Guest guest Posted June 29, 2002 Report Share Posted June 29, 2002 hi all, suzy and i attended tim o'shea's seminar today, titled 'the sanctity of human blood: vaccination i$ not immunization'. the seminar is great for anyone who has some doubts about vaccinations, but isn't entirely sure about the whole thing. his entire talk revolves around his book with the same title, the 5th edition was published about 2 months ago (ISBN: 1-929487-03-7), he gave a few websites (whale.to, vaccinationnews) and a couple of emails (sandy, raymond gallup). what didn't impress me was that whenever i wanted to ask a question, he told me 'not now' (while he let other's ask as soon as they raised their hands) *growl*. although he dedicated quite a bit of time on the issue of mercury, he didn't even mention 2-PE as a replacement for mercury at all. then he mentioned chelation, but didn't go into any detail and simply concluded it doesn't work and autism can't be reversed. i found that somewhat disappointing, too, to say the least. if you know anyone who's only just starting getting into the vaccination debate, it's definitely worth recommending. but if you've spent the past few months or even years reading medical studies, don't waste your time or money. what was great, though, was the fact that there were some 15 or so people in one room, and every single one of them opposed to vaccines, after 7 hours i almost felt like being part of a big family! lol. claudia ===== http://www.iven.org.uk deutschsprachige impfkritikliste: impfkritik_deutsch/ One-quarter of what you eat keeps you alive. The other three-quarters keeps your doctor alive. (Hieroglyph found in an ancient Egyptian tomb.) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2002 Report Share Posted June 29, 2002 Awe shucks , I thought we would get something on 2-PE. It sounds like you could have added some of your knowledge. > hi all, > suzy and i attended tim o'shea's seminar today, titled > 'the sanctity of human blood: vaccination i$ not > immunization'. > the seminar is great for anyone who has some doubts > about vaccinations, but isn't entirely sure about the > whole thing. his entire talk revolves around his book > with the same title, the 5th edition was published > about 2 months ago (ISBN: 1-929487-03-7), he gave a > few websites (whale.to, vaccinationnews) and a couple > of emails (sandy, raymond gallup). > what didn't impress me was that whenever i wanted to > ask a question, he told me 'not now' (while he let > other's ask as soon as they raised their hands) > *growl*. although he dedicated quite a bit of time on > the issue of mercury, he didn't even mention 2-PE as a > replacement for mercury at all. then he mentioned > chelation, but didn't go into any detail and simply > concluded it doesn't work and autism can't be > reversed. i found that somewhat disappointing, too, to > say the least. > if you know anyone who's only just starting getting > into the vaccination debate, it's definitely worth > recommending. but if you've spent the past few months > or even years reading medical studies, don't waste > your time or money. what was great, though, was the > fact that there were some 15 or so people in one room, > and every single one of them opposed to vaccines, > after 7 hours i almost felt like being part of a big > family! lol. > claudia > > > > > > ===== > http://www.iven.org.uk > deutschsprachige impfkritikliste: impfkritik_deutsch/ > > One-quarter of what you eat keeps you alive. > The other three-quarters keeps your doctor alive. > (Hieroglyph found in an ancient Egyptian tomb.) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 > -----Original Message----- > From: suzanneazar@... [mailto:suzanneazar@...] > The best part of the seminar for me was in the beginning > where Dr O'Shea > explained the history of spin and propaganda, its roots in > psychology and its > use in Nazi Germany. Does Tim cover this in his book? Can someone tell me, is his book generally worth getting? What is everyone's most favorite book/work on the subject (of vaccinations)? (If you have more than one favorite, can you rank them for me?) Thanks, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 > Does Tim cover this in his book? he does, to an extent. not as detailed as in the seminar, but he does. > Can someone tell me, is his book generally worth > getting? it really depends where you are, in terms of your research! he didn't tell me anything new and avoided my questions, but then i've been researching vaccines for nearly 5 years. so, if you're at the beginning of researching, definitely get his book! it's worth it, because his references are 'good' (ie who, cdc etc). > What is everyone's most favorite book/work on the > subject (of > vaccinations)? (If you have more than one favorite, > can you rank them > for me?) must be 'fatal' by michael palmer, lol. everything in that book that's written about vaccines is the truth. apart from that i'd recommend to anyone to go thru their charity shops and buy any pre 1950's book on family medicine, that'll give you a very good idea about the diseases. and then, viera scheibner's book '100 years of vaccination.......' is an absolute must. but you have to be scientifically minded for that one... hth claudia __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 I haven't read it, so I can't be sure, but my guess is that this piece by Tim covers his perspective on the propaganda issue: http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/august2001/doorsofperception.ht m Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.whale.to http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com http://www.thinktwice.com http://home.san.rr.com/via/ http://www.mercola.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: RE: Tim O'shea seminar > Does Tim cover this in his book? he does, to an extent. not as detailed as in the seminar, but he does. > Can someone tell me, is his book generally worth > getting? it really depends where you are, in terms of your research! he didn't tell me anything new and avoided my questions, but then i've been researching vaccines for nearly 5 years. so, if you're at the beginning of researching, definitely get his book! it's worth it, because his references are 'good' (ie who, cdc etc). > What is everyone's most favorite book/work on the > subject (of > vaccinations)? (If you have more than one favorite, > can you rank them > for me?) must be 'fatal' by michael palmer, lol. everything in that book that's written about vaccines is the truth. apart from that i'd recommend to anyone to go thru their charity shops and buy any pre 1950's book on family medicine, that'll give you a very good idea about the diseases. and then, viera scheibner's book '100 years of vaccination.......' is an absolute must. but you have to be scientifically minded for that one... hth claudia __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 > Re: RE: Tim O'shea seminar > > must be 'fatal' by michael palmer, lol. everything in > that book that's written about vaccines is the truth. I've seen that book mentioned here. Isn't that a fiction work? > apart from that i'd recommend to anyone to go thru > their charity shops and buy any pre 1950's book on > family medicine, that'll give you a very good idea > about the diseases. and then, viera scheibner's book > '100 years of vaccination.......' is an absolute must. > but you have to be scientifically minded for that > one... > hth > claudia Thanks for your input! Bob P.S. Thanks for your response too, Sandy. P.P.S. Have either of you read " The Poisoned Needle " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 > > must be 'fatal' by michael palmer, lol. everything in > > that book that's written about vaccines is the truth. > > I've seen that book mentioned here. Isn't that a fiction work? yes it falls under that category. but what he writes about vaccinations (or chemicals) is true. that's why this book has caused such an uproar amongst vaccination opponents. it's fiction and yet what's written in it about vaccines is sooooooooo true, including the way vaccines are 'sanctioned'... claudia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 > > > must be 'fatal' by michael palmer, lol. everything in > > > that book that's written about vaccines is the truth. > > > > I've seen that book mentioned here. Isn't that a fiction work? replied: > > yes it falls under that category. but what he writes about > vaccinations (or chemicals) is true. that's why this book has caused > such an uproar amongst vaccination opponents. it's fiction and yet > what's written in it about vaccines is sooooooooo true, including the > way vaccines are 'sanctioned'... And Palmer is a doctor, despite also being a thriller writer. But I have to say that I was disappointed in Fatal. The vaccine information seemed generally accurate to my limited knowledge, but the plot seemed to fade in the last couple of chapters. Not my favourite of his by a long stretch. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 has scanned the whole book onto his website http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html >Bob > > >P.P.S. Have either of you read " The Poisoned Needle " ? -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2002 Report Share Posted July 24, 2002 Upcoming Lecture One day seminar : The Sanctity of Human Blood Dr Tim O'Shea, Author of The Sanctity of Human Blood San , CA 27 Jul 2002 8 a.m. Saturday Airport Inn International 1344 N 4th St. 408 453 5340 directions: From 880/101 intersection, go south on 88O. First exit is First St. Get off. Turn right at light. Turn right again at first light and go to 4th St. Turn left. You're there. This multimedia presentation will focus on: - history of vaccines - ingredients of vaccines - how vaccines are made - current laws regarding vaccines - The Germ Theory of Disease - mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde - role of the FDA - natural vs. artificial immunity - scientific proof of efficacy - hematology review - blood detox - Gulf War Syndrome - the chiropractic position on vaccines - exemption forms / exemption laws - the real causes of disease - comparison with Europe's required list - bioterrorism and vaccine sales - difference between vaccination and immunization - the human genome - why there are 40 mandated vaccines for US school children - Congressional hearings on autism, mercury, and anthrax, Rep. Dan Burton - The San Diego Autism Conference: the secret epidemic - new vaccines coming soon: AIDS, anthrax, smallpox - history of the anthrax / Cipro connection - the new Mandated Schedule (Jan 2002) - the new 'High Risk' category This will be a rare opportunity to see the most current research available about this important topic. Before politics or journalism enters the discussion, the decision whether to vaccinate is fundamentally a scientific one. Vaccination research is not a new subject. It has a long history that involves a number of key issues, each of which must be examined in order to understand the overall effects which vaccines bring about. In this seminar you will get all the information you need to make a truly informed decision for your child in this thoroughly referenced, clear, and entertaining back-to-school presentation. Cost: General public: $99 Spouse or student: $49 CE credit: $200 advance, $220 at the door 12 hours CE credit for California, Washington, Illinois, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon DCs and NDs Book </sanctity_blood_order.html>: $14.98 (2002 edition) Audio CD </sanctity_blood_cd_order.html> version of full day seminar now available Reservations/book orders: 408.298.1800 or by e-mail <mailto:O'Shea@... OTHER DATES: London, England 29 June 02 Stroud, England 5 July 02 San , California 27 July 02 Orange County, California 10 August 02 Portland, Oregon 24 August 02 Pismo Beach, California 7 September 02 Las Vegas, Nevada 21 September 02 Los Angeles, California 28 September 02 Grand Junction, Colorado 5 October 02 San Diego, California 12 October 02 Palm Springs, California 26 October 02 Chicago, Illinois 9 November 02 Phoenix, Arizona 16 November 02 Redding, California 23 November 02 Los Angeles, CA 7 Dec 02 Seattle, Washington 22 February 03 If you have received this message in error kindly reply by typing REMOVE in subject box. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com <http://www.vaccinationnews.com/> http://www.whale.to <http://www.whale.to/> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com <http://www.909shot.com/> http://www.redflagsweekly.com <http://www.redflagsweekly.com/> http://www.thinktwice.com <http://www.thinktwice.com/> http://home.san.rr.com/via/ ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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