I really dont want to get my 4 yo his boosters. How does this work for school admission, since he is partialy vax'd? Thanks everyone for al the great replys! Angie Re: My intro and some thoughts > In my opinion and what influenced me, was " what are the chances of my child DYING from a disease vs the chances of irreparable harm from a vaccine? " For me, it wasn't just that my child could die from the disease or the vaxes, it was the chance that they would severely harmed from either. That is what I tried to compare. I checked the CDC disease rolodex, for cases of diseases routinely vaxed for, and compared those numbers to the numbers on the vax inserts for the severe reactions, not just death. It was very one sided to me. For instance, the year I looked at, there were 18 cases of measles that year. 18 CASES In the whole freakin US. There was much more of a chance of my children getting a severe reaction(losing thier hearing, sight, becoming autistic, paralysis, nerve damage, allergies, all kinds of things)than them getting the disease which is not usually fatal unless you have a compromised immune system anyway. But that is what really decided things for me. Then Ihad to convince my husband. That was a whole nother battle.LOL Nisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Jenn-I never thought of that. She is in 4K right now so they know she has been vaxed. I wonder what kind of problem I am going to get next year when her shots are " due " . I wish I had the patience and her the personality for homeschooling. I am really thinking of doing it with Peyton Chandi Haling Mama to is (12-01-97) and Peyton (04-01-02) Saving the World, One Breastfed Baby at a time!!!! disease vs vax... This is exactly what I did last nite till 11pm! I read lots of info, even the cfc website and looked at the incidences of disease. It looks like the cdc website really downplays the side effects of the vax. It is amazing just how much I have leanred in the last few days from a little reading. At first, my hubby was saying " he doesnt want her to catch a disease " But after I found all this info for him, we realize just because you catch the diease, doesnt mean it is fatal. Looks like most of them are mildly annoying. The only one that scares me is whooping cough. It sounds the worse. But the vax sounds the worse too... Right now I have a 8mo old and a 4 yo. Neither go to school or day care. I am also wondering about when I have a new baby, and have kids in school who may bring home something to a small baby. Are there non vaxers out there who send your kid to public school? I may homeschool, just havent decided yet..... And after reading I really dont want to get my 4 yo his boosters. How does this work for school admission, since he is partialy vax'd? Thanks everyone for al the great replys! Angie Re: My intro and some thoughts > In my opinion and what influenced me, was " what are the chances of my child DYING from a disease vs the chances of irreparable harm from a vaccine? " For me, it wasn't just that my child could die from the disease or the vaxes, it was the chance that they would severely harmed from either. That is what I tried to compare. I checked the CDC disease rolodex, for cases of diseases routinely vaxed for, and compared those numbers to the numbers on the vax inserts for the severe reactions, not just death. It was very one sided to me. For instance, the year I looked at, there were 18 cases of measles that year. 18 CASES In the whole freakin US. There was much more of a chance of my children getting a severe reaction(losing thier hearing, sight, becoming autistic, paralysis, nerve damage, allergies, all kinds of things)than them getting the disease which is not usually fatal unless you have a compromised immune system anyway. But that is what really decided things for me. Then Ihad to convince my husband. That was a whole nother battle.LOL Nisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Will she be going to the same school? Research what your state requires and only inform them of what they NEED to know, not what they WANT to know. They get extra $ (so the rumor goe) for fully-vaxxed kiddies so want it to stay that way. Plus, it's easier for all around if there are no " troublemakers " ! LOL My dd had 2 series of MMR (or just measles done behind my back when parents had temporary custody). They never gave me record and I've never gone to find out what she had (which I should so if someday she's really rebellious and decided to have this she can at least not toxify herself more than " necessary " ). As far as anyone is concerned, she's vax free and been exempted always. So you have a separate document for what's been done and all they need to know next year is the necessities for exemption. Laurie>Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Right now I have a 8mo old and a 4 yo. Neither go to school or day care. I am also wondering about when I have a new baby, and have kids in school who may bring home something to a small baby. Are there non vaxers out there who send your kid to public school? I have an 11-mos-old daughter and an 8-year-old stepson. My stepson is fully vaxed and was never breast-fed a day in his life. He is sick every other week along with bad allergies and is just generally an unhealthy kid. He easily picks up anything going around school. He is over at our house 4 days out of the week. My daughter has never gotten sick from him. He hugs her and kisses her and I have never been too worried. My husband gets sick from him quite often, but I don't. I also eat healthy unlike my husband and stepson. It just goes to show that the illnesses can be around but that doesn't mean you will get them. If your baby is not vaxed and breast-fed, then that is the best protection you can give her. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 > i usually lurk on this list.... I'm Jacqui, mom to 8y and 4 > 1/2y - neither of whom are vaxed. > > i just wanted to say that this description sounds more like croup to me than > whooping cough. everyone has told me that with whooping cough there is a > definite " whoop " at the end of the cough..... > > and that a croup cough is like a bark. > > ~~ Jacqui I've been around croupy babies before, this sounded like a seal. It was different than any sound I've ever heard a human make before.I'm not saying it wasn't croup, it could've been, but it didn't sound like I had heard before. I was talking to a friend on the phone who heard her, and she was the one who suggested it *Might* be whooping cough, espeically with the cases of it here recently. nisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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